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Logical 101 Agony Unleashed Agony Empire 347	Posted - 2014.01.16 02:43:00 - [1] - Quote Genseric Tollaris wrote: +1 for ESS Indeed. Long live the butthurt machine. You didn't want that 5% anyway. See what I did there? I used "didn't want anyway" because, you know, this is EVE.
Logical 101 Agony Unleashed Agony Empire 349	Posted - 2014.01.16 04:38:00 - [2] - Quote SmilingVagrant wrote: Apparently stuffing sebos in a stilleto till it locks a pod in a second isn't enough. Sweet baby Jesus **ing Christ you're full of whine today. A 5% income nerf... on 0.0 ratting... in a (albeit misguided and unpopular) attempt to add more structures to the game, killing 'ceptors became more difficult (lol, are you **ing serious?), a minor amount of added risk is injected into the environment, and your insufferable pissyness reaches truly biblical proportions. This is a growing trend in your alliance. The rage and tears are flowing a bit too openly. Tighten up. Anyway, cheer up buddy. I'm sure the Keebler Elves will apologize for peeing in yer Cheerios eventually.
Logical 101 Agony Unleashed Agony Empire 355	Posted - 2014.01.16 04:59:00 - [3] - Quote SmilingVagrant wrote: Are you illiterate? You are really losing your ** over this, aren't you? Earlier today, in another thread where I posed the question "Do you consider the RL currency value of what you do in EVE?", you posted the following: SmilingVagrant wrote:** No because I'm playing a video game turbo nerd. And now, you're all charts and graphs and ISK faucet data and ERMAGERD 5% TO MAH RATTIN INCOMES. Seriously buddy, choose a mindset and stick with it.
Logical 101 Agony Unleashed Agony Empire 363	Posted - 2014.01.16 05:06:00 - [4] - Quote SmilingVagrant wrote: oh wow I think I got my pubbies mixed up, sorry you all look the same to me First of all, I have no respect for Goonswarm. Second of all, you are a disgrace to Goonswarm. They're adjustments to the game. HTFU noob.
Logical 101 Agony Unleashed Agony Empire 363	Posted - 2014.01.16 05:10:00 - [5] - Quote SmilingVagrant wrote: oh god i'm a laughing stock I think that about covers it.
Logical 101 Agony Unleashed Agony Empire 363	Posted - 2014.01.16 05:14:00 - [6] - Quote Fix Lag wrote: serious question who is agony empire Here you go. Oh, and hello Arkady! You here to weep buckets too, or just stick up for old whatshisface?
Logical 101 Agony Unleashed Agony Empire 364	Posted - 2014.01.16 05:18:00 - [7] - Quote SmilingVagrant wrote: oh so what was that thing you did? This is a perfect "your mom" opportunity, but I'll let it slip by. See? I am the perfect gentleman.
Logical 101 Agony Unleashed Agony Empire 366	Posted - 2014.01.16 06:04:00 - [8] - Quote SmilingVagrant wrote: Risk Vs Reward is broken in null right now The 0.0 risk has always been dying in a fire. The reward has always been occasionally not dying in a fire. I fail to see how that has changed. Man, you guys have really gone soft. SmilingVagrant wrote: Top down economics encourages expansionism into mega coalitions The irony here is overwhelming. SmilingVagrant wrote: Anything yanking isk hamfistedly out of the hands of the individual pilot in nullsec is a relatively bad thing. These structures, along with several other highly anticipated and popular ones, are an attempt to add further functionality and new dynamic elements to 0.0. They don't break your game. They don't kill your pets. They don't shave your head while you're alseep, or rob your bank, or sodomize your livestock. Your rageposting on the subject is plebeian at best.
Logical 101 Agony Unleashed Agony Empire 366	Posted - 2014.01.16 06:24:00 - [9] - Quote Fix Lag wrote: Logical 101 I know, I'm tough to stop talking about, particularly when I make you look like a whiny asshat.
Logical 101 Agony Unleashed Agony Empire 369	Posted - 2014.01.16 06:51:00 - [10] - Quote SmilingVagrant wrote: And you are unable to address any points at all with your post. CCP has stated on several times that the more dangerous the space, the greater the rewards for living and surviving in that space should be. This is currently not the way things are layed out. It means they aren't fulfilling their very own design idea. CCP states and plans things all the time. How are you not used to it not happening the way you want it to? From the Massively article published last year, with regard to depots for example... Quote: As the first deployable designed explicitly to screw with existing infrastructure, it represents a shift in the way CCP is thinking about territorial control. Previous expansions have made huge mechanical changes to the sovereignty system and tweaked the bonuses gained by owning space, but small groups haven't really been able to meaningfully interfere with the economic infrastructure of an empire and get something valuable out of it. By giving players more options to interfere with infrastructure that's not being frequently checked and tended to, CCP will be making it more difficult to hold onto territory that isn't being actively used or patrolled. How did you not realize the direction this was going? SmilingVagrant wrote: Irony isn't just a word you can throw at the wall and hope it sticks. No, it's a word I use for you, a cog in a vast, hulking, lurching machine that has leveraged every cooperative model in the history of EVE in order to advance itself. SmilingVagrant wrote: But this doesn't really add functionality No, it doesn't. The ESS is clearly a miss, but it is only one of several new structures being deployed that this community are, for the most part, either luke warm or excited about. Not everything that gets added to the game is going to be a success, but crying buckets about how you're being marginalized with a 5% ratting income hit because you refuse to use the structures is akin to sobbing uncontrollably because you stubbed your toe. Not even. It's a splinter. A very small, insignificant splinter when you consider how EVE players make money.

Logical 101 Agony Unleashed Agony Empire 369	Posted - 2014.01.16 07:26:00 - [11] - Quote SmilingVagrant wrote: So you really have nothing? I mean your main argument here seems to be based around "I don't really like it either, but I'm offended that you don't like it enough to say something". Well ok I guess you can sprint with that and see how far you can get. It's your raging dissatisfaction with the inefficacy of a comparatively insignificant functional element like this that makes you such a juicy, squishy target to pick apart. Seriously, they tried something to make ratting more of an "activity hub" process, and it isn't sitting well. We get it. It's not your bag of tea. But the sun will come out tomorrow. Down the road, you're going to feel pretty silly about all this 5% income reduction nonsense while everyone is off having fun with the new scan and cyno stuff. Nullbears are vicious. They have important spacemoney and astrodollars to make. I just didn't expect that from the same organization that once showed us you can conquer people in noob ships.
Logical 101 Agony Unleashed Agony Empire 369	Posted - 2014.01.16 07:31:00 - [12] - Quote SmilingVagrant wrote: pedant a person who overemphasizes minor details a person who adheres to book knowledge without regard to common sense a person who makes an excessive or inappropriate display of learning Between your ISK flow charts, your tears over your 5% lost income, and your lack of acknowledgement of the intent behind the implementation of these structures, you're 3 for 3. Well done, pedant.
Logical 101 Agony Unleashed Agony Empire 369	Posted - 2014.01.16 07:33:00 - [13] - Quote SmilingVagrant wrote: Like getting stuck on other deployables which aren't even a part of the argument at hand? Someone is going to have to yank you kicking and screaming out of your tunnel eventually. I'm doing what I can. And I'm doing God's work, sir.
Logical 101 Agony Unleashed Agony Empire 369	Posted - 2014.01.16 07:37:00 - [14] - Quote SmilingVagrant wrote: I mean you are literally mad No, that's you. This is my equivalent of meditation or a relaxing walk on the beach. Grab a beer and join me. Or wake up to the fact that I am stringing you along like a chipmunk on a tiny leash.
Logical 101 Agony Unleashed Agony Empire 369	Posted - 2014.01.16 07:42:00 - [15] - Quote Arkady Romanov wrote: Ah the puppetmaster argument. How nostalgic. Oh don't give me that crap. It's one of the cornerstones of being a Goon. What continues to amuse me is that none of you have figured out how to earn that 105% yet.
Logical 101 Agony Unleashed Agony Empire 369	Posted - 2014.01.16 07:46:00 - [16] - Quote SmilingVagrant wrote: I don't rat generally. Well, what I've learned from this thread is that, although you are Goonswarm, you have no clue how to exploit (make use of) these new deployables, and that interceptors befuddle and terrify you. If that's what you were going for, well done, mission successful.
Logical 101 Agony Unleashed Agony Empire 370	Posted - 2014.01.16 08:02:00 - [17] - Quote QproQ wrote: forcing coordination between alliance members And God forbid a vast, ancient 0.0 alliance should have to debase themselves by engaging in such awfulness to earn 5% more than they are now. Seriously, the Goons in this thread remind me of the old Phoenix Alliance more than they do the old Goonswarm. When did you guys trade Slowcat and deployable tears for the wretched and wonderful bulldozers you once were? That 5% either way is your incentive for not being intergalactic loners (again, the irony is almost painful).
Logical 101 Agony Unleashed Agony Empire 372	Posted - 2014.01.16 08:07:00 - [18] - Quote Arkady Romanov wrote: I'm so terribly sorry we let you down Logical. It hurts me deeply that we have become lesser in your eyes. I will immediately retreat to Syndicate and go into isolation to reflect on my failings. In time, perhaps I will recover enough to be the snarling monsterbee you deserve. One day, maybe you'll be able to "grr Goons" unironically again. Time will tell. Best post in this thread. GÖÑ
Logical 101 Agony Unleashed Agony Empire 375	Posted - 2014.01.16 08:28:00 - [19] - Quote SmilingVagrant wrote: Interceptors do not befuddle or terrify me, they are simply imbalanced in the current pass due to the inability to force engagement with them and remove them from space in general or the area of operations. If anything I'd say that you not understanding the core tenants of what the problem is with nano'd kiting ceptors is either due to your own lack of knowledge of game mechanics or at best a low grade troll v0v. At the moment due to the changes in nullification of that particular style of ship my gang and interceptor gangs generally just stare at each other or watch each other pass by. They can't engage us because we'd kill them if they commit. We can't catch and engage them because it's mechanically impossible unless someone screws up so bad that they forget where the "Jump" button is. From the artcile by Mynnna, available for your viewing pleasure on SPACEMITTENDOTCOM... Quote: As CCP has worked to rebalance Tech II ships, the common theme has been specialization. No rebalance so far has showcased this better than the Interceptor balancing planned for Rubicon. They will receive one big buff via the warp speed revamps. Combined with a new role bonus - bubble immunity - they will become the unquestioned kings of mobility. And just in case you thought CCP never listened to the players or the CSM, this idea actually comes from former CSM member Prometheus Exenthal. Other common changes include a buff to lock range (although not so much that you won't want to consider lock range upgrades) and a reaping of cargo capacity. If you want to leverage their bubble immunity to build an uncatchable cyno ship, be prepared to gimp your fit. The lamentations of nullbears, are like a sweet wine to me. I suppose this somehow makes you the odd man out. Some kind of rare specimen from another world.
Logical 101 Agony Unleashed Agony Empire 376	Posted - 2014.01.16 08:47:00 - [20] - Quote SmilingVagrant wrote: Not really. The general consensus amongst most null dwellers (Even ones that I technically hate) is that something got a wee bit over buffed again. It happens. Your constant insistence that me stating that something is broken and providing arguments to support my claims is somehow breaking my mind down with rage and unquiet thoughts is kind of amusing, it's like an overdone "u mad bro?" I think you fail to see the truth of it. A strongly player supported concept is suggested by CSM and is implemented. Most people have a lot of fun with it (well, the ones who don't have their heads shoved firmly up their asses). Fail PvPers unable to either utilize interceptors properly by being creative and embracing target selection in order to inflict pain and weepy nullbears unable to cope with this new threat claim "imbalance" and, as you have done, declare the concept to be failed and unpopular. Same goes for the ESS. Yeah, it's probably an inconvenience to many people, but those who either benefit from it by using it correctly... in their vast amounts of space (cough)... or otherwise ignore it (and take the microscopic hit) will be the ones who don't experience selective memory problems and, eventually, aneurisms over well-intentioned modifications to the game. It's like watching a politician flip-flop on a suddenly relevant topic.

Logical 101 Agony Unleashed Agony Empire 376	Posted - 2014.01.16 08:49:00 - [21] - Quote SmilingVagrant wrote: What do I give a damn about ratters? I'd just like to add some risk back into their lives Then fly a ****ing interceptor! Christ man, you crack me up.
Logical 101 Agony Unleashed Agony Empire 376	Posted - 2014.01.16 09:07:00 - [22] - Quote SmilingVagrant wrote: Once again you are arguing against a straw man. Repetition reinforcement goes both ways. SmilingVagrant wrote: I dislike that. It's weird that you dislike me disliking that. Not really. In this case it's an opportunity to attack the seemingly committed mindset put forth with a concrete implication; that the inability to exploit that which is presented to you is, in essence, intellectually bankrupt. a falsis principiis proficisci
Logical 101 Agony Unleashed Agony Empire 376	Posted - 2014.01.16 09:26:00 - [23] - Quote SmilingVagrant wrote: Don't get me wrong I have no problem utilizing inherently broken mechanics to my advantage, but that doesn't stop me from objectively arguing that they are broken as well. That's not intellectually bankrupt at all. And here's where you fell down. It was well thought out, but eventually you stumbled. The entire premise of what you have just delivered rests on the truth that something is inherently broken. First of all, nothing is "inherently" broken. Things break. When fabricated (implemented), they were "working as intended", because that was what was made available. It was designed that way. You may feel it's unfair, overly advantageous, easily exploitable, and so on, but none of that means it's broken. It just means it's overpowered given its environment. And so whether it is "broken", as you put it, or not depends on whether or not an individual believes it to be "working as intended". It's all a matter of perspective. The perspective you put forth is, therefore, "inherently broken" and assailable. Also, the whiny bitchy thing never goes over well in terms of being a defensible starting position.
Logical 101 Agony Unleashed Agony Empire 376	Posted - 2014.01.16 09:32:00 - [24] - Quote SmilingVagrant wrote: And the weakest non argument yet out of our friendly neighborhood pedant who thinks he's a word smith. Cornered? I'm disappointed. I thought you'd keep it going. It was fun while it lasted.
Logical 101 Agony Unleashed Agony Empire 377	Posted - 2014.01.16 10:06:00 - [25] - Quote Mag's wrote: I generally like your posting and agree with some things you say. But this time you really missed the mark and looked like a bit of a fool. I just didn't get the escalation I wanted. If you're looking for someone to toss the straw man in front of and douse it with water, you have to accept the fact that clarification of an understanding that this is what is happening is entirely possible. On top of that, you have to deal with the fish who not only willingly bite, but who also prove their point (which is utterly pointless). What would be truly foolish would to be inconsistent.

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