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Valhallas
New Eden Robotics
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Posted - 2011.11.08 18:40:00 -
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I recently saw 6 Myrmidons undock move around and warp off, all in perfect unison. It was obvious to me that they were all being controlled by the same person
It would seem to me that the owner of the accounts had a method of sending KB and mouse input to 6 EVE clients all at the same time. I would presume that the module and overview layout was identical on all the accounts so that locking up a target for example, would lead to all 6 accounts locking up the same target.
Has anyone seen this before, or know how its done?
It seems to me like an excellent way to utilise one's alts. |

Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
291
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Posted - 2011.11.08 18:43:00 -
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Yes.
You need special software for that. Myself, i use ISBoxer.
ISBoxer is free but you need a license for another software called Inner Space. Its cheap, 10 bucks for 3 months license. And before anyone says anything, its perfectly within the EULA. There a GM statement somewhere buried inside the old forums.
I use it to control my main ship, and a RR dominix with sentry drones.
But in my case, i create video feeds and click areas so that i can control the two ships from the same screen. It is as if i had two drone bays on my UI, one for my main ship and the other for the dominix. I also see two HUD's on the UI and i can controll both of them without alt-tabbing.
It's really awesome. Rated ARG for Pirates. **** you. |

Velicitia
Open Designs
75
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Posted - 2011.11.08 18:45:00 -
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I'm gonna go with "luck" and/or "bot" |

Lord Ryan
True Xero
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Posted - 2011.11.08 18:46:00 -
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There is a thread somewhere here on the new forums about it. It's legal according to that thread. Pretty sure a GM or Dev even posted on it. Think it wad mentioned in the cockpit thread too. -á"Nerf it cause I can't fly it". I want to fly a badass Mon Calamari stlye-ácruiser painted to match my Tron clothes. |

Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
291
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Posted - 2011.11.08 18:49:00 -
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Lord Ryan wrote:There is a thread somewhere here on the new forums about it. It's legal according to that thread. Pretty sure a GM or Dev even posted on it. Think it wad mentioned in the cockpit thread too.
Didn't see it, but the reasoning is that as long as you're not using software that modify game files, and you're in front of the PC CONTROLLING the accounts, its fine. Rated ARG for Pirates. **** you. |

Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
136
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Posted - 2011.11.08 18:54:00 -
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*whispers* Synergy We want breast augmentations and sluttier clothing in the NeX! |

Darrow Hill
Eight Bit Industries
7
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Posted - 2011.11.08 18:55:00 -
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Once apon a time I had a license to Keyclone.
Been almost two years since I have used it (damn, my hardware is getting old). |

Lord Ryan
True Xero
93
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Posted - 2011.11.08 18:59:00 -
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Mr Kidd wrote:*whispers* Synergy
Synergy and Input Director both work well as a software version of a KPM switch, but I didn't think either could control multiple clients at the same time. -á"Nerf it cause I can't fly it". I want to fly a badass Mon Calamari stlye-ácruiser painted to match my Tron clothes. |

David Grogan
The Motley Crew Reborn
202
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Posted - 2011.11.08 19:02:00 -
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Valhallas wrote:I recently saw 6 Myrmidons undock move around and warp off, all in perfect unison. It was obvious to me that they were all being controlled by the same person
It would seem to me that the owner of the accounts had a method of sending KB and mouse input to 6 EVE clients all at the same time. I would presume that the module and overview layout was identical on all the accounts so that locking up a target for example, would lead to all 6 accounts locking up the same target.
Has anyone seen this before, or know how its done?
It seems to me like an excellent way to utilise one's alts.
every hear of fleet warp? i do it all the time with my alts. Everytime you buy something that says "made in china" you are helping the rising unemployment in your own country unless your from china, Buy locally produced goods and help create more jobs. |

Krios Ahzek
Juvenis Iratus
28
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Posted - 2011.11.08 19:04:00 -
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But why would you do that?
Paying 90$ a month just to play Eve is quite excessive. |

Zircon Dasher
Zirconia Trade Group
19
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Posted - 2011.11.08 19:06:00 -
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Valhallas wrote:I recently saw 6 Myrmidons undock move around and warp off, all in perfect unison. It was obvious to me that they were all being controlled by the same person.
It was obvious that they were controlled by one person because they undocked and warped off in unison?
Because there are no game mechanics that might allow for warping 6 ships at once? Because it is impossible to have multiple people undock in unison?
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Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
292
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Posted - 2011.11.08 19:12:00 -
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Like i said, the myrm pilot was using ISBoxer. The "tricks" he did are exactly the ones i do to show-off. Undock in unison, move around like in perfect formation, aligning and warping together, locking the same target together.. launching drones, commanding drones and recalling drones together, turning modules on and off together, etc..
And like i said its 10 bucks for 3 months. If you can't afford that you really need a job.. Rated ARG for Pirates. **** you. |

BeanBagKing
Terra Incognita Intrepid Crossing
15
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Posted - 2011.11.08 19:22:00 -
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https://sites.google.com/site/khromtor/ |

Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc.
62
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Posted - 2011.11.08 19:22:00 -
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Zircon Dasher wrote:Valhallas wrote:I recently saw 6 Myrmidons undock move around and warp off, all in perfect unison. It was obvious to me that they were all being controlled by the same person. It was obvious that they were controlled by one person because they undocked and warped off in unison? Because there are no game mechanics that might allow for warping 6 ships at once? Because it is impossible to have multiple people undock in unison?
If it is one person and they are doing what is said, they are probably plexing all the accounts, thus paying nothing but their time to play EVE.
Slade
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Donna Divine
Gilded Goose Brokerage
0
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Posted - 2011.11.08 19:29:00 -
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It can be done by exploiting the eve client as well, which is much simpler then going thru much more effort as described earlier here. My bet is on the sploited client. |

Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
292
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Posted - 2011.11.08 19:36:00 -
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Slade Trillgon wrote:Zircon Dasher wrote:Valhallas wrote:I recently saw 6 Myrmidons undock move around and warp off, all in perfect unison. It was obvious to me that they were all being controlled by the same person. It was obvious that they were controlled by one person because they undocked and warped off in unison? Because there are no game mechanics that might allow for warping 6 ships at once? Because it is impossible to have multiple people undock in unison? If it is one person and they are doing what is said, they are probably plexing all the accounts, thus paying nothing but their time to play EVE. Slade
This =) Rated ARG for Pirates. **** you. |

Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
292
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Posted - 2011.11.08 19:37:00 -
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Donna Divine wrote:It can be done by exploiting the eve client as well, which is much simpler then going thru much more effort as described earlier here. My bet is on the sploited client.
And much ilegal too. Rated ARG for Pirates. **** you. |

Krios Ahzek
Juvenis Iratus
28
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Posted - 2011.11.08 19:39:00 -
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Slade Trillgon wrote:Zircon Dasher wrote:Valhallas wrote:I recently saw 6 Myrmidons undock move around and warp off, all in perfect unison. It was obvious to me that they were all being controlled by the same person. It was obvious that they were controlled by one person because they undocked and warped off in unison? Because there are no game mechanics that might allow for warping 6 ships at once? Because it is impossible to have multiple people undock in unison? If it is one person and they are doing what is said, they are probably plexing all the accounts, thus paying nothing but their time to play EVE. Slade
Plexing six accounts in order to grind enough to plex six accounts!
Way to go champ.
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Jita Alt666
487
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Posted - 2011.11.08 19:40:00 -
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Zircon Dasher wrote:Valhallas wrote:I recently saw 6 Myrmidons undock move around and warp off, all in perfect unison. It was obvious to me that they were all being controlled by the same person. It was obvious that they were controlled by one person because they undocked and warped off in unison? Because there are no game mechanics that might allow for warping 6 ships at once? Because it is impossible to have multiple people undock in unison?
Reading comprehension. What does "move around" mean? Giving the OP the benefit of the doubt, they may have held full speed for 25km. All came to a complete stop. All aligned to Gate A. All turned. All aligned Gate B. All initiated warp. If such a sequence occurred the OP's thread is completely justified and your dismissive questioning nullified.
Some one has already linked Khromotor, in this thread. It's legal, it's effective and it's pretty much what the Op described. Read it up people. |

Jita Alt666
487
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Posted - 2011.11.08 19:41:00 -
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Zircon Dasher wrote:Valhallas wrote:I recently saw 6 Myrmidons undock move around and warp off, all in perfect unison. It was obvious to me that they were all being controlled by the same person. It was obvious that they were controlled by one person because they undocked and warped off in unison? Because there are no game mechanics that might allow for warping 6 ships at once? Because it is impossible to have multiple people undock in unison?
Reading comprehension. What does "move around" mean? Giving the OP the benefit of the doubt, they may have held full speed for 25km. All came to a complete stop. All aligned to Gate A. All turned. All aligned Gate B. All initiated warp. If such a sequence occurred the OP's thread is completely justified and your dismissive questioning nullified.
Some one has already linked Khromotor, in this thread. It's legal, it's effective and it's pretty much what the Op described. Read it up people. |

Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc.
62
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Posted - 2011.11.08 19:41:00 -
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Renan Ruivo wrote:Slade Trillgon wrote:Krios Ahzek wrote:But why would you do that?
Paying 90$ a month just to play Eve is quite excessive. If it is one person and they are doing what is said, they are probably plexing all the accounts, thus paying nothing but their time to play EVE. Slade This =)
Fixed my fail quote 
Slade
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Jita Alt666
487
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Posted - 2011.11.08 19:41:00 -
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thank you eve forums. |

Valhallas
New Eden Robotics
8
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Posted - 2011.11.08 19:48:00 -
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Zircon Dasher wrote:Valhallas wrote:I recently saw 6 Myrmidons undock move around and warp off, all in perfect unison. It was obvious to me that they were all being controlled by the same person. It was obvious that they were controlled by one person because they undocked and warped off in unison? Because there are no game mechanics that might allow for warping 6 ships at once? Because it is impossible to have multiple people undock in unison?
If you had seen it I think you would agree they were being controlled by the same person. I have been playing a while and never seen formation flying like this.
ISBoxer looks interesting. I might try that |

Blastage
Pedel Innovations Protectors.
0
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Posted - 2011.11.08 19:58:00 -
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Ok guys news flash, as a fleet leader you can warp your whole fleet with one click of the fleet boss. As far as them undocking at the same time that is easy because as well as playing in a fleet youGÇÖre on vent and say undock; wow! You all come out at the same time.
LetGÇÖs get real around here, we know that there is stuff out there that helps you to use one keyboard and one mouse to control as many computers as you link to, but you still need 6 screens to see what is happening on each account and you have to move your mouse over that screen to do anything with that account. This is by no means a exploit, but yes some people use bots to run their accounts when away from the keyboard, this is a exploit as you can leave the keyboard. Now back to the not a exploit way, if you use one computer or more and have the monitors to hook up then it is easy, I have 6 accounts, but only 3 screens so I alt tab to get to the other clients. I also use 6 accounts at once and can do a dam good job even with only 3 monitors and having to swap clients. Nice thing about Windows 7 is if you put the mouse over the icon on the window bar it shows you a small screen of your other clients this way you don't have to change screens as much if you look at them this way. I can mine with all 6 accounts and I can mission, but I never PVP with all 6 too much to keep up with, now when I get 3 more screens and I don't have to alt tab I will PVP all 6 together as that would be easy as well.
As for the guy that said who pays 90 a month to play this game well I guess you got me there, but now again with 6 accounts working together I make a **** load of isk without breaking the Rules.
Pease out my brothers in arms
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Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
293
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Posted - 2011.11.08 20:04:00 -
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Blastage wrote:Ok guys news flash, as a fleet leader you can warp your whole fleet with one click of the fleet boss. As far as them undocking at the same time that is easy because as well as playing in a fleet youGÇÖre on vent and say undock; wow! You all come out at the same time.
LetGÇÖs get real around here, we know that there is stuff out there that helps you to use one keyboard and one mouse to control as many computers as you link to, but you still need 6 screens to see what is happening on each account and you have to move your mouse over that screen to do anything with that account. This is by no means a exploit, but yes some people use bots to run their accounts when away from the keyboard, this is a exploit as you can leave the keyboard. Now back to the not a exploit way, if you use one computer or more and have the monitors to hook up then it is easy, I have 6 accounts, but only 3 screens so I alt tab to get to the other clients. I also use 6 accounts at once and can do a dam good job even with only 3 monitors and having to swap clients. Nice thing about Windows 7 is if you put the mouse over the icon on the window bar it shows you a small screen of your other clients this way you don't have to change screens as much if you look at them this way. I can mine with all 6 accounts and I can mission, but I never PVP with all 6 too much to keep up with, now when I get 3 more screens and I don't have to alt tab I will PVP all 6 together as that would be easy as well.
As for the guy that said who pays 90 a month to play this game well I guess you got me there, but now again with 6 accounts working together I make a **** load of isk without breaking the Rules.
Pease out my brothers in arms
No, stop trying. If you know nothing about multi-boxing and the related software, you aren't entitled to say what can and cannot be done with it. Rated ARG for Pirates. **** you. |

Valhallas
New Eden Robotics
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Posted - 2011.11.08 20:06:00 -
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Blastage wrote:Ok guys news flash, as a fleet leader you can warp your whole fleet with one click of the fleet boss. As far as them undocking at the same time that is easy because as well as playing in a fleet youGÇÖre on vent and say undock; wow! You all come out at the same time.
LetGÇÖs get real around here, we know that there is stuff out there that helps you to use one keyboard and one mouse to control as many computers as you link to, but you still need 6 screens to see what is happening on each account and you have to move your mouse over that screen to do anything with that account. This is by no means a exploit, but yes some people use bots to run their accounts when away from the keyboard, this is a exploit as you can leave the keyboard. Now back to the not a exploit way, if you use one computer or more and have the monitors to hook up then it is easy, I have 6 accounts, but only 3 screens so I alt tab to get to the other clients. I also use 6 accounts at once and can do a dam good job even with only 3 monitors and having to swap clients. Nice thing about Windows 7 is if you put the mouse over the icon on the window bar it shows you a small screen of your other clients this way you don't have to change screens as much if you look at them this way. I can mine with all 6 accounts and I can mission, but I never PVP with all 6 too much to keep up with, now when I get 3 more screens and I don't have to alt tab I will PVP all 6 together as that would be easy as well.
As for the guy that said who pays 90 a month to play this game well I guess you got me there, but now again with 6 accounts working together I make a **** load of isk without breaking the Rules.
Pease out my brothers in arms
I think your a bit behind the curve in this thread, we've already established that fleet warp and simultaneously undocking can be achieved, but can't account for what I saw.
We have also established that programs like ISBoxer negate the need for multiple monitors to control multiple EVE accounts
Please keep up!!
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Cambarus
Clearly Compensating The Dark Triad
27
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Posted - 2011.11.08 20:11:00 -
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Krios Ahzek wrote:Slade Trillgon wrote:Zircon Dasher wrote:Valhallas wrote:I recently saw 6 Myrmidons undock move around and warp off, all in perfect unison. It was obvious to me that they were all being controlled by the same person. It was obvious that they were controlled by one person because they undocked and warped off in unison? Because there are no game mechanics that might allow for warping 6 ships at once? Because it is impossible to have multiple people undock in unison? If it is one person and they are doing what is said, they are probably plexing all the accounts, thus paying nothing but their time to play EVE. Slade Plexing six accounts in order to grind enough to plex six accounts! Way to go champ. My record was somewhere in the realm of 4.5bil in a single day running incursions with 6 accounts. IIRC it only takes about half that to keep them plexed for a month. Nope, can't think of any reason why someone would want to run multiple accounts and pay for them via plex :D
That said, the last time I used ISBoxer I was running RR domis (I just manually multibox for incursions). I would immagine what the OP saw was an ISBoxer user, because IIRC the guys who make the program placed that limit on the number of accounts you could run at once (not sure why, but that was why I had 6 accounts running around) |

Cloora
APEX Unlimited APEX Conglomerate
3
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Posted - 2011.11.08 20:14:00 -
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I run 6 accounts at a time in PvP I haven't configured Synergy for the simultaneous movements because I fly a mixed array of ships. Usually a tanky bait ship, one ECM ship, a DPS ship and a logi with two T3 command boosters. I run it on 3 computers and alt tab since I am running on 3 screens. It works well enough CEO and Major ShareholderAPEX ConglomerateMaker of Starsi softdrinks and Torped-Os! Cereal http://www.altaholics.blogspot.com
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Krios Ahzek
Juvenis Iratus
29
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Posted - 2011.11.08 20:23:00 -
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Cambarus wrote:Krios Ahzek wrote:Slade Trillgon wrote:Zircon Dasher wrote:Valhallas wrote:I recently saw 6 Myrmidons undock move around and warp off, all in perfect unison. It was obvious to me that they were all being controlled by the same person. It was obvious that they were controlled by one person because they undocked and warped off in unison? Because there are no game mechanics that might allow for warping 6 ships at once? Because it is impossible to have multiple people undock in unison? If it is one person and they are doing what is said, they are probably plexing all the accounts, thus paying nothing but their time to play EVE. Slade Plexing six accounts in order to grind enough to plex six accounts! Way to go champ. My record was somewhere in the realm of 4.5bil in a single day running incursions with 6 accounts. IIRC it only takes about half that to keep them plexed for a month. Nope, can't think of any reason why someone would want to run multiple accounts and pay for them via plex :D That said, the last time I used ISBoxer I was running RR domis (I just manually multibox for incursions). I would immagine what the OP saw was an ISBoxer user, because IIRC the guys who make the program placed that limit on the number of accounts you could run at once (not sure why, but that was why I had 6 accounts running around)
Once you have 20+ bil, can't you just make exponentially more by trolling small markets in JIta ? After the first 10 billions, you should be beyond grinding. |

Cambarus
Clearly Compensating The Dark Triad
27
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Posted - 2011.11.08 20:58:00 -
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Krios Ahzek wrote:
Once you have 20+ bil, can't you just make exponentially more by trolling small markets in JIta ? After the first 10 billions, you should be beyond grinding.
Probably, but then I;m far too compulsive to be any good at market manipulation. I buy and sell characters far more often than any sane person would, and once I hit 20+ bil I went out and bought myself an utu.
It's also worth noting that once you get good at it multiboxing isn't any harder than, say, grinding lvl 4s. I used to run my incusion fleets while watching TV for example. |
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