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Skill Training Online Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 234	Posted - 2014.01.19 16:52:00 - [1] - Quote Quote: Before I start, I just want to say there are some CORE ASPECTS of EVE that are FANTASTIC, a good example of these is the skill queue system. EVE is not a big truck. Big Trucks can move your stuff, and yourself in relative safety. The Ford F-150 even has an in-dash Global Positioning System, heated leather seats, and dual climate control. EVE is not a Ford F-150. EVE is like a hand pump rail car it is often painful, it is horrifyingly slow, and it requires immense effort on the end user to get anything accomplished. EVE has a sincere lack of Chi, what is Chi you might ask? It is the inner power the human mind, if EVE were an animal it would be something cold blooded and fanged. EVE is the serpent, and as such it is without Chi. Those are three clearly defined issues that plague your average user. The Solution? + Automated Systems to make life easier for all pilots, but happen on Real-World Timers. The Key with all these automated systems is they would take MUCH LONGER than handling them in person. Example: Your pilot has the skills to fly a freighter, but you don't personally have the time to AFK all the way to Jita Set up an Automated Trip Plan to Jita, and the freighter will AFK all the way there while you are offline, with all the risks and rewards associated with AFKing. The ability to set up crafting triggers, I can't tell you how many hours of my life I've spent gambling on T1 BPCs hoping for a T2 BPC, this whole system could be greatly improved through automation. Automated Exploration Living in a wormhole is great for a month.... afterwards the thought of probing results in nobody willing to log in. Set up an Automated System that finds every signature in the system, takes 10 minutes per sig, leaves you AFK uncloaked outside the POS shields. There are a great many tasks in EVE that are repetitive and could greatly benefit from automation. Thank You Obama!
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 18962	Posted - 2014.01.19 16:55:00 - [2] - Quote So what you want is the X-series? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0.
voetius Caldari Provisions Caldari State 179	Posted - 2014.01.19 17:01:00 - [3] - Quote Tippia wrote: So what you want is the X-series? I don't think the developers of the X-Series have a copyright on good ideas, your point is?
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 18962	Posted - 2014.01.19 17:05:00 - [4] - Quote voetius wrote: I don't think the developers of the X-Series have a copyright on good ideas, your point is? My point is that it's not a good idea unless the point of your game is to create a self-going automation empire. The OP's problems are already solved in EVE: it's called GÇ£other playersGÇ¥. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0.
Holgrak Blacksmith European Research and Industry Corp 203	Posted - 2014.01.19 17:11:00 - [5] - Quote Quote: These are the three clearly defined issues that plague an eve user Nope, they're the reason that prepubescent drama queens don't stick around, and why eve players need balls of steel.
voetius Caldari Provisions Caldari State 179	Posted - 2014.01.19 17:22:00 - [6] - Quote Tippia wrote: voetius wrote: I don't think the developers of the X-Series have a copyright on good ideas, your point is? My point is that it's not a good idea unless the point of your game is to create a self-going automation empire. The OP's problems are already solved in EVE: it's called GÇ£other playersGÇ¥. Thank you for clarifying. I played the X-series up to Re-union, I wouldn't say it's totally automated but there is a heavy element of automation, more particlulary e.g. in setting up factories. On the OPs three points I would say that they are not clearly defined issues. The first just seems to be tautological and putting the conclusion before the argument. The third I don't even understand what point he is trying to make.
Ivan Krividus Straightedge and Compass Industrial The Crimson Tower 124	Posted - 2014.01.19 17:28:00 - [7] - Quote Eve is like that black, bruised van with tinted windows
Niding Peg-legged Goats Nihilists Social Club 39	Posted - 2014.01.19 17:32:00 - [8] - Quote Too much automation can easily be a bad thing. What makes EVE special is the wide range of "professions" you can specialize in. Be a pvper, miner, trader, builder, hauler/freighter etc. The list is long. These days I could not bother to mine again, ever. But I bought my first Apocolypse with the isk made in a 0.5 belt using a maller+miner II's+ratting. But I appriciate the amount of effort some guy/gal puts in to build and seed a battleship, carrier, etc on market on a larger scale. I might have made isk on loot from pvp. My isk end up in a industrialist pocket so I dont have to "waste my" time doing the "logistics run". We are dependent on eachother, like a society. And thats what EVE Online is all about.
Kimmi Chan Tastes Like Purple 653	Posted - 2014.01.19 17:42:00 - [9] - Quote Skill Training Online wrote: EVE is not a big truck. Big Trucks can move your stuff, and yourself in relative safety. The Ford F-150 even has an in-dash Global Positioning System, heated leather seats, and dual climate control. EVE is not a Ford F-150. If you want a truck, go buy a truck. Skill Training Online wrote: EVE is like a hand pump rail car it is often painful, it is horrifyingly slow, and it requires immense effort on the end user to get anything accomplished. Who buys hand pump rail cars? Do these even still exist? Skill Training Online wrote: EVE has a sincere lack of Chi, what is Chi you might ask? It is the inner power the human mind, if EVE were an animal it would be something cold blooded and fanged. EVE is the serpent, and as such it is without Chi. This post is remarkably lacking in Chi as well. "You should just create one thread and put all of your complaints in it instead of littering the forums with multiple threads." ~CCP Falcon Paranoia never killed anyone. -áA complete absence of it has.
ShahFluffers Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance 4725	Posted - 2014.01.19 19:04:00 - [10] - Quote "At best, EVE is like speeding around in a stolen Pinto... vintage cannonball cannon ducttaped to the roof... your arm around the shoulders of a dead hooker... and 20 guys armed with frying pans chasing you down on vespas. At worst... it's EXCEL spreadsheets in space." ~ Unknown OP... since this game basically spawns infinite resources over the long term, basic flight does not require any fuel, and money can be easily farmed there needs to be a way to create REAL VALUE for things in EVE. The Developers decided that value would be "time." Using your own hauling example... Moving around goods yourself doesn't have any real cost outside of time (you just need the ship to haul with). You don't want to spend that time moving stuff around. In fact... you may want to pay someone else to do it for you. This is how professions and employment niches are born. This "time sink" also creates logistical hassles for large groups as the more stuff that needs to be shuffled around, the more time needs to be set aside to performing the task. This is one of the major things limiting "power projection" in the game. That said... there are basic automation tools at your disposal OP. The auto-pilot function will take you all to the way to your chosen destination and it is a lot slower and riskier than piloting yourself (auto-pilot will warp to each stargate along the way at 15km and "slowboat" to it, leaving you open to being scouted). Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective.

Roel Yento Mercurialis Inc. RAZOR Alliance 32	Posted - 2014.01.19 19:31:00 - [11] - Quote Maybe i'm wrong but i thought chi was suppose to be inner energy of all living things and not specific to humans or our minds (different from brain but not seperate). So wouldn't a taoist see a snake as having it's own chi?
Abdiel Kavash Paladin Order Fidelas Constans 2668	Posted - 2014.01.19 20:36:00 - [12] - Quote It is a series of tubes. Those tubes can be filled and if they are filled, when you put your ship in, it gets in line and it's going to be delayed by anyone that puts into that tube enormous amounts of ships.
Tydeth Gilitae Magewright Artificers 59	Posted - 2014.01.20 00:30:00 - [13] - Quote Looks like a big truck to me... That truck exemplifies EVE: If at first you don't succeed, HTFU, refit, and try again. Their first try, fitted with a beefed up version of a regular bumper, got them snagged after the fourth pair. After looking back on what went wrong, they refitted with... that.
Remiel Pollard A Powerful Lowsec Corporation 2376	Posted - 2014.01.20 02:04:00 - [14] - Quote As soon as you used the word 'crafting', I knew EVE was not the game for you. EVE is about the players. The less automation, the better, because the whole idea is that it is the players that put in the effort. There are too many players in this game already who automate things with bots and the like, and a player on automation is little more than an NPC if you ask me, who has not got the same claims to New Eden that a player has. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita.
Lugalbandak Anunnaku Warfare Corp. 421	Posted - 2014.01.20 14:07:00 - [15] - Quote Remiel Pollard wrote: As soon as you used the word 'crafting', I knew EVE was not the game for you. EVE is about the players. The less automation, the better, because the whole idea is that it is the players that put in the effort. There are too many players in this game already who automate things with bots and the like, and a player on automation is little more than an NPC if you ask me, who has not got the same claims to New Eden that a player has. i agree , but some things are just click fest. The police horse is the only animal in the world that haz his male genitals on his back
Julius Rigel 123	Posted - 2014.01.20 14:24:00 - [16] - Quote Lugalbandak wrote: i agree , but some things are just click fest. No important things are click-fests. Yup, that's my opinion, and I'm sticking to it. Missions? Not important. Hacking? Not important. The stuff I'm doing? Well, I can't be a hypocrite. The stuff I do certainly is not important. For the most part, all the important things in EVE are pretty much as streamlined as they need to be. Heck, with all the streamlining that's been happening to the market interface in the past years, the market is almost too streamlined. Owned orders highlighted? Right click > Modify straight from the details window? Scrolling to play the 0.01 ISK game? Autopilot buttons to align, orbit, keep at range, even one that warps AND jumps in a single click... not a truck, you say? You kids need to get off my lawn. Do YOU like to undock?
Arduemont The State of War. 2914	Posted - 2014.01.20 14:41:00 - [17] - Quote Skill Training Online wrote: EVE has a sincere lack of Chi, what is Chi you might ask? It is the inner power the human mind, if EVE were an animal it would be something cold blooded and fanged. EVE is the serpent, and as such it is without Chi. Chi... seriously? Chi? I supose your going to tell us it is missing 'a soul', 'prana', 'ki', 'ghosts', 'goblins', 'unicorns', 'godzilla', and 'the invisible spaghetti monster' as well. Because that would all be true... I don't see that as a problem however, because the real world is also lacking in any of those things. "In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." www.stateofwar.co.nf
Petra Hakaari Stalking Wolfpack 83	Posted - 2014.01.20 14:41:00 - [18] - Quote Hmmmmh, okayhh........................? I beg your pardon, EvE its not a slow truck, eve its like an old fashioned 1965 Ford Mustang, it hasnt traction control nor abs not assisted direction nor... it just has horsepower, its up to you to learn to drive it. You can go back to wow now.
Petrus Blackshell Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance 2879	Posted - 2014.01.20 16:21:00 - [19] - Quote Eve is also lacking chai and a variety of other delicious drinks. Why is there no Earl Grey tea anywhere to be found? If you're actually serious about the "event trigger" idea: no. Time is a currency, and if you can't afford it that's your problem, not the game's. If you can't afford a new capital ship, should CCP just give you one? Rifterlings - small gang frigate PvP - lowsec pirate operation, newbie-friendly, free ship program; Join today! www.rifterlings.com Accidentally The Whole Frigate (blog) - Learning how to pew pew, one loss at a time - www.thewholefrigate.com
Billy McCandless The McCandless Clan Turing Tested 1	Posted - 2014.01.20 16:27:00 - [20] - Quote EvE has toilets Trucks don't have toilets. The glovebox can look like a toilet But thats a good way to get told "Get out of my truck"

Kimmi Chan Tastes Like Purple 668	Posted - 2014.01.20 16:31:00 - [21] - Quote Billy McCandless wrote: EvE has toilets Trucks don't have toilets. The glovebox can look like a toilet But thats a good way to get told "Get out of my truck" Or, "Stop shitting in my glove compartment!" "You should just create one thread and put all of your complaints in it instead of littering the forums with multiple threads." ~CCP Falcon Paranoia never killed anyone. -áA complete absence of it has.
Billy McCandless The McCandless Clan Turing Tested 1	Posted - 2014.01.20 16:34:00 - [22] - Quote Kimmi Chan wrote: Or, "Stop shitting in my glove compartment!" gasp You said a swear
Carmen Electra The Scope Gallente Federation 213	Posted - 2014.01.20 16:34:00 - [23] - Quote I don't understand this thread
Jace Sarice Pyre Falcon Defence Combine 25	Posted - 2014.01.20 16:36:00 - [24] - Quote I believe you are missing one of the M's in MMO. Trust your veins.
Kimmi Chan Tastes Like Purple 668	Posted - 2014.01.20 16:38:00 - [25] - Quote Billy McCandless wrote: Kimmi Chan wrote: Or, "Stop shitting in my glove compartment!" gasp You said a swear Fixed LOL "You should just create one thread and put all of your complaints in it instead of littering the forums with multiple threads." ~CCP Falcon Paranoia never killed anyone. -áA complete absence of it has.
Noxisia Arkana Deadspace Knights 61	Posted - 2014.01.20 16:51:00 - [26] - Quote I don't know where to go with this one. So I'll just say that whoever felt that the value of this game was time is the winner. Edit: Remember. Just like on "Who's Line Is It Anyway," the points do not matter. Chi? Seriously? Can we get a Chi rating scale? Maybe throw League of Legends and Planetside 2 on there so we can get a feel for the Chi?
jackncoke Jolly Codgers Get Off My Lawn 99	Posted - 2014.01.20 16:56:00 - [27] - Quote I would say - no. Every nieche and chore you have mentioned is allready being done by players. Thats what makes this a player driven game - sand box. Some aspects, like hauling stuff, are less then exciting. But they are like the by design. And they should stay that way. Untill20+ Tornados show on your overview Fixing something that isnt broken has never been a good idea. It is this difficulty of the game that separates EVE from rest of MMO herd.
Notorious Fellon Republic University Minmatar Republic 126	Posted - 2014.01.20 18:24:00 - [28] - Quote Carmen Electra wrote: I don't understand this thread Is there any space available on this wagon? I need a ride through this thread; more like a tour. Can anyone point out what the heck is going on here?
Kimmi Chan Tastes Like Purple 672	Posted - 2014.01.20 18:29:00 - [29] - Quote Notorious Fellon wrote: Carmen Electra wrote: I don't understand this thread Is there any space available on this wagon? I need a ride through this thread; more like a tour. Can anyone point out what the heck is going on here? It's about trucks. And juice. "You should just create one thread and put all of your complaints in it instead of littering the forums with multiple threads." ~CCP Falcon Paranoia never killed anyone. -áA complete absence of it has.
Khergit Deserters Crom's Angels 2647	Posted - 2014.01.20 18:48:00 - [30] - Quote Roel Yento wrote: Maybe i'm wrong but i thought chi was suppose to be inner energy of all living things and not specific to humans or our minds (different from brain but not seperate). So wouldn't a taoist see a snake as having it's own chi? Yes, a snake has chi. It's distinct from human chi and very identifiable as snake chi. In fact, they have so much chi that they're revered around the world. The snake in the Chinese zodiac, India's kundalini energy, Europe's caduceus, etc.



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