I hadnt thought of that. What im understanding is a rof rig makes the sweet spot sweeter, where as my tracking rig only makes the borders of the sweet spot bigger. But once your in the sweet spot, its a waste.

t2 tracking rig has a 20% boost to tracking
t2 tracking enhancer only does 9.5% boost, but better optimal (ignoring falloff for lasers), better optimal means I can get further away and still be in the sweet spot, (thinking out loud) so i think your completely right, a tracking enhancer does as a whole help more then just a tracking rig. This is exactly the kind of advice i was looking for.
But the other question is whether 5 forms of dps boost is worth it.
And if it is worth it, then what about the tank? One rep, One resist? Assuming we all dont immediately throw down a yurt and load up on tank if it gets to much, although to be honest i dont like the yurts, but i can definitely see the benefit of being jonny on the spot with one and saving yourself from a stupid mistake.

This is without drones, just guns.

And for DCing, with the pally i have enough buffer to jump back on, a nightmare didnt have a lot of room for neglect.

I stand corrected, with Conflag i do get 1033dps. Switched back out to pulses, got some conflag crystals and sure enough. So is this the number that everyone is quoting? Because in my opinion, conflag is very limited. With two optimal range scripts, and bastion i get optimal out to 30km, which to me is poor.
I will look into a fourth heat sink, I could part with the DCII, its more of a gank resist, but i think with bastion I should still be alright.
Implants, what implants are you using? Ive seen 3% damage increase implants, but wasnt impressed with the return for the price. Definitely interested in your fit with implants.

This has about 330m isk in modules, so it would only be worth 165m to a ganker, excluding cargo. Using only 2 faction damage mods also makes the ship less tempting to ganker because they only have a 50% chance to drop (using 3 or 4 would swing the chances to the gankers favour). You can use whatever T2 rigs you like.

[Paladin, New Setup 1]
Ammatar Navy Heat Sink
Ammatar Navy Heat Sink
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Core C-Type Large Armor Repairer

Large Micro Jump Drive
100MN Microwarpdrive II
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script

Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
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[empty high slot]
Heavy Diminishing Power System Drain I
Bastion Module I

[empty rig slot]
[empty rig slot]

Cap efficiency.

What's the point of using a medium repper when a large one is 150% more efficient?

That is a compound question really. If you really want to go in, bastion and proceed to hit from 0-100km, you should do pulses. Tracking makes a lot of difference in damage application in short-ish ranges, and gleam will not make up for it. No other way around it, if you try both setups at short range the difference is more than evident.

Marauders though have a built in damage projection (bastion) and mobility bonus (MJD). So the other way to use a Pally is to warp in, spool up, jump and then bastion and hit everything from 40-150km. What you lose in mission turnaround due to moving away from gates/objectives, you gain in damage application and projection. Range indirectly boosts tracking, bastion removes yourself from the tracking equation while limiting npcs to very low degrees of angle, and you can project good DPS out to your max targeting range while adjusting instantly due to the crystal reloading time. You also have to tank less, but Marauders are very good for that anyway so it really doesn't matter.

After some testing, I really think tachs work better for my flying style. I split the turrets in two groups, MJD away and then deliver 3000ish alpha to two targets at the same time, working in a sfi-sfo basis (from smallest to highest sig). And by having an MWD as a backup, I don't really have to slowboat or triangulate to reach a mission objective either.

Hope that helps, cheers...C:

Tachs do more dps than pulses beyond 30km while not being forced into low thermal damage types. So if you are capable of fighting beyond 30km then Tachs > pulses. Tachs can still operate within that 30km given decent targets due to gleam and TC but obviously not as good as a pulse fit will. But using Tachs over 70km forces you to use lower dps crystals, so MJDing away from targets generally just means lower applied dps. Just because they can hit at 100km doesn't mean one should choose to fight around that range.

So, to me it's not a "go for pulses unless the mission is long range" but rather "go for tachs unless the mission is short range".

Really doubt this to be true because its to easy to be abused, for instance, "oh no, my super blinged ship is about to pop to npcs, im scrambled, what to do? I know, ill throw my router across the room, ripping out the ethernet cord, and there by giving me a glorious disconnect. Then ccp can give me isk for my ship."
So probably just a bad rumor.

I know i might be pushing some peoples patience here, but im eagerly waiting to hear back about the damage rig + 4 heatsinks. Are the returns worth it due to stacking penalties?

Those graphs are very insightful, but I have a hard time believing xray will do 700+dps out to 140km, or that xray even does 900+dps at 50km. Further testing required. However, the gleam vs pulse INMF was a bit of an eye opener. Gleam certainly does have a small window to be used in. Clearly I dont know my crystals well enough since i would think that scorch would out perform xray and gamma.

There is a big difference between paper and applied DPS in tachs. If you do not use an MJD to keep the npcs in chase mode and your angular vel low, you actually lose a lot of DPS from grazing in many scenarios..

Of course if you just sit there trying to kill everything your applied DPS with beams is going to suck. My questions is why would anyone do this? Just MJD where the NPC's are 70-100 km away and go to town as the all blindly approach you.

Read this post, my response was to that. If you check out the tach loadout I use (and posted in this thread), you will see that I agree with you...C:

ignoring tracking tachs with gamma out damage scorch at any range. and in my experience npc frigs are stupid and very rarely need more than 1 shot.

I also think the paladin has more than enough optimal range.



if you were in bastion mode it would be impossible for the npcs to scram you. that said when bastion ends and your ship would theoretically try and warp off they would have a chance to scram you.

that said I'd love to see a mission where npcs were remotely a threat to a blinged out bastioned marauder

Just discovered after some advice, there are TWO damage inplants. Slot 9 for all turrets, and slot 10 for lasers. 10% is defiantly something im going to pursue.

Conflag, i do get 1000+ dps with only 3 heatsinks so maybe the tactic is fit a nano in the lows instead of a fourth heatsink and fly the pally like a mach.

Anyway, thanks for the advice, and for anyone else, your more then welcome to post your pally 1000+ dps fit so I can compare/ unashamedily imitate.

I'm not flying one, nor am I close, but other than all the bling why is is so bad?