One week, a permanent fixture of the political landscape, the next; a handful of legal holdings in storage. Something to ponder there.

Sometimes, it's worth being reminded even of the obvious.

"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end.
But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning."

Such a shame, another dream snuffed out in the night.

I guess this means that Imperial Human Resources will now never get their apology or compensation.

I guess this means that Imperial Human Resources will now never get their apology or compensation.

No, I think the bill just passes on to Gradient, Re-Awakened, and MUFF. One doesn't just wipe the record clean of such things, after all.

Del Vikus, a bold step to declare no dreams have been snuffed. While I have no doubts the future will bring new challenges, dreams and fulfilment, I still have my doubts over how they will be revealed.

I guess this means that Imperial Human Resources will now never get their apology or compensation.

The only discussion I am interested in having with a terrorist dog like yourself involves a pulse laser.

At least our ideas for a discussion are somewhat similar, though, to be fair, I was thinking of just beating you to death with something flat and dull.... possibly PIE's sense of humour.

If you wish, I can arrange for whatever debt we may owe to them to be paid.

I will be more than happy to deliver everything we owe them, in full.

We Amarrians are a peaceful people

We Amarrians are a peaceful people but it would seem that your continuing aggression will ensure that the MUFF/PIE hostility will continue for some time yet.

How can you claim that your people are peaceful when the first response to my proposal of a sit down discussion was met by threats of laser fire?

It's like saying you're on a diet while trying to hide the mountains of dessert trolleys behind your ample bed curtains.

They don't have a choice.

If you seriously wanted to speak on matters of peace, I doubt that PIE would be the people to talk to. Not that PIE is unreasonable, they're simply not the ones who propagate the warfare, you can blame the CEWPA for that. We would have to reverse the legislation to stop the warfare. Having you and PIE sit down to discuss terms of peace would be a bit like having two field sergeants sit down to discuss trade legislation. The best way to work towards that would be to pressure our own governments to work towards greater cooperation.

In the meantime, the soldiers will have to keep fighting. They don't have a choice.

I would have to check my records for precise numbers, but I believe their losses were a number of merchant vessels and a large quantity of slaves.

Will Gradient really deliver slaves to the Empire?

I think you may be getting your wires crossed slightly there pilot. I don't think we're talking about what you think we're talking about.....

Somehow, I think the Matari Navy would take exception to me coming by. But do let me know if you are ever planning a trip my direction so that I can make the proper arrangements with CONCORD in advance.

Good luck with your dance.

I think you may be getting your wires crossed slightly there pilot. I don't think we're talking about what you think we're talking about.....

[We maintain that PIE can go take a collective long walk out of a short airlock without the benefit of protective clothing.

I guess this means that Imperial Human Resources will now never get their apology or compensation.

He's right you know Constantin.

To be exact a long time before the militias were created EM pilots, in company with others, intercepted a transport belonging to a firm called Imperial Human Resources. It was our understanding that they were carrying illegally (even by Imperial standards) obtained Republican citizens. The transport was destroyed and it's passengers returned to the Republic.

PIE maintains that this was an attack on a legitimate Imperial business concern and fought a mutual war against us for some years. It varied between raiding and full blown battleship squadron fights.

We maintain that PIE can go take a collective long walk out of a short airlock without the benefit of protective clothing.

Forgive me, I thought the conversation had become a bit less adolescent. I apologize.

The only apology owed is that more of you were not killed and your stench purged from New Eden.
The idea that any amarr slave cultist could fix their lips to ask for compensation is laughable

Forgive me, I thought the conversation had become a bit less adolescent. I apologize.

Please, do continue.

Constantin. PIE are long-term foes. I, personally, respect their dedication and professionalism. However I have no time for the cause they demonstrate those qualities for.

Wishing destruction and frustration upon one's enemies is hardly adolescent.

Attempting to appear intelligent by making snide remarks at other people's adolescence is pretty adolescent, though.

/me flips her hair and rolls her eyes, and says, in a Caille-girl accent, "Oh grow up!"

Obviously, they want each other to die (and to cause mass suffering among the crews of their enemies).

Obviously, they want each other to die (and to cause mass suffering among the crews of their enemies). It isn't necessary that they understand the violence in absolute terms; it makes being a soldier difficult. I can't hide that sometimes, when you're hearing about a few thousand people dying in a single day, it makes my skin crawl when we treat the warzone like some sort of game.

I grow ever more weary of your attempts to try and show that you understand the world better than those of us fighting to defend Amarr. I especially grow weary of your suggestions that we do not understand the violence we are involved in every day.

We are fully aware of the violence we contemplate, and we have a far better idea about why that violence is happening than you with your platitudes about peace. That violence happens because if it did not then Amarrians who have not volunteered for the defense of Amarr would die. I do not think that you understand what attaining peace means. Attaining peace means that the enemies of the outside have to be defeated and the enemies of the inside controlled. It means that the servants of Amarr must stand together behind our Empress, behind our institutions, our great Empire.

So long as we are at war with the Republic it is *every* Amarrian's duty to work to prosecute that war or to help Amarr survive that war. This idea that you can preach peace is rising above your station. It is claiming a role you do not have and indulging in free thought, which only brings disorder.

If the Empress calls for peace with the Republic, then we work for peace. Not until then.

But the war between the Republic and Empire is not the point of this thread, the point of this thread is the disbandment of an old organization hostile to Amarr that PIE Inc has been in conflict with since 108 YC. If you think our "banter" is juvenile, you are free to, but the fact is that I respect many of the foes that I have spent the last decade fighting far more than I respect someone who does not understand loyalty. They have proven that they are formidable threats to the Empire and that they believe in their cause enough to truly work to protect it.

That their cause is in fact evil is entirely beside the point. Those few former-EM members who remember when this fight started have the potential to make valuable assets for the Empire should it ever come to pass that they realize the falseness of their current path and accept the path of the Chosen. Given the curse of pod pilot immortality, they might even live long enough for that to happen.

Until then, we kill them when we see them so that they cannot harm Amarrians.

...I have to try my best to promote cross-cultural understanding .

That their cause is in fact evil is entirely beside the point. Those few former-EM members who remember when this fight started have the potential to make valuable assets for the Empire should it ever come to pass that they realize the falseness of their current path and accept the path of the Chosen. Given the curse of pod pilot immortality, they might even live long enough for that to happen.

Those few former-EM members who remember when this fight started have the potential to make valuable assets......

I believe I've found the root of your problems, dear.


It has never been for the people of Amarr to promote 'cross cultural understanding.'

It has always been for the Amarr to impose others to understand our culture. At the point of a sword, the end of a rifle, or through the pages of scripture.

Our will upon others, not others' will upon us.


It's an old point to be making but most of the Empire's current failings stem from forgetting this simple truth.

And how's that all worked out for you? The Jove spanked you and sent you packing at Vak'Atioth and we rose up and kicked you out of our space. You just got lucky at Mekhios in that your zombie queen happened upon some one-shot, one time use piece of technology and turned up just in the nick of time.

Anyway, why are you so big on defending the people who view you as a heretic and murderer?

And how's that all worked out for you? The Jove spanked you and sent you packing at Vak'Atioth and we rose up and kicked you out of our space. You just got lucky at Mekhios in that your zombie queen happened upon some one-shot, one time use piece of technology and turned up just in the nick of time.

Anyway, why are you so big on defending the people who view you as a heretic and murderer?

The only way I'll ever be an asset to your type will be if I rig several doomsday devices to one of my hulls and detonate the entire bloody thing into Amarr Prime.

Anyway, back to all of our collective happy dances at EM dissolving, yes?

I for one will be wary in case the cancer of EM metastises

Even now you still try to treat us as cattle, or mere objects.

The only way I'll ever be an asset to your type will be if I rig several doomsday devices to one of my hulls and detonate the entire bloody thing into Amarr Prime.

Not sure how that's an asset to you exactly, but I don't care, the principle stands.

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Well you know what they say about Heretical clocks, yes?

They are still right twice a day.


That you would rather trade words and "cultural understanding" with these sorts of Matari instead of being thankful for their misfortune speaks volumes.

In a larger context it means on some of the important issues, the gulf between much of the True Amarr and myself is a good deal narrower than the gulf between your outlook and theirs.


Perhaps you can start a separate discussion on this issue, I'd love to delve further.

A very wise choice there.... you never know what's around the corner.

Oh I don't know about that. You've always been pretty predictable.

I simply find all life to have value, I can't say that human suffering is good for any person simply because they've been raised in a different part of space and in a divorced culture. That the destruction of the Elder Fleet was necessary is not up for debate. Whether the loss of life was a good thing is. There wasn't a way to avoid it, but that doesn't mean we should be pleased that so many had to die in the name of our security. Killing is a necessary act to be done in defense of the Empire, not something to be proud of or pleased about.

If you would like to debate whether we should engage in imperial schaudenfreude, I would be perfectly willing to engage you in that debate.

lack [/b]of faith. It is the main reason why I feel the empire is based around a lie, and must be resisted.

A secondary reason is the existence of twisted mirrors of the Imperial mainstream like Vitalia and her ilk, or those idiots in the Equilibrium of Mankind. The empire does seem to spawn this sort of thing on a depressingly regular basis. So much so that I suspect it started as a particularly energetic heresy itself.

I find these news sad for minmatar and thukker community.

I fought alongside EM in my previous life.