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Malphas Vynneve
The New Gallentean Combine
Brave Collective
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Posted - 2014.01.24 20:48:00 -
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Does anyone else think that T2 exploration ships should have bubble immunity?
Just a thought, let me know what you think and why / why not. |
Victor Andall
Complexes and Abaddons
43
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Posted - 2014.01.24 20:54:00 -
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Yes, Cyno ships should totally be immune to
Wait, no.
I just undocked for the first time and someone challenged me to a duel. Wat do?
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Batelle
Komm susser Tod
1381
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Posted - 2014.01.24 20:56:00 -
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no. Primarily because they don't need it at all.
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Digits Kho
Imperial Navy Lobsters
U N K N O W N
47
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Posted - 2014.01.24 20:56:00 -
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Malphas Vynneve wrote:Does anyone else think that T2 exploration ships should have bubble immunity?
Just a thought, let me know what you think and why / why not.
They have cloaks |
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
2497
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Posted - 2014.01.24 20:58:00 -
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This is probably the best idea I've heard to prevent T2 exploration ships becoming caught in bubbles. It's not a bad start but there are still a lot of other types of ships getting caught in bubbles, I hear.
Oh god. |
Mr Blah Blahson
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
25
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Posted - 2014.01.24 21:07:00 -
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Considering I've been doing most of my exploration in an interceptor since Rubicon... I'll say yes. |
Azami Nevinyrall
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
1618
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Posted - 2014.01.24 21:08:00 -
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*signed*
Stargates aren't located within POS shields. The stargate itself and everyone around it is vulnerable to attack. So why is a Titan located within a POS shield when a Jump Portal is activated? The Titans should not be allowed complete safety! |
I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
986
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Posted - 2014.01.24 21:40:00 -
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Malphas Vynneve wrote:Does anyone else think that T2 exploration ships should have bubble immunity?
Just a thought, let me know what you think and why / why not.
Just take the time to train subsystems and fly a t3, and you will be immune to bubbles with the right subsystems. |
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
954
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Posted - 2014.01.24 21:47:00 -
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T1 exploration ship = no cloak
SoE exploration ship = covops cloak but with shittier bonuses
T2 exploration ship = covops cloak
T3 exploration ship = covops cloak + nullifier
Progression working as intended. |
Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order
Fidelas Constans
2687
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Posted - 2014.01.24 21:47:00 -
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You think of them as exploration ships. I think of them as scouts and covert cynos, which meant they absolutely should not have bubble immunity. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation
Goonswarm Federation
8785
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Posted - 2014.01.24 22:07:00 -
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Mr Blah Blahson wrote:Considering I've been doing most of my exploration in an interceptor since Rubicon... I'll say yes.
I've been doing it in a Tengu.
Most of the time without the nullifier subsystem.
WIth the gravitational capacitor subsystem and 3 hyperspatial rigs my Tengu actually warps faster than an interceptor. Helps to cover a lot of ground quickly.
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Malphas Vynneve
The New Gallentean Combine
Brave Collective
6
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Posted - 2014.01.24 23:30:00 -
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Ah, well, as scouts and covert cyno operators, i see what you're getting at and that makes sense.
My reasoning on the matter was that the T2 explo ships don't really have any combat functionality, aside from dropping cynos. I still think that they should be immune.
Also, about the T3's, i would love to be using one, but this character hasn't progressed to that point yet.
Maybe i should just use an interceptor for nullsec exploration. But then, the cargo is ****** and there's no bonus to scans or hacking.
In short, for example, the Helios has a role bonus to hacking. So it's main design purpose was for hacking, not entirely combat OR scouting. Most gallente flying scouts are using the Imicus, on account of being cheap. You wouldn't necessarily spend 25mil on a Helios as a scout, knowing that scouts are usually the first to die.
Then again, if T2 explo ships were to get immunity, using them as scouts and cyno operators would probably see an increase. But is that really too much of an advantage for anyone or a disadvantage to the ones trying to kill it? I think it only really helps the explorers and by extension, the manufacturers.
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Angelica Dreamstar
Epic Boo Bees
314
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Posted - 2014.01.24 23:44:00 -
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Malphas Vynneve wrote:My reasoning on the matter was that the T2 explo ships don't really have any combat functionality, aside from dropping cynos. [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97DjUru5Xw0[/url]
This video disagrees.
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Malphas Vynneve
The New Gallentean Combine
Brave Collective
6
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Posted - 2014.01.25 00:23:00 -
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Alright, that's pretty cool, but i don't have much faith in how effective is it.
I guess it's about time to find out. |
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
Boarderline Cartel
1718
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Posted - 2014.01.25 00:52:00 -
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Malphas Vynneve wrote:Does anyone else think that T2 exploration ships should have bubble immunity?
Just a thought, let me know what you think and why / why not.
No. And I think that they should be limited to at most one stab. Nullsec is full of risk-averse site running players who put multiple stabs on their cov ops frigates, reaping the massive hull boost for exploration both in terms of virus strength and probing strength, the ability to warp with a covert ops cloak, etc. AND you want to give them immunity to bubbles? I don't think so.
Why don't you just ask CCP to have sites spawn directly in your Captain's Quarters and that way you don't have to go through the effort of having to jump through all those gates?
These ships are very hard to catch as it is. Absolutely no need to make them harder. And yes, I fly one too when I go site running. I don't put multiple stabs on it though. |
Malphas Vynneve
The New Gallentean Combine
Brave Collective
6
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Posted - 2014.01.25 01:08:00 -
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Limiting them to "at most one stab" is a generally dumb idea. limiting any ship to how many stabs they can fit on it at a time is a generally dumb idea. I'm glad you don't work for CCP, lol. This game would be all ****** up. I could just see it in the description now "Warp Core Stabilizer limit: 1", lololol. and you thought bubble immunity for them was a bad idea?
Covops frigates are NOT hard to catch. Put one bubble up and bam, you catch anything that isn't a T3 with the right subsystems, interdictor, or interceptor. Train and fit a ship that locks fast and you can catch them.
Also, i don't know what gave you the idea that i'm packing my Helios with stabs. I guess you're just delusional like that. and a bit whiny, too. If i'm in nullsec, why would i bother fitting more than one stab? When they're not going to protect it from bubbles. I barely fit stabs because of the likeliness of one lone ranger with a long point. And even then, solo PvP is nearly dead, so it almost doesn't make sense to fit even the one when i could fit another nanofiber. |
Malphas Vynneve
The New Gallentean Combine
Brave Collective
6
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Posted - 2014.01.25 01:10:00 -
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Also, Potato.
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Tauranon
Weeesearch
Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
656
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Posted - 2014.01.25 01:25:00 -
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Ptraci wrote:Malphas Vynneve wrote:Does anyone else think that T2 exploration ships should have bubble immunity?
Just a thought, let me know what you think and why / why not. No. And I think that they should be limited to at most one stab. Nullsec is full of risk-averse site running players who put multiple stabs on their cov ops frigates, reaping the massive hull boost for exploration both in terms of virus strength and probing strength, the ability to warp with a covert ops cloak, etc. AND you want to give them immunity to bubbles? I don't think so. Why don't you just ask CCP to have sites spawn directly in your Captain's Quarters and that way you don't have to go through the effort of having to jump through all those gates? These ships are very hard to catch as it is. Absolutely no need to make them harder. And yes, I fly one too when I go site running. I don't put multiple stabs on it though.
There is no need at all to prevent pilots from fitting all stabs if they want to, and there is no e-dishonor in fitting a scouting vessel for avoidance anyway. Thats its job.
Almost all of my kills with a taranis that has only 2 points of scram have been on scanboats with 3 points of stabs. Fitting your mids with scan modules, your lows with stabs and rigs with hacking rigs, means you don't actually have enough EHP to survive being locked which self defeats 3 stabs on frigates, because stabs only protect against lock based tackle.
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Xearal
Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
859
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Posted - 2014.01.25 01:55:00 -
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Angelica Dreamstar wrote:Malphas Vynneve wrote:My reasoning on the matter was that the T2 explo ships don't really have any combat functionality, aside from dropping cynos. This video disagrees.
Having flown similar covops, I agree with this video.
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Malphas Vynneve
The New Gallentean Combine
Brave Collective
6
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Posted - 2014.01.25 02:20:00 -
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Anyone wanna give me a good idea of how to fit a covops for combat?
Sounds very interesting. And also how well does it do against multiple opponents? Or is it just for 1v1? |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
9484
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Posted - 2014.01.25 04:18:00 -
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Has anyone asked you to show them on the Helios doll where the bubble campers touched you?
If they haven't, that shows a lack of concern on GDs part. ill have to bring it up with Human Resources.
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Angelica Dreamstar
Epic Boo Bees
315
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Posted - 2014.01.25 06:30:00 -
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Malphas Vynneve wrote:Limiting them to "at most one stab" is a generally dumb idea. limiting any ship to how many stabs they can fit on it at a time is a generally dumb idea. I'm glad you don't work for CCP, lol. This game would be all ****** up. I could just see it in the description now "Warp Core Stabilizer limit: 1", lololol. and you thought bubble immunity for them was a bad idea?
Covops frigates are NOT hard to catch. Put one bubble up and bam, you catch anything that isn't a T3 with the right subsystems, interdictor, or interceptor. Train and fit a ship that locks fast and you can catch them.
Also, i don't know what gave you the idea that i'm packing my Helios with stabs. I guess you're just delusional like that. and a bit whiny, too. If i'm in nullsec, why would i bother fitting more than one stab? When they're not going to protect it from bubbles. I barely fit stabs because of the likeliness of one lone ranger with a long point. And even then, solo PvP is nearly dead, so it almost doesn't make sense to fit even the one when i could fit another nanofiber.
Why do you have to be such an *******? Did the post offend you? Seriously, are you 14 or something?? Ridiculous. You should look at your own post. Most of what you said fits to what your OP too but you don't see people stupidly insulting you for it! Be a man and not a teenager!
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Ptraci
3 R Corporation
Boarderline Cartel
1719
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Posted - 2014.01.25 11:16:00 -
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Malphas Vynneve wrote:
Covops frigates are NOT hard to catch. Put one bubble up and bam, you catch anything that isn't a T3 with the right subsystems, interdictor, or interceptor. Train and fit a ship that locks fast and you can catch them.
Funny I evade bubble-camps all the time in my cloaky ships. I think I'm pretty hard to catch. I'm sorry that it seems you are not able to deal with them. Maybe if you learn to fly properly instead of asking for CCP to change the game for you, then bubble camps will be less of a problem for you.
As for the rest of your post - do you actually play EVE at all? |
Silvetica Dian
Manson Family
Advent of Fate
647
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Posted - 2014.01.25 12:07:00 -
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Malphas Vynneve wrote:Alright, that's pretty cool, but i don't have much faith in how effective is it.
I guess it's about time to find out.
There are pleanty of ways to avoid bubbles. nullified in yet more ships is yet more ways to avoid combat in a game designed around shooting other peoples spaceships. warping gate to gate in hostile space should have penalties.
they are not expensive to replace even.......
here is a list of all the fiat currencies that didn't end up at zero value.....and here is a list of the places where a currency pegged to a real commodity has successfully co-existed with compound interest....-á Here is a physics professor explaining why sustainable growth isn't a thing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-QA2rkpBSY |
Angelica Dreamstar
Epic Boo Bees
318
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Posted - 2014.01.25 12:29:00 -
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Silvetica Dian wrote:Malphas Vynneve wrote:Alright, that's pretty cool, but i don't have much faith in how effective is it.
I guess it's about time to find out. There are pleanty of ways to avoid bubbles. nullified in yet more ships is yet more ways to avoid combat in a game designed around shooting other peoples spaceships. warping gate to gate in hostile space should have penalties. they are not expensive to replace even....... He's talking about the video I linked. It shows a guy in covops ships kicking ass. Of course he'll fail hilariously at 'finding out' and then claim that they suck at ship combat and that the video contains staged fights only... or something.
Maybe we should seek covops killmails...
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ElQuirko
Black Dragon Fighting Society
The Devil's Tattoo
3276
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Posted - 2014.01.25 12:42:00 -
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Bubble immunity for anything faster than a battlecruiser was a f***ing stupid idea to start with.
Dodixie > Hek |
BrundleMeth
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
17
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Posted - 2014.01.25 13:32:00 -
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Ptraci wrote:Why don't you just ask CCP to have sites spawn directly in your Captain's Quarters and that way you don't have to go through the effort of having to jump through all those gates?
I did ask. They said we're working on that for a future release...
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
4203
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Posted - 2014.01.26 06:27:00 -
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I think we'll see a day when there will be sites that require all 5s on scanning skills, and ships hopped up on hacking and analyzing. Right now everything exploration was simplified, but I would not get too comfortable. |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
2386
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Posted - 2014.01.26 09:28:00 -
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Angelica Dreamstar wrote:Malphas Vynneve wrote:My reasoning on the matter was that the T2 explo ships don't really have any combat functionality, aside from dropping cynos. This video disagrees.
I love tracking disruptor gimmick fits! I gave a buddy a fit for a jag that involved afterburners and tracking disruption and he killed everything with it. |
Omega Sunset
Black.Omega
191
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Posted - 2014.01.26 10:35:00 -
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97% untouchable to 97.5% untouchable? (provided you know how to fly...)
I think not.
How 'bout on T1 explorers? ...would kinda make sense.
But I'll stick to my Buzzard and Tengu, personally.
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