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Jaseon
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Posted - 2006.03.23 19:16:00 -
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there is a abuse of warp core stabs by most pvp:ers
in my opinion wcs should be used for travel setups and haulers.. not by snipers and bs in a fight.
as for sniper gank squads.. why dont make a penalty on scanresolution and targetrange on wcs. in that case snipers would have to compensate their wcs setups with sensor boosters and signal amplifier.
also for travel you dont need fast locking time so the intended use for wcs would be intact. as for the snipers they would have to stay longer in a fight cause locking takes more time and by that increasing tacklers chance to catch up on them. other possible addition to wcs would be inertia penalty that would however hurt safe travel issue since that would make hauler take longer time to align.
in my opinion wcs disrupt powerbalance in fleet fights cause a fleet of 20 hard stabbed fighters needs 2-3 times or even more ships to make the fight even..
i know interdictors are added to help against situations like this but my belief is that a target penalty on wcs would do alot more good to make fights fun. since the stacking nerf most snipers dont have need for more then 2 damage mod that is leaving lowslots open for wcs with out loosing power in your snipersetup. also the target penalty on wcs should stack huge so using one wcs wont do you much harm but more then one halfs your sensors for example.
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HUGO DRAX
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Posted - 2006.03.23 19:22:00 -
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WCS = gimped setup. for every WCS you lose out on tanking or ganking. and you can always bump FTW and you would be surprised how effective drones can be at times causing a collision and loss of alignment.
interdictors also help greatly.
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Tassi
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Posted - 2006.03.23 19:27:00 -
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WCS is ghey, if you use them you are ghey.
IF you know friends that use them they are ghey, if you do not remove them after you read my post you are also VERY ghey.
plsz remove them or you are dfeinitely ghey 
Stand your man or die.
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Ryken Smith
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Posted - 2006.03.23 19:38:00 -
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Edited by: Ryken Smith on 23/03/2006 19:40:17
 Originally by: Tassi
WCS is ghey, if you use them you are ghey.
IF you know friends that use them they are ghey, if you do not remove them after you read my post you are also VERY ghey.
plsz remove them or you are dfeinitely ghey
Stand your man or die.
Ghey? That's ***.
***? That's ghey.
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wierchas noobhunter
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Posted - 2006.03.23 19:39:00 -
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again ?
join BioMass Cartel or die argggg
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Commander Nikolas
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Posted - 2006.03.23 19:39:00 -
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Originally by: HUGO DRAX
WCS = gimped setup. for every WCS you lose out on tanking or ganking. and you can always bump FTW and you would be surprised how effective drones can be at times causing a collision and loss of alignment.
interdictors also help greatly.
Isn't that an exploit? (as stupid as that sounds)
My understanding was you couldn't "use" your drones to stop someone from warping (like you have any control over how they orbit or which gang member they try to kill after they finish off their target)...
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.03.23 19:43:00 -
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"nerf locking range". Won't work. They have a lot of redundancy in their lock range because of the way sensor booster's work (too high bonus afaik).
A weapon RANGE bonus, now... (10% per)
Lifewire> 8000 m/s, even battleships can do this |
Jaseon
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Posted - 2006.03.23 21:35:00 -
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but as it is now using wcs on a sniper doesnt gimp it that much really.. most sniper after teh stackign penalty use only 2 damage mods and maybe 1-2 tracking mods.. on a decent bs setup u still have several low slots that u can use for wcs that doesnt effect your sniping abiltity compared to other snipers.. i am only stating that the gimp factor on snipe setups is to low compared on who overpowered a wcs snipe fleet on 150km with t2 ammo..
there has to be added another penalty to wcs other then gimp factor. max target range or scan res is an option that wouldnt mess with the inteded use of wcs..
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Rohann
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Posted - 2006.03.23 22:30:00 -
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I agree wcs should be nerfed.
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.03.23 22:41:00 -
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Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa...
> 3 threads a week is a little too much for the forums. You are making baby Devs cry... 
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Arakasai
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Posted - 2006.03.23 22:42:00 -
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Edited by: Arakasai on 23/03/2006 22:42:58
Originally by: wierchas noobhunter
again ?
More like still. Original arguements optional.
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samuel222
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Posted - 2006.03.23 22:45:00 -
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you say nerf it but what about when 'you' have to blockade run ect,ect and its nerfed so you cant run and get popped
i hear the fact you want carebears to be less protected but if they didnt stand a chance would you really expect to see any?
i mean come on, who would you shoot then?
you'd be runnin from the one who is always better than you but you nerfed the stabs so they'll get you.
think deeper people dont just pull out the nerfbat
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Aiolos Caci
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Posted - 2006.03.23 22:45:00 -
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I would like to solicit opinions from Burn Eden representatives on this highly controversial subject 
My personal opinion: Fit warp core stabs, and your guns don't fire... Travel and transport your stuff all you want, but when you're going to fight, use your superb knowledge of combat mechanics, your wingmen, and the good ole lady luck.
Warp core stabs provide an easy way out for all kinds of trash-talking safespot-huggin lone hauler omfgpwnrawrorz... There shouldn't be an easy way out. If you're coming out to kill be prepared to be killed.
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Shin Ra
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Posted - 2006.03.23 22:45:00 -
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There was a thread about this not 2 days ago started by Rohann. If you look past my pwning of the BNC guys, there is actually some good ideas and thoughts in amongst the smack.
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.03.23 22:45:00 -
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Originally by: Rohann
I agree wcs should be nerfed.
I agree Rohann should be nerfed.
And lock range is a popular one with snipers because if you can lock to 300km, then who CARES if you have -20% lock range from 2 WCS, you can still snipe at 200 with the T2 mao.
No, there needs to be a REAL penalty. That means WEAPON range.
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AngelWolff
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Posted - 2006.03.23 23:15:00 -
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Find different ways of attacking a sniper gang. Use a stealthed cov ops pilot as a warp in marker to drop tackling frigs directly on top of the snipers, or using an interdictor with a cloak to tackle/warp-in mark can both can work nicely against an unsuspecting gang.
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.03.23 23:19:00 -
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Every time a warp scrambler is activate on a ship with wcs and fails to scramble, the owner of the stabbed up ship loses 10k skill points. This is repeated for every cycle the scrambler doesn't scramble. Every electronic warfare module fitted on the stabbed ship incurs a further 10k skill point hit per failed cycle. Oh, and the stabbed up ship also takes 100dps direct structure damage, and has a 99% chance of all it's modules offlining. Oh, and...
Originally by: Tassi
Projectile very overpowdered
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Xanta
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Posted - 2006.03.23 23:21:00 -
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Originally by: Sarmaul
Every time a warp scrambler is activate on a ship with wcs and fails to scramble, the owner of the stabbed up ship loses 10k skill points. This is repeated for every cycle the scrambler doesn't scramble. Every electronic warfare module fitted on the stabbed ship incurs a further 10k skill point hit per failed cycle. Oh, and the stabbed up ship also takes 100dps direct structure damage, and has a 99% chance of all it's modules offlining. Oh, and...
if you die with stabs on you pod yourself \o/
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.03.23 23:22:00 -
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Originally by: Xanta
Originally by: Sarmaul
Every time a warp scrambler is activate on a ship with wcs and fails to scramble, the owner of the stabbed up ship loses 10k skill points. This is repeated for every cycle the scrambler doesn't scramble. Every electronic warfare module fitted on the stabbed ship incurs a further 10k skill point hit per failed cycle. Oh, and the stabbed up ship also takes 100dps direct structure damage, and has a 99% chance of all it's modules offlining. Oh, and...
if you die with stabs on you pod yourself \o/
that was it!
Originally by: Tassi
Projectile very overpowdered
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Damfoose
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Posted - 2006.03.23 23:26:00 -
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OK so stabs are considered by some to be bad ... fine ill agree with that .. But on the flip side their are warp disrupters so if going by the way of things for every type of EW their is their is a countermeasure to get rid of stabs get rid of the disruptors..makes things even again... If your going to gank and spank pilots the pilots your going to gank need to have some way out of the situation..
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Jaseon
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Posted - 2006.03.24 09:23:00 -
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plz could someone point me in the direction of that rohann thread u speak of i want to read =)
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.03.24 09:28:00 -
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Originally by: Tassi
WCS is ghey, if you use them you are ghey.
IF you know friends that use them they are ghey, if you do not remove them after you read my post you are also VERY ghey.
plsz remove them or you are dfeinitely ghey
Stand your man or die.
With all due respect, this is bull****. Nuff said, i think.
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Felxia
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Posted - 2006.03.24 12:40:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor
Originally by: Tassi
WCS is ghey, if you use them you are ghey.
IF you know friends that use them they are ghey, if you do not remove them after you read my post you are also VERY ghey.
plsz remove them or you are dfeinitely ghey
Stand your man or die.
With all due respect, this is bull****. Nuff said, i think.
and you should know better little alt?
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Cmdr Sy
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Posted - 2006.03.24 12:44:00 -
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One of my Alliance Propaganda posters for -V- illustrates my feelings nicely.
Hell I even advocate full racks of hull nanos on haulers instead of WCS.
But ultimately I think it's down to player choice.
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Testy Mctest
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Posted - 2006.03.24 12:47:00 -
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Originally by: Cmdr Sy
One of my Alliance Propaganda posters for -V- illustrates my feelings nicely.
My standard response illustrates the feelings of people with a clue nicely.
Testy's Eve Blog!
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Hayabusa Fury
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Posted - 2006.03.24 13:02:00 -
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They just need to make the WCS have a chance to fail. Same with scrambling, make it cycle and have a chance to fail. Let the WCS stack so haulers and those that want 4+ WCS to still travel in relative saftey, but that should end the 1 or 2 WCS fitted combat setups.
I am think a player should have a legit counter to scrambling. But niether scrambling or the counter should be 100% effective.
Only thing that should be 100% is no more posts about WCS. We have no counter for "WCS nerf/my target got away" whining posts.
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Slink Grinsdikild
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Posted - 2006.03.24 13:05:00 -
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My 2 cents:
WCS whines were legitimate 3 months ago, bubbles being easy to spot on the scanner and a pain in the ass to deploy. We now have Interdictors, disrupt probes and launchers are seeded..
There really is no excuse not to use them.
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Kinsy
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Posted - 2006.03.24 14:39:00 -
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Edited by: Kinsy on 24/03/2006 14:39:18
The more stabs you fit, the more fights you lose.
Experience (or rather old alliance mates experience) proves this time and time again. Last I heard one chap who loved them was killed in a Bhaalgorn with 7 stabs, makes me want to stab my eyes out that does 
If you can't bring it to the gank squad then call on some backup or bait them out one by one.
I especially love stabbed up HACs, they horribly gimp any standard setup and are easy kills
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elorran
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Posted - 2006.03.24 14:57:00 -
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Yes, warp core stabilisers totally need to be reworked.
For starters they should be changed to 5cpu with the warp drive operations skill reducing that cpu need by 1 per level. Further more mounting of warp core stabilisers on your ships should increase your micro-warp drives effective speed output and reduce its capacitor requirements, in addition to which coming supplied with free milk and cookies to bride the gate campers with.
Long with the warp core stabiliser revolution \o/
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Mag's
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Posted - 2006.03.24 15:02:00 -
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Not another topic on this, jeez....
It may be time to ask for a sticky, then we may at least get some restbite.
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