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Malcolm Shinhwa
Bad Touches
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Posted - 2014.01.23 15:38:00 -
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A friend and I were stalking some guys running sites in a C4. We were in stealth bombers. All the guys left the site when the sleepers were dead and within a few seconds the noctis warps in and begins doing his work. My friend and I are of course cloaked and probably a few km from each other and about 200k from the noctis. We get distracted by our scout reporting a Loki decloaking near the wh we came through. So we decide not to shoot the noctis in that site, but wait until the next one. The noctis cloaks in the site he just finished.
Now this is where the weird happens.
Another minute or two goes by and the site, an anom but I don't remember which one, despawns. When it despawns, both my sb and the noctis, but not my friend's sb, decloak. I was still 200k from the noctis. I cloak back up as soon as the ship will let me, but of course the game is up and all the sudden a legion and loki warp in to escort their sleeper loot filled noctis. We go home sad and poor.
Is there something about the site despawning that would have decloaked us? Other than "don't be there" is there something I should have done to not get decloaked?
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Blademaster Hattori
Flying With Animals
Animal Farms
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Posted - 2014.01.23 16:10:00 -
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I have not seen that myself. I have had random decloaks but I have put that down to me using two screens and clicking in the wrong place or something :)
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Lloyd Roses
Blue-Fire
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Posted - 2014.01.23 16:26:00 -
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Not sure if this is consistent, but we had stuff decloaking (and dying) when they were on grid with a wormhole being rolled. So apparently a rolled wormhole sometimes decloaks things. (Shot a 2bil loki+pod-combo thanks to that though)
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Rall Mekin
End-of-Line
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Posted - 2014.01.23 16:35:00 -
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Sounds like a bug that should be reported.
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Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings
Situation: Normal
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Posted - 2014.01.23 16:38:00 -
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Sounds like you waited too long. 2 SB's woulda dropped the noctis and scooped the loot before escorts would have made it on grid.
Seriously though, sounds like a potential bug. |
MadbaM
Hard Knocks Inc.
Kill It With Fire
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Posted - 2014.01.23 16:40:00 -
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A site won't de-spawn whilst your sat in it, so something about your story is a bit off so i can't advise on that. I suspect you went close to something you don't have enabled on your overview. |
Malcolm Shinhwa
Bad Touches
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Posted - 2014.01.23 16:43:00 -
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Derath Ellecon wrote:Sounds like you waited too long. 2 SB's woulda dropped the noctis and scooped the loot before escorts would have made it on grid.
Seriously though, sounds like a potential bug.
Yes we did wait too long. We thought we had the fleet all accounted for. But a suddenly appearing Loki on the wh route home caused enough soul searching for the noctis to finish and cloak. We had a bm right next to him from the wrecks so we could have decloaked him. But while working that out, the random decloaking happened.
Bug it is then.
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A site won't de-spawn whilst your sat in it, so something about your story is a bit off so i can't advise on that. I suspect you went close to something you don't have enabled on your overview.
If all the participants are cloaked, I've seen them despawn. Lost out on a radar site before because of that. I thought at first I was near something, but the noctis and I decloaked at the same time and were 200km from each other. Just no idea why the other sb pilot didn't decloak.
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Nightingale Actault
The Night Crew
The Night Crew Alliance
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Posted - 2014.01.23 16:47:00 -
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Combat sites will despawn even with players in them (possibly only when said players are cloaked).
When a combat site despawns it will decloak any ships that are cloaked in the site.
My experience with this is the result of 1000s of combat sites running Noctis. Unsure where the difference from the other posters come from. |
Batelle
Komm susser Tod
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Posted - 2014.01.23 18:13:00 -
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despawning is normal, and I've seen it cause my ship to decloak once or twice.
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LUMINOUS SPIRIT
The Dark Space Initiative
Scary Wormhole People
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Posted - 2014.01.23 18:13:00 -
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MadbaM wrote:A site won't de-spawn whilst your sat in it, so something about your story is a bit off so i can't advise on that. I suspect you went close to something you don't have enabled on your overview.
site do despawn on you. once you hack the first can, timer starts ticking. in two hours or whatever, site despawns even if you are in it. happened to me plenty of times. |
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D3m0n sam
End-of-Line
36
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Posted - 2014.01.23 18:15:00 -
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guys from our corp have had that happen. randomly uncloaking on poses without even doing anything and being killed. |
Lloyd Roses
Blue-Fire
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Posted - 2014.01.23 18:19:00 -
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D3m0n sam wrote:guys from our corp have had that happen. randomly uncloaking on poses without even doing anything and being killed.
That's different, if that happens you just tried to decloak on the wrong account.
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Kalel Nimrott
Sky Fighters
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Posted - 2014.01.23 19:33:00 -
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It happened to me once. But the weird thing its that it only happened to me once.
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Soldarius
Deadman W0nderland
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2014.01.23 21:32:00 -
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I have been in sites when they despawn. But never had a site despawn cause me to decloak, nor should it imo. I recommend filing a bug report.
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Andrew Jester
Jester's Hole
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Posted - 2014.01.24 00:45:00 -
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From what I remember, it's happened to me every time we leave our Noctis in the site cloaked after it's done salvaging. |
Peter Moonlight
Direwolf-Rayet
skylian Verge
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Posted - 2014.01.24 02:40:00 -
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Confirming that i had spontaneous decloaking happen, specially when in map mode and in warp to somewhere, from time to time it just happens that ship decloaks, i thought it's just me then a few mates told me the same thing, and when i saw this thread i was sure. Anyway the thing that happens also, when you are dual-boxing (in my case) and you press F5 for example to decloak on the selected eve screen, the other account decloaks also, it's not really often but it happens for sure. |
Kirkwood Ross
Golden Profession
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Posted - 2014.01.24 03:56:00 -
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MadbaM wrote:A site won't de-spawn whilst your sat in it, so something about your story is a bit off so i can't advise on that. I suspect you went close to something you don't have enabled on your overview.
Sites now despawn if no one is in them or the ships are cloaked. |
Svodola Darkfury
Heaven's End
League of Infamy
358
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Posted - 2014.01.24 04:27:00 -
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MadbaM wrote:A site won't de-spawn whilst your sat in it, so something about your story is a bit off so i can't advise on that. I suspect you went close to something you don't have enabled on your overview.
Sites will despawn if there are no visible targets inside of it in C4s (maybe other areas of wormhole space?), causing all cloaked entities within to despawn. It could be a bug or just CCP weirdness.
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Red Garsk
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Posted - 2014.01.24 06:02:00 -
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Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:A friend and I were stalking some guys running sites in a C4. We were in stealth bombers. All the guys left the site when the sleepers were dead and within a few seconds the noctis warps in and begins doing his work. My friend and I are of course cloaked and probably a few km from each other and about 200k from the noctis. We get distracted by our scout reporting a Loki decloaking near the wh we came through. So we decide not to shoot the noctis in that site, but wait until the next one. The noctis cloaks in the site he just finished.
Now this is where the weird happens.
Another minute or two goes by and the site, an anom but I don't remember which one, despawns. When it despawns, both my sb and the noctis, but not my friend's sb, decloak. I was still 200k from the noctis. I cloak back up as soon as the ship will let me, but of course the game is up and all the sudden a legion and loki warp in to escort their sleeper loot filled noctis. We go home sad and poor.
Is there something about the site despawning that would have decloaked us? Other than "don't be there" is there something I should have done to not get decloaked?
I can confirm that this happens when a site despawns and you are cloaked in it. I don't know if it's an intentional or if it's a bug. |
Mortlake
Somalian Coast Guard Authority
The Marmite Collective
49
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Posted - 2014.01.24 09:40:00 -
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Confirming I've de-cloaked in a despawning site.
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D3m0n sam
End-of-Line
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Posted - 2014.01.24 12:40:00 -
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Lloyd Roses wrote:D3m0n sam wrote:guys from our corp have had that happen. randomly uncloaking on poses without even doing anything and being killed. That's different, if that happens you just tried to decloak on the wrong account.
Well that would be possible if i was running a second account at that point, to which i wasn't/ and even if i was that character would of been docked on in a pos.
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Rroff
Questionable Ethics.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
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Posted - 2014.01.24 13:38:00 -
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D3m0n sam wrote:Lloyd Roses wrote:D3m0n sam wrote:guys from our corp have had that happen. randomly uncloaking on poses without even doing anything and being killed. That's different, if that happens you just tried to decloak on the wrong account. Well that would be possible if i was running a second account at that point, to which i wasn't/ and even if i was that character would of been docked on in a pos.
Seen a few people complain about randomly decloaking on a POS - assumed they done it accidentally or something but enough complaints that there is potentially an issue there.
Didn't know about the decloak if a combat site despawns though (something I'll have to remember to keep in mind - not had it happen to me in the past but I've not been that active for the last few months) but was aware they despawn if there is no uncloaked player on grid.
Have noticed an increased number of random decloaks though - usually midwarp which I'd put down to assuming I'd crosswarped someone or something that had caused the decloak and left it at that. |
Le'Mon Tichim
End-of-Line
119
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Posted - 2014.01.24 16:52:00 -
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Lloyd Roses wrote:D3m0n sam wrote:guys from our corp have had that happen. randomly uncloaking on poses without even doing anything and being killed. That's different, if that happens you just tried to decloak on the wrong account.
That's the thing, we've had two pilots experience this, one of which has multiple accounts, but only had one logged on at the time, and the other pilot has just his one toon.
The latter though is responsible for the phrase "I'm tired of my Tengu, I'll just let the sleepers kill it," so it's entirely possible he was tired of his Manticore...
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Johnson 1044
Johnson Organic Produce
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Posted - 2014.01.25 01:51:00 -
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It has happened to me as well. |
Malcolm Rennolds
Inquisition FiS Division
Surely You're Joking
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Posted - 2014.01.26 03:41:00 -
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In my experience sites despawn if you're cloaked in them. I've had it decloak me out to 250km, but never past that. I've also had it not decloak me when I was closer than 100km. Personal theory is distance from object, not distance from beacon. If true, in the largest site this could mean you'd have to be 350/400 off depending on the number and position of large collidable objects.
All that said, if you've got 2 SB's and the noctics is alone on field it should be dead. You're waiting too long to gank. The second it's alone it's go time.
The other weird decloaking I've had is fricking gas sites. 50km off both clouds (not visual, 50km off clouds on overview), overview tab with ALL on-grid objects and nothing showing within 20km and yet... cloak drops. This I've seen 3 times, each time in a gas site. Now I'm extra careful about collecting warp-ins for gas sites. |
Klarion Sythis
End-of-Line
224
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Posted - 2014.01.26 09:05:00 -
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Prior to being in EOL, I had a scanner cloaked in a safe spot in a hole I was going to expo. Went afk a while, came back to my pod in a station. Created the safe while cloaked and warping, no other accounts running at the time, no animals to stroll across my keyboard. I'm a believer in cloak glitches, however rare they may be. |
Alundil
Sky Fighters
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Posted - 2014.01.27 22:27:00 -
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Andrew Jester wrote:From what I remember, it's happened to me every time we leave our Noctis in the site cloaked after it's done salvaging.
leaving the site and coming back to a bookmark once it's already despawned resolves this potential issue
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Alundil
Sky Fighters
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Posted - 2014.01.27 22:28:00 -
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Malcolm Rennolds wrote:In my experience sites despawn if you're cloaked in them. I've had it decloak me out to 250km, but never past that. I've also had it not decloak me when I was closer than 100km. Personal theory is distance from object, not distance from beacon. If true, in the largest site this could mean you'd have to be 350/400 off depending on the number and position of large collidable objects.
All that said, if you've got 2 SB's and the noctics is alone on field it should be dead. You're waiting too long to gank. The second it's alone it's go time.
The other weird decloaking I've had is fricking gas sites. 50km off both clouds (not visual, 50km off clouds on overview), overview tab with ALL on-grid objects and nothing showing within 20km and yet... cloak drops. This I've seen 3 times, each time in a gas site. Now I'm extra careful about collecting warp-ins for gas sites.
Yes - I've experienced this same thing once in a gas site. Was very frustrating since I was 30km away from the nearest everything. sigh :ccp
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Rall Mekin
End-of-Line
225
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Posted - 2014.01.27 22:35:00 -
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If memory serves, at one times anomalies did NOT despawn if someone was cloaked in them. I am pretty sure of this, because I seem to remember that during my first stint in null, we identified where cloakies were hanging in system if sanctums that had been finished still lingered in system. Later on, so players could not be griefed by AFK cloakers causing the sites not to de-spawn, it was changed so that anomalies would despawn as long as there was no one visible on grid--IE, cloaked. These changes were not recent if I do remember correctly.
Whether this affects cloaked ships on grid, I have no idea.
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