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Paul Otichoda
Electric Sun Associates
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Posted - 2014.01.13 22:34:00 -
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I've finally got into an incursion fleet (no I haven't lost any ships yet) and after a few hours work at logi in HQ sites I'm feeling physically trained.
Incursion is also the point at which EVE really does become excel as I have to have so many tabs open to keep track of things.
Does anyone else get this when their playing incursions or any other large fleet based combat? And does anyone have any tips for dealing with it.
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation
Goonswarm Federation
8316
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Posted - 2014.01.13 22:35:00 -
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Poor you.
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GreenSeed
930
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Posted - 2014.01.13 22:42:00 -
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do you work at your job? i mean, actually complete time sensitive tasks with limited resources in return for monetary compensation?
if you do, then its no different than dealing with irl stress. not to mention its a game, so you can walk out of it anytime you want.
now, if you don't have a stressful job, then consider eve as a small preview of what a "real" job is like, and consider yourself lucky. |
Vira'li
Independant Praetorian Corp
7
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Posted - 2014.01.13 22:47:00 -
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GreenSeed wrote:do you work at your job? i mean, actually complete time sensitive tasks with limited resources in return for monetary compensation?
if you do, then its no different than dealing with irl stress. not to mention its a game, so you can walk out of it anytime you want.
now, if you don't have a stressful job, then consider eve as a small preview of what a "real" job is like, and consider yourself lucky.
We have a winner!  |
Carmen Electra
The Scope
Gallente Federation
207
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Posted - 2014.01.13 22:49:00 -
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Step away from computer? Go nap? |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy
The ROC
2085
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Posted - 2014.01.13 22:51:00 -
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Do what I do.
Revitalize by killing a miner.
Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
Paul Otichoda
Electric Sun Associates
192
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Posted - 2014.01.13 22:52:00 -
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Carmen Electra wrote:Step away from computer? Go nap?
well that's what I do but I don't know how any of the capital null sec players can cope in the day long slugging matches |
ElQuirko
Black Dragon Fighting Society
The Devil's Tattoo
3185
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Posted - 2014.01.13 22:58:00 -
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Vira'li wrote:GreenSeed wrote:do you work at your job? i mean, actually complete time sensitive tasks with limited resources in return for monetary compensation?
if you do, then its no different than dealing with irl stress. not to mention its a game, so you can walk out of it anytime you want.
now, if you don't have a stressful job, then consider eve as a small preview of what a "real" job is like, and consider yourself lucky. We have a winner!
No we don't, this is a legitimately terrible post and I feel sorry for its author.
Dodixie > Hek |
Carmen Electra
The Scope
Gallente Federation
207
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Posted - 2014.01.13 23:03:00 -
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Paul Otichoda wrote:Carmen Electra wrote:Step away from computer? Go nap? well that's what I do but I don't know how any of the capital null sec players can cope in the day long slugging matches
Yeah, EVE is kind of a game for people who enjoy pain. Hard to argue with that.
Usually after playing something else like Deus Ex: HR for 5 minutes I think "Why do I play that other game? Oh yeah, because I'm a masochist. And addicted."
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Tetsuo Tsukaya
Itinerant Empire
242
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Posted - 2014.01.13 23:22:00 -
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Paul Otichoda wrote:Carmen Electra wrote:Step away from computer? Go nap? well that's what I do but I don't know how any of the capital null sec players can cope in the day long slugging matches
Assign drones, alt tab battlefield 4. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation
Goonswarm Federation
8316
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Posted - 2014.01.13 23:24:00 -
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ElQuirko wrote:Vira'li wrote:GreenSeed wrote:do you work at your job? i mean, actually complete time sensitive tasks with limited resources in return for monetary compensation?
if you do, then its no different than dealing with irl stress. not to mention its a game, so you can walk out of it anytime you want.
now, if you don't have a stressful job, then consider eve as a small preview of what a "real" job is like, and consider yourself lucky. We have a winner! No we don't, this is a legitimately terrible post and I feel sorry for its author.
It's not as bad as the op.
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
901
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Posted - 2014.01.13 23:50:00 -
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Learn to fly DPS, Press F1, late BC, laugh because Logi drain themselves saving you repeatedly and quit and new logi join, and make your money. Seems to be how it goes.
Also, Null Sec slug fests are a much slower pace. TiDi for a start. And Capital Logi are slower to begin with also. So think 20 times or so slower for a Null Sec cap fleet clash. Plenty of time to grab food or take a bio between pressing buttons. |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari
End of Life
147
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Posted - 2014.01.14 00:19:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Do what I do.
Revitalize by killing a miner.
Really? z-killboard shows 28 kills and 35 losses and not a single mining ship anywhere to be seen.
Of course, there's always the 'it's on an alt' response, but I just smell a bit of BS tbh.
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Mina Sebiestar
Mactabilis Simplex Cursus
591
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Posted - 2014.01.14 01:39:00 -
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tip
would be that organized ppl do incursions more easy and without turbulence for most part.
you being present is not enough all of a team need to be.
http://i.imgur.com/1N37t.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/KTjFEt6.jpg I dont always fly stabber but when i do...
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
902
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Posted - 2014.01.14 01:42:00 -
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Mina Sebiestar wrote:tip
would be that organized ppl do incursions more easy and without turbulence for most part.
you being present is not enough all of a team need to be.
Actually, the organised groups tend to turn logi over at about the rate he said. Because Logi quite frankly is a fairly demanding job in an incursion. Especially since the DPS pilots often run for ages, get tired and get crappy with their broadcasts. Making logi's lives even harder. So Logi burn out far faster than the DPS pilots. |
Felicity Love
Whore and Peace
1447
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Posted - 2014.01.14 01:44:00 -
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... operators are standing by to share your burden and take your stuff ...
Can't have a proper Apocalypse without "The Man", Johnny Cash. -áTrue story.
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Mina Sebiestar
Mactabilis Simplex Cursus
591
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Posted - 2014.01.14 01:57:00 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:Mina Sebiestar wrote:tip
would be that organized ppl do incursions more easy and without turbulence for most part.
you being present is not enough all of a team need to be. Actually, the organised groups tend to turn logi over at about the rate he said. Because Logi quite frankly is a fairly demanding job in an incursion. Especially since the DPS pilots often run for ages, get tired and get crappy with their broadcasts. Making logi's lives even harder. So Logi burn out far faster than the DPS pilots.
I don't argue logi vs dps what i meant it that in bad fleet where slacking is allowed or not noticed you as a logi will have hard time compared to fleet where that kinda behavior is less often.
doing it right and doing it wrong simply cant yield in same result.
i don't see ppl sobbing over being logi and no one is making em go on for hours and hours and yet they are back again for more of it.
http://i.imgur.com/1N37t.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/KTjFEt6.jpg I dont always fly stabber but when i do...
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
902
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Posted - 2014.01.14 03:12:00 -
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They can end in the same result. It will just take longer in a better fleet.
He was asking about A: Do others experience it. Most certainly. & B: How to deal with it. Water & Food at your computer help. As does the FC calling 5 min breaks every so often. But at the end of the day, you have to break when you need it. |
Metamonic
Bubbles Bubbles Bubbles
17
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Posted - 2014.01.14 08:12:00 -
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Came to hear what logi in incurions is really like as I am training for it with a sense of seriousness that comes with preparing for server first kills on new raid content in WoW.
If anyone can compare, I would love to hear what it is like to play as logi in a 2/10 in Vanguard or in a logi-group stretched thin doing Assault/HQ in the eyes of someone who played a healer in WoW doing the harder content (10 man Hard Modes). I would like to know:
- How much do you need to prepare before each session?
- Is it acceptable to lose people?
- Is it normal to die yourself often?
- How much effort goes into positioning?
- How essential is reaction time?
- Is damage anticipation important or can you rely on broadcasts alone?
- What kind of alertness and awareness is needed? |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
903
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Posted - 2014.01.14 08:51:00 -
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Talking about HQ's
Preparing is minimal. Nanite paste, correct scripts, correct fits. But only one of those gets consumed.
Loosing people isn't normal, but if someone is an idiot it happens. Very rare to loose someone who didn't screw up.
Mom sites you can loose Logi to certain waves. TCRC's with high influence very rarely also can get a logi alpha'ed.
Positioning is relatively easy the way most fleets do it.
Reaction time is critical, since DPS often only broadcast when they start getting shot. So every second counts
Damage Awareness is important, you have to use visuals as well as BC's as again, people are often late.
Alertness & Awareness for logi again critical.
Saying that. If someone does BC late or doesn't BC, you won't get yelled at too much if they explode as long as you were paying attention and locked everyone who did BC. |
Mike Azariah
DemSal Corporation
DemSal Unlimited
778
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Posted - 2014.01.14 08:56:00 -
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Metamonic wrote:
- How much do you need to prepare before each session?
- Is it acceptable to lose people?
- Is it normal to die yourself often?
- How much effort goes into positioning?
- How essential is reaction time?
- Is damage anticipation important or can you rely on broadcasts alone?
- What kind of alertness and awareness is needed?
Prepare, just make sure comms are working and mic is live, have a drink handy and make damn sure that family is unlikely to 'need' me
I hate losing people. It happens but a lot less than you might think. Acceptable? The fleet I fly with has an SRP for a reason. You can donate to it and be insured till next down time, simple enough. They also automatically SRP logis (conditions apply)
In a mom site a logi can pop even if everything is done right. Alpha can be that bad.
Again, with the folks I fly with there are assigned anchors, you put them on the watch list and orbit at 5k or whatever the fc says. Simple enough. For the sites with gates you are expected to be able to keep up and be where you need to be.
For logis, targetting and reaction time IS important. you daydream, somebody dies. As others have said. Logis have the most effect on the chances of survival for everybody else. I seldom run more than an hour or two at a stretch as a result.
For a fleet of 40, you have some on the watch list. but if they don't broadcast and they die, there is no blame at the door of the logi.
You get into a routine. Well I do, anyways. Scanning the ships that are being repped, the watch list, make sure still orbitting anchor then the broadcasts to see if any are 'in position' (code for reps can stop, aggro has shifted), rinse, repeat.
I fly shield fleets most of the time, the non bling ones like Valhalla and Warp to Me. I have flown armor with the Ditanian fleet. There are good folks willing to teach you the ropes if you want to learn. Warp to Me even runs a logi school on a regular basis. I assume some of the others do as well. Each also has recommended fits linked on their motd.
The logi is not the most expensive ship but it has a fair training time . Things balance out.
If you find that it is too stress inducing , , , take it in small doses or find a less frantic play style. There are so many things to do in Eve and you are not required to be good at all of them
hell, I am not sure I am good at any of them
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Mike Azariah-á CSM8 |
Metamonic
Bubbles Bubbles Bubbles
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Posted - 2014.01.14 09:23:00 -
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Some good and insightful info there guys, thanks. |
Geinus
Vermis foramen Industrius
Union 0f Revolution
1
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Posted - 2014.01.14 09:32:00 -
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You could always try a smaller incursion community, logistics are always wanted by them..
And they are normally a lost less stressful and can be good fun. |
Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction
The Pursuit of Happiness
1065
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Posted - 2014.01.14 09:34:00 -
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Paul Otichoda wrote:I've finally got into an incursion fleet (no I haven't lost any ships yet) and after a few hours work at logi in HQ sites I'm feeling physically trained.
Incursion is also the point at which EVE really does become excel as I have to have so many tabs open to keep track of things.
Does anyone else get this when their playing incursions or any other large fleet based combat? And does anyone have any tips for dealing with it.
get to PVP, wil make incursiong feel like eating cookies with milk.
"If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |
Paul Otichoda
Electric Sun Associates
192
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Posted - 2014.01.14 09:40:00 -
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Geinus wrote:You could always try a smaller incursion community, logistics are always wanted by them..
And they are normally a lost less stressful and can be good fun.
yeah but I'm a level 4 (only 21 days left until level 5) basilisk which isn't that useful in vanguard sites. |
Aramatheia
Tiffany and Co.
176
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Posted - 2014.01.14 11:14:00 -
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Metamonic wrote:
- How much do you need to prepare before each session?
- Is it acceptable to lose people?
- Is it normal to die yourself often?
- How much effort goes into positioning?
- How essential is reaction time?
- Is damage anticipation important or can you rely on broadcasts alone?
- What kind of alertness and awareness is needed?
- make sure everything is repaired and onlined (burnt out mods from past overheats) Also carry plenty of nanite paste
- ppl shouldnt die, if you are hyper alert you can see where the lasers are going and pick the right ship to fix without a broadcast (vg makes this easier as you can lock everyhting up in an 11 man fleet)
- you shouldnt die as a logi, maybe if you do tcrc and get nuked off field. Keep your speed up, and broadcast and unless the other logi sleep, you live
- Someone shoul be assigned as an anchor, set up an orbit on them. I reccomend making a custom orbit range, say 8100m to avoid collisions with ppl using the defaults (7500,10km)
- Being quick helps, unless in a vg where you can lock everyone and easy see whos getting shot, being able to rapidly respond to a broadcast or identify who's getting shot in a bigger fleet can save a ship
- some ppl dont broadcast, some are late, some fumble the key and turn on thier tac display by accident. If you can clearly identify who is eating beams there is no reason to not jump in and fix them. Feel free however to call them out. If soemone eternally fails to do fleet basics like broadcast reasonably, they will struggle to get in fleets
- Dps is difficult when tired as is, and thats lock up 1-9 and press f1 as needed. You have to be awake to do logi, ifyou doze off, someone may die because the other logi may not be able to overpower the incoming dps without your assist
also, former kingslayer resto shammy.. just tell no one! |
Lipbite
Express Hauler
1724
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Posted - 2014.01.14 14:08:00 -
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You'll adapt to gameplay in 2-3 days.
And don't forget to start moving immediately after landing on grid in TCRC because if you will be stationary and attacked - when you'll pop before other logis will be able to lock you. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy
The ROC
2091
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Posted - 2014.01.14 14:10:00 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Do what I do.
Revitalize by killing a miner. Really? z-killboard shows 28 kills and 35 losses and not a single mining ship anywhere to be seen. Of course, there's always the 'it's on an alt' response, but I just smell a bit of BS tbh.
I have 4 accounts, 3 of which are active. Some people post on alts, get used to it.
Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific
Initiative Mercenaries
4294
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Posted - 2014.01.14 14:16:00 -
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Paul Otichoda wrote:I've finally got into an incursion fleet (no I haven't lost any ships yet) and after a few hours work at logi in HQ sites I'm feeling physically trained.
Incursion is also the point at which EVE really does become excel as I have to have so many tabs open to keep track of things.
Does anyone else get this when their playing incursions or any other large fleet based combat? And does anyone have any tips for dealing with it.
You're kidding right? Don't you have like 5 or 6 threads you started in the missions and complexes forum about how you couldn't get into incursions (because you seemed to impatient to focus your training). Hell, wasn't' that you who got kicked out of TVP's channel for bitching and moaning too much? You were linking some seriously crap fits dude, then arguing
Now you finally do get in and you don't like it? I think the issue is you man, not the game content. |
Batelle
Komm susser Tod
1227
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Posted - 2014.01.14 14:29:00 -
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Paul Otichoda wrote:I've finally got into an incursion fleet (no I haven't lost any ships yet) and after a few hours work at logi in HQ sites I'm feeling physically trained.
Incursion is also the point at which EVE really does become excel as I have to have so many tabs open to keep track of things.
Does anyone else get this when their playing incursions or any other large fleet based combat? And does anyone have any tips for dealing with it.
Congratulations on (apparently) successfully running your first incursion fleet as a logi. You sound surprised that you're physically drained? You shouldn't be, especially if you're coming off a multi-hour session. The answer is to stretch, take a break when needed, keep hydrated. Or train for a DPS ship so you can change up the pace, as being a logi, especially in incursions, can be stressful.
Maybe change that sad little portrait to something happier? 
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