If you have not registered aggression at the point of logoff, you will disappear as normal. This cannot be extended by post-logoff aggression.

Everyone knows that attacking targets that are not fighting back is just such hard work.

You missed the topic.

No I think he hit the nail pretty much on the head.

You said it yourself... "when i dont have enough dps at hand"

If you don't have enough DPS to drop a ship that cannot fight back within the minute timer, the problem is not CCP's, it is yours. It is unrealistic to expect ships, especially ones w/o aggression to remain in space if someone aggresses it post-log out. Bring enough DPS to drop the freighter in under a minute, it's actually really easy. Look to 0.5 systems on trading pipes to see people dropping freighters in less than 10 seconds.

Im not talking about high sec ganks. Im talking about targets of opputunity.

Example:
You are scouting your wormhole region, jumping through a wormhole and suddenly an orca warps right into you at 0.
He jumps, and on the other side your corpmate gets the info that he has to tackle it. Orca decloaks, 2 Recons engaging it. Orca disapears after a min, in half armor.

I think this is wrong.

I'm pretty sure when you log off your mods and buffs go away so your ship is only tanking its base during that minute

just use moar DPS

Im not talking about high sec ganks. Im talking about targets of opputunity.

Example:
You are scouting your wormhole region, jumping through a wormhole and suddenly an orca warps right into you at 0.
He jumps, and on the other side your corpmate gets the info that he has to tackle it. Orca decloaks, 2 Recons engaging it. Orca disapears after a min, in half armor.

I think this is wrong.

Falling into a trap is not "committing to battle". To commit to battle you actually have to shoot.

basically just don't be a bubbleless scrub

It just makes no sense at all, after the recent changes to the aggro timer.

It wasnt even a trap, it was a mere coincidence that i landed on his side ot the wormhole as he landed right next to me and his careless attempt to fly through dangerous space turned into his favor by using an exploit.

Just becasue someone jumps though a gate or WH DOES NOT mean they have commited themselves to battle. You need to reword that.

when i dont have enough dps at hand, the target it legitimated to escape?

Just try to understand my first post and that what CCP Tallest wrote. You dont need a bubble to tackle an orca. But you need more time than 1 minute to bring more dps when you are just a scout without bubble.

All i want it to understand, why there is a difference to made between the recent change, and the above mentioned example.

Why does the orca deserve to get away, when it is clearly stated that logging off shouldnt be a viable tactic?

Its you that doesnt understand. You dont require a bubble to tackle an orca, but u need it to make the orca agressed as he logs off. Use a bubble. Simple.

There are good reasons why you should dissappear soon after logging off under normal circumstances, and your experience does not in itself justify dropping the mechanic.

The rage this this "hAxp10i7" causes is justifyable enough to just leave it as is. I mean, who doesn't like when you make the other guy scream in anger that you got away and flipping the bird in the process

Why dont they get the 15 min aggro, even if they are engaged after log off? I dont see the difference. They commited their ship to battle as they jumped through that WH/GATE, they shouldnt be able to escape like that.

Um, no. Jumping through a gate/wh does not commit one to battle. As you state here, someone unknowingly jumping through a gate/wh into a camp should have an automatic 15min hold on warp out.

1) As long as they're cloaked in session change how did you engage them in battle? There was no commitment.

2) You've never actually jumped through a gate with a fleet, have you? You can find your entire fleet disconnected, clients crashed on a node that didn't handle the load. And oh, now you want to crawl around for 15 minutes picking them off? I don't think so.

I fully understand the idealism from which you want this. But, with current states of the game it would just mean a massacre for people jumping through gates/wh's. And that's why it shouldn't be.

The easiest solution is to have enough DPS at hand. Unfortunately, that isn't the case in all circumstances, log off mechanics not withstanding. Just gotta suck it up and deal with it. You win some. You lose some.

True:

Flying through dangerous space without intel and without protection is not only risky, its an agreement to be engaged and destroyed by others.

And i correct myself:

Using a game mechanic to escape from mentioned example is not an exploit, as long as its defined as a legal mechanic.

Thus this thread and the call to CCP to look at this and change it.

On the other hand, ships should keep their modules active when they log off, so that they are still able to tank damage. This way players who DO disconnect due to ISP issues at least have a chance to log back in to save their ship.

True:

Flying through dangerous space without intel and without protection is not only risky, (This is true) its an agreement to be engaged and destroyed by others. (This is false) Just becasue YOU think its an "agreement" does not make it so.

And i correct myself:

Using a game mechanic to escape from mentioned example is not an exploit, as long as its defined as a legal mechanic.

Thus this thread and the call to CCP to look at this and change it.

Sorry but this is bullshit. I understood it the first time and now you suggest that it is justified to escape as long as you dont have a dictor within a minute to catch a logoffski.

I already catched it with my point, and only because a bubble autotriggers aggro at e-warp doesnt justify that this mechanic shouldnt work with a normal point.

My experience was just an example, and aslong as logging off shouldnt be a viable tactic to escape, i dont see why this should work on super's but not on smaller targets, only because you dont bring a blob within a minute.

Thats nonsense.

Also you would help this discussion if you would point out that good reasons you mentioned.