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Jaschar Verge
Dark Aether Operations
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Posted - 2014.01.24 18:07:00 -
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Warning, this is a vent post. It's not in suggestions, it's in general. If you don't wanna hear bitching and moaning, it might be a good idea to stop reading.
I came to EVE because I respect the idea of killing any player, any time, but what is this wardec ****? Here's the setup I got goin'
I left my last corporation...due to wardecs. Random, griefy wardecs that kept me in my hangar...waiting for the griefers to log off. Now if there was an extortion, that'd be something. I wouldn't pay it, but it'd be something, right? Nope. Started a new corporation. I'm playing the nice guy, which I know isn't well-advised but I'm doin' it! Started a new corporation. Of course, got wardec'd. Now...this doesn't make sense. This guy hunts around, not asking for any fees or terms of surrender - he just wants to gank you. That's it. It's a 1-man corp that picks on new corps. I'm paying for this? I don't buy PLEX with ISK, I pay the subscription fee. I'm sitting here. Honestly, I wouldn't be writing this, I'd be playing the game, but I'm stuck in my hangar. He's waiting outside for me. He found me. S'pose I could log off but I need to keep corporate morale up.
Oh, yeah, I get it, I should be hiring mercs...with my one-month-old account. Makes sense. You know, I always avoided EVE because I loved every single part of it but one: the part where you never get to catch up with someone a year ahead of you...I finally just accepted that as a reality. Apparently, this is how its treated. Thank you, CCP. I really, really wanted to enjoy playing EVE, but so far this is my 3rd grief war. Do you hate new players? Do you not like money? I want to keep giving you my money....but you got this attitude like you don't want it. I mean, it's become apparent that its not me but everyone is getting this.
If this isn't fixed, and this isn't some threat, it's just a matter of fact, I won't be able to think of a reason to keep my subscription going. If anyone's got some tips besides "get some guys together" because I'm not sure how you just sort of do that but uhh....no. I don't have a button for that and my corp is new, but fi you have tips on dealing with this, I am so ready to swallow my pride, admit I'm running my corp wrong and take any advice. I'll even make a run at him if there was a method that fit within my means.
Seriously, have all the dx11 bugs you want, CCP, I'll work around those, hell, it's probably Microsoft's fault. Charging me $15/mo. to look at the ship I'll lose if I undock? Well, that's just not funny from my end. |
Batelle
Komm susser Tod
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Posted - 2014.01.24 18:11:00 -
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Since he's obviously targeting you, its a good thing you've posted this thread so he can see he's gotten nice and under your skin.
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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific
Initiative Mercenaries
4461
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Posted - 2014.01.24 18:11:00 -
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My crystal ball predicts that this thread will in well. |
Seraph Essael
Devils Diciples
League of Infamy
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Posted - 2014.01.24 18:11:00 -
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You know ranting isn't allowed right? This will just get you Wardec'd even more.
Or maybe thats secretly what you want and its a stealth 'please wardec me' thread? 
Quoted from Doc Fury: "Concerned citizens: Doc seldom plays EVE on the weekends during spring and summer, so you will always be on your own for a couple days a week. Doc spends that time collecting kittens for the on-going sacrifices, engaging in reckless outdoor activities, and speaking in the 3rd person." |
Billy McCandless
The McCandless Clan
Turing Tested
96
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Posted - 2014.01.24 18:11:00 -
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I dont understand
1) What are you doing to get decced so often (dont say nothing, there is always a reason)?
2) Are you being camped in by one guy?
3) Have you tried not docking?
4) Have you built any alts yet?
5) What do you do for an eve-living?
6) You say " I respect the idea of killing any player, any time" but you have an issue with a mechanism designed to facilititate this. how do you rationalise that oxymoron?
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Desivo Delta Visseroff
Infinite Conquest
Li3 Federation
109
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Posted - 2014.01.24 18:13:00 -
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IB4L
Also, if you don't like wardecs, perhaps you should just stay in an NPC corp? Not rush out and make your own? |
Julius Rigel
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Posted - 2014.01.24 18:16:00 -
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This type of thread really ought to go in the Crime & Punishment section.
Jaschar Verge wrote:Started a new corporation. I found your problem. You really shouldn't start a corporation as a one-month old beginner.
You NEED to play the game for a while to learn the skills required to be a CEO. One of those skills is war protocol. You need to learn how to protect your corporation from griefers before you become a CEO.
There are many good corporations out there specifically geared toward beginners, teaching you leadership skills, how to command fleets, what to do when you enter war, and so on. I sincerely suggest you look into joining one and training with them in combat so you can learn those vital skills.
Do YOU like to undock? |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
15597
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Posted - 2014.01.24 18:20:00 -
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Jaschar Verge wrote: the part where you never get to catch up with someone a year ahead of you... That's a common misconception, all skills have a cap of 5. Specialisation is the key, an older player may have eleventy billion more SP than you, but only a small number of those skills apply to the ship he's flying, the rest are worthless with regards to that ship.
By starting a corp you basically stated to the world that you're ready to play with the big boys, obviously you're not. You have a couple of choices - You and your corp can fight the wardeccer, 27 of you should be able to kill a single player, zerg rush him in cheap frigates and destroyers.
- You can continue ranting on the forums and attract more wardecs, which will happen.
- You can drop back to an NPC corp where you'll be immune to wardecs.
In your case I suggest the 3rd option until you're ready to take the responsibilities, which includes being able to lead your corpmates against a wardeccing corp, and penalties that come with starting a corp, such as wardecs. |
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
1389
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Posted - 2014.01.24 18:28:00 -
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Jaschar Verge wrote:
If this isn't fixed, and this isn't some threat, it's just a matter of fact, I won't be able to think of a reason to keep my subscription going.
here's my suggestion
sub 10 accounts
get IsBoxer
seek revenge with noobships
~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
Jaschar Verge
Dark Aether Operations
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Posted - 2014.01.24 18:38:00 -
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1: It's not the same guy, targeting me. I'm not being targeted specifically.
2: I left my old corp *because* of wardecs. Yes, I thought that it was on that corp. I realize now the error of my ways.
3: I could change corporations, but the same would happen to them, no?
I was just blowin' off steam. I just needed to not be in corpchat in the mood I was in. It's also not this guy that's gettin' me like this. It's the system. I left a corp because of this problem and here it is again. |
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PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
942
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Posted - 2014.01.24 18:40:00 -
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There are no wardecs in nullsec. Or wormholes. |
Notorious Fellon
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
134
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Posted - 2014.01.24 18:51:00 -
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Jaschar Verge wrote:1: It's not the same guy, targeting me. I'm not being targeted specifically.
2: I left my old corp *because* of wardecs. Yes, I thought that it was on that corp. I realize now the error of my ways.
3: I could change corporations, but the same would happen to them, no?
I was just blowin' off steam. I just needed to not be in corpchat in the mood I was in. It's also not this guy that's gettin' me like this. It's the system. I left a corp because of this problem and here it is again.
Leave your corp. You will fall to the NPC corp. NPC corps cannot be wardec'd. Spend a few months skilling up and learning more. Then decide if you would like to start a corp again. But wait until you have a few people to join you. Then you wont be trying to fend off wardec griefers by yourself.
If 3 pilots in your corp get together and hunt down the solo wardec griefer, he wont bother you again. Or maybe he will, and all four of you will have a great time blowing up each other's ships. Either way, you win. |
Eram Fidard
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
744
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Posted - 2014.01.24 18:52:00 -
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Jaschar Verge wrote:Started a new corporation.
I quoted the relevant part of your post, which is what you did wrong.
Why do you feel entitled to start a corp? Do you know anything about how to run a corp? Do you have a plan in place for recruitment and creating content for your members?
It's obvious you aren't prepared to run a corporation, so why would you?
Do you think this is wow and you can just auto-invite every player in the starting zone to make gold in your guild bank?
Honestly, HTFU or GTFO. New players and those with zero knowledge of the game shouldn't start corporations. Plain and simple. Obviously there are exceptions but it's a 'rule' for a reason.
Would you expect to succeed with a real life business without a business plan or any knowledge of the market you are entering into? What exactly made you think you'd be a good corp leader?
If you can't handle a single guy wardeccing you, corp leadership is not for you. End of story.
Poster is not to be held responsible for damages to keyboards and/or noses caused by hot beverages. |
Billy McCandless
The McCandless Clan
Turing Tested
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Posted - 2014.01.24 18:53:00 -
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Notorious Fellon wrote:Jaschar Verge wrote:1: It's not the same guy, targeting me. I'm not being targeted specifically.
2: I left my old corp *because* of wardecs. Yes, I thought that it was on that corp. I realize now the error of my ways.
3: I could change corporations, but the same would happen to them, no?
I was just blowin' off steam. I just needed to not be in corpchat in the mood I was in. It's also not this guy that's gettin' me like this. It's the system. I left a corp because of this problem and here it is again. Leave your corp. You will fall to the NPC corp. NPC corps cannot be wardec'd. Spend a few months skilling up and learning more. Then decide if you would like to start a corp again. But wait until you have a few people to join you. Then you wont be trying to fend off wardec griefers by yourself. If 3 pilots in your corp get together and hunt down the solo wardec griefer, he wont bother you again. Or maybe he will, and all four of you will have a great time blowing up each other's ships. Either way, you win. In EVE, the best ship to fly is a FriendShip.
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Anne Dieu-le-veut
Natl Assn for the Advancement of Criminal People
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Posted - 2014.01.24 18:59:00 -
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Looking at your corp history, you belonged to small "noob friendly" and/or indy corps, which are always a target of for lulz wardecs and always will be, so you are probably correct that you are not being targeted...or I should say *were* correct, because now that you cried about it on the forums, that will likely change.
Your current new corp has 27 members already? TBH, I'd be more worried about AWOXers than wardecs lol. If 27 of you can't leave space dock because of a one man corp wardec, you should probably fold your corp and join an established one, or drop to a NPC corp, where you just have to worry about suicide ganks. |
Notorious Fellon
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
134
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Posted - 2014.01.24 19:02:00 -
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Eram Fidard wrote:Jaschar Verge wrote:Started a new corporation. I quoted the relevant part of your post, which is what you did wrong. Why do you feel entitled to start a corp? Do you know anything about how to run a corp? Do you have a plan in place for recruitment and creating content for your members? It's obvious you aren't prepared to run a corporation, so why would you? Do you think this is wow and you can just auto-invite every player in the starting zone to make gold in your guild bank? Honestly, HTFU or GTFO. New players and those with zero knowledge of the game shouldn't start corporations. Plain and simple. Obviously there are exceptions but it's a 'rule' for a reason. Would you expect to succeed with a real life business without a business plan or any knowledge of the market you are entering into? What exactly made you think you'd be a good corp leader? If you can't handle a single guy wardeccing you, corp leadership is not for you. End of story.
Why so much e-peen and vitriol to a newer player? What is the point of acting this way? Is it helping EVE as a whole to ensure long-term player retention? No, it is not.
The game does ALMOST NOTHING to help new players in this area. It does ALMOST NOTHING to help guide the new player after the intro tutorial missions. The game does not tell the new player that it is best *NOT* to create a corporation early on.
New players are dropped off into an empty void with a ton of options, most of which are basically traps set for leet e-peen stroking pvp-superstars who can prey on the unaware.
The EVE community needs to take some ownership on helping people enter the game and deal with the terrible lack of introduction. Maybe then we can get enough funding in CCP to fix bugs faster and maybe even develop more content. |
Anne Dieu-le-veut
Natl Assn for the Advancement of Criminal People
42
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Posted - 2014.01.24 19:08:00 -
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Notorious Fellon wrote:Why so much e-peen and vitriol to a newer player?
I'd say given the tone of the OP, this thread is extremely civil. |
Billy Sastard
Life. Universe. Everything.
Clockwork Pineapple
0
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Posted - 2014.01.24 19:12:00 -
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I just resubbed after not playing for a few years and come to the forums and see this topic at the head of the list...
I am glad to see that the eve I love and know is still going strong.
Oh and to the OP and people saying the game is too hard on newbies... HTFU. |
Eram Fidard
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
745
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Posted - 2014.01.24 19:13:00 -
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Notorious Fellon wrote:
Why so much common sense and good advice to a insulated bucket of entitlement? What is the point of acting this way? Is it helping EVE as a whole to ensure long-term idiot retention? No, it is not.
The new players do ALMOST NOTHING to help themselves in this area. They do ALMOST NOTHING to research the game after the intro tutorial missions. The new players do not bother with a basic google search which would tell you that it is best *NOT* to create a corporation early on.
New players are dropped off into an empty void with a ton of options, most of which are traps that can be easily navigated with the barest modicum of common sense and google-fu.
EVE Newbies need to take some ownership on helping themselves enter the game and deal with the terrible lack of introduction. Maybe then we can get enough funding in CCP to fix bugs faster and maybe even develop more content.
I fixed your post for you.
Poster is not to be held responsible for damages to keyboards and/or noses caused by hot beverages. |
Noxisia Arkana
Deadspace Knights
103
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Posted - 2014.01.24 19:16:00 -
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War-Dec mechanic is not broken; there are incredibly easy solutions to these issues:
1. War dec'd? Ignore it and play skill que on-line.
2. Move to low or NPC null and do exploration/piracy for a bit. Most highsec war dec guys aren't willing to go the extra mile.
3. Drop corp to NPC corps, or if you are part of a larger newer player friendly corp they probably have anywhere from 1 to 10 alt corps that serve as holding corps during war decs. Griefer wants to dec 10 corps to get your corp? Great, leave them open with a PI alt and make more corps. This in my opinion is the best game because it ends up costing 200-500 million / week to the agressor if they keep going after little splinter corps that you keep essentially empty. War dec ends? Rejoin your main/alt corps and get on with business.
4. Get an orca or a medium tower and hang out in WH space. It is god damn hard to find war targets in W-space. It can be pretty easy to get evicted, but it's still good fun.
5. Yeah, NPC corps. |
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Thanatos Marathon
Black Fox Marauders
153
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Posted - 2014.01.24 19:17:00 -
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Easy mode:
If you aren't hellbent on running your own corp right this second, drop your corp and either stay in the NPC corp or join a corp that can train you and learn as fast as you can.
Hard mode:
If you ARE hellbent on running your own corp right this second move to lowsec or nullsec and take your lumps and learn as fast as you can. FYI Those lumps are likely to be painful.
BLFOX is currently recruiting |
Desivo Delta Visseroff
Infinite Conquest
Li3 Federation
109
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Posted - 2014.01.24 19:18:00 -
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Eram Fidard wrote:Notorious Fellon wrote:
Why so much common sense and good advice to a insulated bucket of entitlement? What is the point of acting this way? Is it helping EVE as a whole to ensure long-term idiot retention? No, it is not.
The new players do ALMOST NOTHING to help themselves in this area. They do ALMOST NOTHING to research the game after the intro tutorial missions. The new players do not bother with a basic google search which would tell you that it is best *NOT* to create a corporation early on.
New players are dropped off into an empty void with a ton of options, most of which are traps that can be easily navigated with the barest modicum of common sense and google-fu.
EVE Newbies need to take some ownership on helping themselves enter the game and deal with the terrible lack of introduction. Maybe then we can get enough funding in CCP to fix bugs faster and maybe even develop more content.
I fixed your post for you.
Damn Bro........ I don't disagree. In fact I agree with Notorious Fellons' original post as well as this one in equal measure.
This is going to escalate quickly |
Erufen Rito
The Dark Space Initiative
Scary Wormhole People
116
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Posted - 2014.01.24 19:19:00 -
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I'll make the list of problems I found.
Jaschar Verge wrote:
- This is a vent post.
- Started a new corporation. / Month old Account
- Hiring mercs
- You never get to catch up with someone a year ahead of youg
- Get some guys together
- My corp is new
1)Your tears are delicious. Now he wont stop harrassing you. Welcome to Grief Online.
2)These are pretty much self explenatory. I bet you still fit your ships with armor and shield tanks at the same time.
3)Unless you have loads fo cash to blow off, this wont accomplish much. Second, if it's a well known griefing entity, no one will take you up on it.
4)Actually, you do. There is a hard limit on how good you can be per ship class. It's called specialization. If you maxed out your skills for, say, a friggate, and it just so happens that I have **** skills for the exact same friggate, but I'm a 3 year old player, you'll most likely kill me. Sure, individual know how and skill comes in play, but that's besides the point. No one came here knowing the game.
5)You don't get "some" guys. You get EVERYONE in your corp to ship up and fight. You'd be amazed what a few cruisers can do.
6)Last but not least. I wont tell you to join a big corp and learn the game, because, just like you, I started a new corp with 2 others. We grew and absorbed another noob corp *via griefing actually* and stabilized at around 40 members. After our wardecs, we expanded our contact network, joined an alliance and then broke appart for personal reasons. Again, I'm never going to tell you to quit your corp because you are a noob, and join a pro corp. But I will say that it would be easier to get the grip on things. I speak from experience.
This is as nice as I get.
Best quote ever
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4137165#post4137165 |
Nuela
Beacon Light Corporation
Beacon Light Alliance
229
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Posted - 2014.01.24 19:26:00 -
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While I understand your frustration, please consider this:
This is an MMORPG...and, in my opinion, there are way too many small, do nothing, hisec-only corps out there and the harrassing wardecs puts pressure on these corps to justify their existence. Those that probably shouldn't exist will fold. Ones that have strong leadership and strong players that stick around and adapt despite adversity and so a strong seed is born...a corp maybe destined for greatness.
Allowing some ******* to start a corp and recruit some wimpy, weak-arse players to fart around in hisec doesn't really do anyone any good. Weak leadership is not culled. Weak players are not tested and found wimpy. A corp like that when it starts to grow will look ok but will fold like a wet taco when the first challenge comes along. Best to find that out within the first few weeks of a corps life and have it tested from time to time than to allow this.
New players need to find strong, dynamic, tested corps...not some ******* thinking "I will start a corp!".
Most players you recruit are not worthy of your corporation. Wardecs allow you to find the ones that are worthy. |
Silvetica Dian
Manson Family
Advent of Fate
645
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Posted - 2014.01.24 19:28:00 -
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Notorious Fellon wrote:Eram Fidard wrote:Jaschar Verge wrote:Started a new corporation. I quoted the relevant part of your post, which is what you did wrong. Why do you feel entitled to start a corp? Do you know anything about how to run a corp? Do you have a plan in place for recruitment and creating content for your members? It's obvious you aren't prepared to run a corporation, so why would you? Do you think this is wow and you can just auto-invite every player in the starting zone to make gold in your guild bank? Honestly, HTFU or GTFO. New players and those with zero knowledge of the game shouldn't start corporations. Plain and simple. Obviously there are exceptions but it's a 'rule' for a reason. Would you expect to succeed with a real life business without a business plan or any knowledge of the market you are entering into? What exactly made you think you'd be a good corp leader? If you can't handle a single guy wardeccing you, corp leadership is not for you. End of story. Why so much e-peen and vitriol to a newer player? What is the point of acting this way? Is it helping EVE as a whole to ensure long-term player retention? No, it is not. The game does ALMOST NOTHING to help new players in this area. It does ALMOST NOTHING to help guide the new player after the intro tutorial missions. The game does not tell the new player that it is best *NOT* to create a corporation early on. New players are dropped off into an empty void with a ton of options, most of which are basically traps set for leet e-peen stroking pvp-superstars who can prey on the unaware. The EVE community needs to take some ownership on helping people enter the game and deal with the terrible lack of introduction. Maybe then we can get enough funding in CCP to fix bugs faster and maybe even develop more content.
There are tons of helpful guides online and helpful people ingame.
All you have to do is look.
A year ago i was in the grief war dec stage. I joined a PVP corp willing to train me so that i could fight back but instead moved to null. In eve you can look at these obstacles as things that can never be overcome or you can try and find a way to overcome them.
Whining on the forums is never the correct way.
here is a list of all the fiat currencies that didn't end up at zero value.....and here is a list of the places where a currency pegged to a real commodity has successfully co-existed with compound interest....-á Here is a physics professor explaining why sustainable growth isn't a thing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-QA2rkpBSY |
Maekchu
Black Rebel Rifter Club
The Devil's Tattoo
19
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Posted - 2014.01.24 19:29:00 -
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This might be a troll, but let's have some fun :D
Jaschar Verge wrote:I came to EVE because I respect the idea of killing any player, any time, but what is this wardec ****?
So basically you said "I'm fine with the pvp-nature of EVE, but don't you dare make me a part of it!"
Also, how can a single player, keep you docked? I suppose, you really are not so confident of your own skill.
My advice to you, is to join an established, newbie friendly corp to learn the game, before creating a corp.
OR just leave, since obviously this game is not for you. |
Billy McCandless
The McCandless Clan
Turing Tested
96
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Posted - 2014.01.24 19:33:00 -
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Nuela wrote:
Most players you recruit are not worthy of your corporation. Wardecs allow you to find the ones that are worthy.
How else can we find people who have the right stuff to want to jam a super into a TiDi infested nightmare lol |
Victor Andall
Complexes and Abaddons
43
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Posted - 2014.01.24 19:40:00 -
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Join EVE Uni or RvB for a while?
I just undocked for the first time and someone challenged me to a duel. Wat do?
http://andallcombat.wordpress.com/current-tournament/ |
Winter Archipelago
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
216
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Posted - 2014.01.24 19:40:00 -
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OP: Please check this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgvM7av1o1Q
That's an official video by CCP. "HTFU" is not just a blind shot from people who want to harass you, no. It's essentially the battle cry of EvE Online.
Harden the **** Up.
You have a corp of 27 people, and a single person is attacking you. You have numbers on your side, which tends to be the biggest advantage in the game. Take them out in cheap ships (no joke, all 27 of you could take out fully-T1-fit frigs for under 50m ISK) and, regardless of what he's flying, you would crush him. Your numbers will be his skills regardless of his ship. In fact, they'll beat him BECAUSE OF his ship if he's flying anything larger than a cruiser.
As well, you don't have to have too many character skills, you just need to gain some player skills. It's possible to PvP (and do so well) without topping out a 900k Alpha clone.
Use this time against a single person and turn it into a learning experience. If a fight goes poorly for you, find out why. Go to YouTube. Go to Google. Find the many, many guides that exist, and the next time you encounter a war dec like this, you repeat the process until you are forcing them to go out and improve.
Ransoms are accepted in Isk, Ships, Mods, and Dolls. |
Nariya Kentaya
Always Negative
1020
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Posted - 2014.01.24 19:54:00 -
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Jaschar Verge wrote:Warning, this is a vent post. It's not in suggestions, it's in general. If you don't wanna hear bitching and moaning, it might be a good idea to stop reading.
I came to EVE because I respect the idea of killing any player, any time, but what is this wardec ****? Here's the setup I got goin'
Oh, yeah, I get it, I should be hiring mercs...with my one-month-old account.
I found your problem. Or at least part of EVEs problem with new player retention.
If you aren't established enough to handle yourself in a wardec, then you aren't old enough ingame to run a Corp
Too many newbs start a oneman Corp or join a Corp ran by newbs for noobs. Its a mistake, and only serves to give the new players a sense of some imaginary wall barring new players from being successful. MAKE FRIENDS. not only will you have older players to learn from, you'll have security to grow and establish yourself.
Then, if you STILL feel its necessary to play singleplayer MMO, you can make you Corp.
Rule of thumb, if your Ceo hasn't spent at least 6 months in each of high/low/null/wh, they don't know enough to be running that Corp. And if you don't fit that criteria, you should be led before putting yourself in a position to lead. |
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