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Matrices Sunbound	Posted - 2006.03.25 19:31:00 - [1] Edited by: Matrices Sunbound on 25/03/2006 19:33:23 Edited by: Matrices Sunbound on 25/03/2006 19:32:51 Well I've been playing around with Tempest setups for a long time(in Quickfit) and I think I've found pretty good one. Just to let you know I have many Variations from it and I want to know which one is the best for solo pvp. Highs: 4x 650mm t2 arty cannons 2x 650mm carbines 2x Knave heavy nos Mids: Electrochemical heavy cap booster 20km disruptor X5 webber Lif rocket AB(or a t2 ab) t2 tracking disruptor Lows: 2x LAR 'Accomadation Vestment' 2x t2 adaptive nano t2 gyrostab nano Tracking disruptor strat.: My strategy against other Bs's is to Ab around them at 12km and use the tracking disruptor. I'm not sure if a Tempest can orbit at 12 km or less though. But I can orbit at 5km in my cyclone with a nano. Although it takes a lot of clicking. With the enemies tracking halved I don't think they will hit a lot. -------------------------------------- ECM strat: I could replace the TD and webber with a couple multispecs but that will do minimal jamming. And my ability to kill smaller targets is gone. Would 3 webber drones help at all? To make jamming a little more effective would it be better to put 2 ECM bursts instead of multispecs. I've heard they suck but they seem much more powerful with little range But They would webbed by drones while im going 450m/s towards them. -------------------------------------- Anti-Domi strat: Put three nos to counter the Domi's nos. Keep the webber to kill his drones. Get rid of the nano for another gyrostab since I only have 5 guns now. Kill a 1or 2 drones and leave it at that so maybe he won't notice. -------------------------------------- Tanking Question: Instead of putting 2 t2 adaptive nanos Maybe I should put 3 hardeners. Passive resists are 80,40,50,60. Active resists are 70,55,60,67. The only meaningful difference I see here is the Explosive resistance. This is Quite a lot of things to discuss presented at once. Opinions?
Chode Rizoum	Posted - 2006.03.25 20:06:00 - [2] hmmmm dude... why the tech II / tech I mix... dont you have eng V ? and a nano in low ? and dude dont use AB on a tempest.. ôThe harder the battle, the sweeter the victory.ö
Laythun	Posted - 2006.03.25 20:54:00 - [3] your tempest is not a cyclone, dont treat it like one. --------------------------------------------- If im flaming or not contributing im sorry, but im trying to get into th [23]
Matrices Sunbound	Posted - 2006.03.25 20:59:00 - [4] Dont have the cpu or pg to and full t2 rack of guns. In quickfit I set the skills to engineering 5 and adv. weapon upgrades to 4. Nos an LAR aren't exactly light pg users. I'm not treating it like a cyclone I'm using the cyclone as a reference to estimate the tempests agility.
Laythun	Posted - 2006.03.25 21:09:00 - [5] Originally by: Matrices Sunbound Dont have the cpu or pg to and full t2 rack of guns. In quickfit I set the skills to engineering 5 and adv. weapon upgrades to 4. Nos an LAR aren't exactly light pg users. I'm not treating it like a cyclone I'm using the cyclone as a reference to estimate the tempests agility. dual rep tank = bad tempest --------------------------------------------- If im flaming or not contributing im sorry, but im trying to get into th [23]
Matrices Sunbound	Posted - 2006.03.25 21:30:00 - [6] Any armor tank without dual rep is not a very strong one. I've used the cap simulator and I can keep everything running for 2 minutes without having to reload cap booster. iN a real situation 1vs1 2 reppers won't be on all the time. Btw read the bottom of my post. I want some opinions on my variations please.
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.03.25 22:27:00 - [7] Originally by: Laythun dual rep tank = bad tempest erm... Originally by: Tassi Projectile very overpowdered
Chode Rizoum	Posted - 2006.03.25 22:32:00 - [8] Originally by: Laythun Originally by: Matrices Sunbound Dont have the cpu or pg to and full t2 rack of guns. In quickfit I set the skills to engineering 5 and adv. weapon upgrades to 4. Nos an LAR aren't exactly light pg users. I'm not treating it like a cyclone I'm using the cyclone as a reference to estimate the tempests agility. dual rep tank = bad tempest ôThe harder the battle, the sweeter the victory.ö
Aloysius Knight	Posted - 2006.03.25 22:48:00 - [9] Originally by: Laythun Originally by: Matrices Sunbound Dont have the cpu or pg to and full t2 rack of guns. In quickfit I set the skills to engineering 5 and adv. weapon upgrades to 4. Nos an LAR aren't exactly light pg users. I'm not treating it like a cyclone I'm using the cyclone as a reference to estimate the tempests agility. dual rep tank = bad tempest noob
Matrices Sunbound	Posted - 2006.03.25 22:57:00 - [10] Originally by: Aloysius Knight Originally by: Laythun Originally by: Matrices Sunbound Dont have the cpu or pg to and full t2 rack of guns. In quickfit I set the skills to engineering 5 and adv. weapon upgrades to 4. Nos an LAR aren't exactly light pg users. I'm not treating it like a cyclone I'm using the cyclone as a reference to estimate the tempests agility. dual rep tank = bad tempest noob OMG HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO SAY THIS IS IN QUICK FIT AND I HAVE ELECTRONICS AND ENGINEERING SET TO LEVEL 5. NOT TO MENTION ADV. ENG. TO LEVEL 4
Mike Yagon	Posted - 2006.03.25 22:59:00 - [11] Originally by: Matrices Sunbound Originally by: Aloysius Knight Originally by: Laythun Originally by: Matrices Sunbound Dont have the cpu or pg to and full t2 rack of guns. In quickfit I set the skills to engineering 5 and adv. weapon upgrades to 4. Nos an LAR aren't exactly light pg users. I'm not treating it like a cyclone I'm using the cyclone as a reference to estimate the tempests agility. dual rep tank = bad tempest noob OMG HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO SAY THIS IS IN QUICK FIT AND I HAVE ELECTRONICS AND ENGINEERING SET TO LEVEL 5. NOT TO MENTION ADV. ENG. TO LEVEL 4 I think they are talking about the guy who said dual rep tank = bad tempest.
Matrices Sunbound	Posted - 2006.03.25 23:03:00 - [12] Btw doesn't anyone anything intelligent to say about my tracking disruptor setup, ECM setup or anti-Domi setup? (at the bottom of the Author's page) 1. Is it worth it to use a tracking disruptor? Will it actually destroy theier tracking ability or make them miss a couple times? 2. Are 2 multi-specs gonna jam at all? Should I use ECM burst? Is ECM worth getting rid of a webber. 3. Will my anti-domi setup actually kill a Domi?
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.03.25 23:08:00 - [13] Originally by: Matrices Sunbound Btw doesn't anyone anything intelligent to say about my tracking disruptor setup, ECM setup or anti-Domi setup? (at the bottom of the Author's page) 1. Is it worth it to use a tracking disruptor? Will it actually destroy theier tracking ability or make them miss a couple times? 2. Are 2 multi-specs gonna jam at all? Should I use ECM burst? Is ECM worth getting rid of a webber. 3. Will my anti-domi setup actually kill a Domi? 1) Use ECM - works against more ships than a tracking disruptor, including the 2 main ships you'll have the most trouble with (raven and domi) 2) Yes, No, No. Your midslots should be AB/MWD, 20k, Web, Heavy Cap Booster, ECM Multispec 3) Probably not Originally by: Tassi Projectile very overpowdered
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.03.25 23:16:00 - [14] btw, with awu4 you can fit 5 t2 guns and 1 t1 named, named t1 ab, 2 nos, 2 reps and a heavy cap booster. Drop to 2 scouts and you can have the t2 ab Originally by: Tassi Projectile very overpowdered
Ras Blumin	Posted - 2006.03.25 23:21:00 - [15] Originally by: Sarmaul Your midslots should be AB/MWD, 20k, Web, Heavy Cap Booster, ECM Multispec Only for solo imo. A dirty job - Released 2006.01.02
Chode Rizoum	Posted - 2006.03.25 23:26:00 - [16] Originally by: Ras Blumin Originally by: Sarmaul Your midslots should be AB/MWD, 20k, Web, Heavy Cap Booster, ECM Multispec Only for solo imo. atm we are not talking about scenerios. just the standard AC tempest. ... ôThe harder the battle, the sweeter the victory.ö
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.03.25 23:32:00 - [17] Originally by: Ras Blumin Originally by: Sarmaul Your midslots should be AB/MWD, 20k, Web, Heavy Cap Booster, ECM Multispec Only for solo imo. original post, first paragraph Originally by: Tassi Projectile very overpowdered
Matrices Sunbound	Posted - 2006.03.25 23:35:00 - [18] Ras Blumin: This is supposed to be a solo pvp setup Thank you for answering my questions Sarmaul. Now I can get into a little more detail. My disagreement is what is the point of one multispec? You will have less than 20% chance of jamming. ECM burst jam longer and have more strength. Lose the webber to put in 2 ECM burst will give me the jamming power of 3 multispecs. Using 3 webber drones will slow the enemy down by 65%. Good enough vs. cruisers, BS, HACs and t1 frigs. Inties will have to eat my nos if they want me scrambled. Then there is the simple matter of getting in range. That's what an mwd is for. btw domi's not that good right? (Just kiddin)
Ras Blumin	Posted - 2006.03.25 23:35:00 - [19] lol >_< A dirty job - Released 2006.01.02
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.03.25 23:43:00 - [20] I'm editing your post to make replying easier Originally by: Matrices Sunbound 1) My disagreement is what is the point of one multispec? You will have less than 20% chance of jamming. 2) ECM burst jam longer and have more strength. Lose the webber to put in 2 ECM burst will give me the jamming power of 3 multispecs. 3) Using 3 webber drones will slow the enemy down by 65%. Good enough vs. cruisers, BS, HACs and t1 frigs. Inties will have to eat my nos if they want me scrambled. Then there is the simple matter of getting in range. That's what an mwd is for. 1) The point is that there are far better things to fit in that other midslot, like a web. When that megathron lands on top of you, you're gonna need that web in order to move away from it as I garentee you it will have one fitted 2) I see you don't know how ECM burst works :). ECM burst only breaks the target lock - they can try and relock you straight away. The duration listed on the module is how often you can do this, not how often they stay jammed for 3) Except all those ships will shoot down the webber drones the moment they see them, and it still won't be enough to stand a chance vs a frigate. I personally would pack 5 light drones (frigates) and 2 heavy drones (battleships, slow hacs). The nos will disable the frigate, and the light drones will chew it up. Originally by: Tassi Projectile very overpowdered
Ricardo ilMagnifico	Posted - 2006.03.27 05:24:00 - [21] Originally by: Sarmaul Originally by: Matrices Sunbound 3. Will my anti-domi setup actually kill a Domi? 3) Probably not What about adding a smartbomb for the drones? So highs would be 5x650s / Smartbomb / 2xNos. Domi's don't do any damage with no drones...
t0bor	Posted - 2006.03.27 06:39:00 - [22] Originally by: Ricardo ilMagnifico Originally by: Sarmaul Originally by: Matrices Sunbound 3. Will my anti-domi setup actually kill a Domi? 3) Probably not What about adding a smartbomb for the drones? So highs would be 5x650s / Smartbomb / 2xNos. Domi's don't do any damage with no drones... Only 1 smartbomb would take too long to kill his drones to be effective... more than 30 seconds. And then hes got more to replace then ones you kill. If you were to do this, i would replace one of the heavy nos with the sb and not a gun. in a solo tempest...its probably best to stay away from domis _______________________________________________________ The Real McCoy
Mad'Mike Banks	Posted - 2006.03.27 08:14:00 - [23] Originally by: Chode Rizoum hmmmm dude... why the tech II / tech I mix... dont you have eng V ? and a nano in low ? and dude dont use AB on a tempest.. Doesnt fit nub :P u either got to use dual 425, 1 large and 1 med nos, maybe 2 accos not sure
HadHaFangs	Posted - 2006.03.27 08:38:00 - [24] using medium guns kills both the tempest ship bonuses ROF and Dmg to large guns, fit 425's leave the mediums at home or pick another ship.
Mad'Mike Banks	Posted - 2006.03.27 08:40:00 - [25] Originally by: HadHaFangs using medium guns kills both the tempest ship bonuses ROF and Dmg to large guns, fit 425's leave the mediums at home or pick another ship. Pretty sure he means dual 650s, also noticed the nano, drop it for another gyro, the tanks weak u need as much damage as possible
Testy Mctest	Posted - 2006.03.27 08:43:00 - [26] Originally by: Laythun Originally by: Matrices Sunbound Dont have the cpu or pg to and full t2 rack of guns. In quickfit I set the skills to engineering 5 and adv. weapon upgrades to 4. Nos an LAR aren't exactly light pg users. I'm not treating it like a cyclone I'm using the cyclone as a reference to estimate the tempests agility. dual rep tank = bad tempest roflcopter. To the OP, the problem with your setup is that while it's a nice idea, it simply won't work in pvp. It doesn't have the DPS to take down a real tank, and its use requires too specific circumstances to work. It's my policy never to say "don't fly x ship until you have y skillpoints" but at the moment, your skills aren't high enough to make the ship really work for you - as a minimum you need to be using large guns and have engi/elec 5 to be able to be able to fit them. They shoudln't be too much training for you. Testy's Eve Blog!
Mad'Mike Banks	Posted - 2006.03.27 09:00:00 - [27] Also dont use bursts.... sadly tho ECM is the best option over a trackign disrupter cos your main problem will be vs ravens and ecm'ing domi's, if you drop the web for another ecm you'll find it hard dealing with smaller ships and hacs
Chode Rizoum	Posted - 2006.03.27 12:32:00 - [28] Originally by: Mad'Mike Banks Originally by: Chode Rizoum hmmmm dude... why the tech II / tech I mix... dont you have eng V ? and a nano in low ? and dude dont use AB on a tempest.. Doesnt fit nub :P u either got to use dual 425, 1 large and 1 med nos, maybe 2 accos not sure i been using dual 425 for so long lol. have no idea about dual 650 setups anymore ôThe harder the battle, the sweeter the victory.ö
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.03.27 12:44:00 - [29] Originally by: Chode Rizoum Originally by: Mad'Mike Banks Originally by: Chode Rizoum hmmmm dude... why the tech II / tech I mix... dont you have eng V ? and a nano in low ? and dude dont use AB on a tempest.. Doesnt fit nub :P u either got to use dual 425, 1 large and 1 med nos, maybe 2 accos not sure i been using dual 425 for so long lol. have no idea about dual 650 setups anymore d650 setups are the same but you have to use best named instead of t2 and can only fit an ab unless you slap a fitting mod on Originally by: Tassi Projectile very overpowdered

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