...Gibberish...

Have you considered that you might just be bad at PVP? It's very easy to blame the equipment when you can't handle it properly.

Although... Men that hit women are never really good at standing up against anything anyway so it must be you.

Have you considered that you might just be bad at PVP? It's very easy to blame the equipment when you can't handle it properly.

Although... Men that hit women are never really good at standing up against anything anyway so it must be you.

Yes the Drake needs a buff. It's just terrible. As a matter of fact I think heavy missiles should have a boost as well. That would really get the Drake and Tengu in line with the other races.

there are a lot of good arguments that suggest that the Harbinger is better than the Drake as well.

Problems with Caldari PVP

1. Signature Radius - Your signature radius becomes massive the minute you start putting on any kind of buffer tank. In most situations you'll have a signature radius comparable to the next class of ship up i.e. battlecruiser signature radius approx.= battleship class radius.

Because this is any better than being slowed to a crawl by plates amirite.

2. Lower (effective DPS)*EHP factors with comparable ships - Especially true with Caldari battleships Caldari battleships don't stand a chance against their rivals.

Right. The Scorpion doesn't stand a chance, its total crap . Also, have you even looked at the Raven? Its a perfectly competitive brawler compared to the other races' BS.

3. Lowest base speed of any race - Caldari ships can't often dictate range which is an essential factor to success in PVP.

You want the longest range EWAR/weapons AND the ability to dictate range? You can't have your cake and eat it too.

4. No Utility Mids - After you've finished putting on your tank you OFTEN (not always) don't have enough room for the appropriate tackle/target painters to up your effective dps, sensor boosters or midslot eccm (lowslot eccm is a joke).

You need to learn to fit ships.

5. No racial advantage - I know what you're going to say Caldari ships have higher sensor strength than other races BUT they're not any harder to jam really the difference in sensor strength is so pitifully low that their might as well be no difference at all.

Caldari have the Drake and ECM bonused ships, thats plenty of advantages right there. Not to mention the best PVE boats.

6. Can't use utility highs - If you are using a raven you can't fit a heavy neut without sacrificing tank or dps to the point of rendering the fit ineffectual against anything really. If you're using a neut

Other races have the same issue with fittings. People need to make compromises, deal with it.

7. 80% of your dps comes from high slot weapons - This means that you are more vulnerable to the effects of ECM because if you're jammed that's 80% of your dps gone.

As above, the same holds true for every other races, deal.

Before you all start harping on about the Drake the Drake has half the problems listed and a massive signature. Battleships mince Drakes. [They damn well better] The Drake isn't the best battlecruiser that award goes to the Hurricane and there are a lot of good arguments [Show us some] that suggest that the Harbinger is better than the Drake as well.

OP is just wishing he could fly a Caldari ship like a Hurricane.

wahhhhhhhh why can't my 70k ehp drake do 700 dps also, waaaahhhhhhhh

H T F U :)

-Pete

Dont know about you but my ham drake does 80-90k ehp and 700dps.

OP is an idiot, all the races have pluses and minuses when it comes to ships and Caldari has some brilliant ships

There's nothing wrong with Caldari, because Caldari = drake, and drakes are fine in pvp. Raven = drake, Ferox = drake, Rokh = drake, Moa = drake, and everything else Caldari = drake. Thus nothing Caldari ever needs buff.

There's nothing wrong with Gallante, because Gallante = Nyx. Brutix = Nyx, Hyperion = Nyx, Thorax = Nyx, Diemost = Nyx, and everything else Gallante = Nyx. Thus nothing Gallante ever needs buff.

Merlin, Hookbill, Buzzard, Caracal, Drake, Scorpion, Onyx, Falcon/Rook, Blackbird, Kestrel, Hawk, Harpy are all great ships stop trolling

1. 99% of time in PvP you're MWDing- in which case everyone's sig is freaking massive, it's not just Caldari.

You're confusing "great" with "not completely useless for pvp," which is the case for everything in the small list other than drake and ecm boats (the stats of boats themselves actually suck pretty bad, but they fit ecm? lulz). Stuff like Hookbill is no better than 2 of the 3 other faction frigs. Hawk and Harpy are luckluster. Kestrel and Buzzard are crap, guess you just thrown them in to fill the numbers?

retribution has one mid slot, shut the **** up

Caldari are overpowered.

You cannot be King of PvE and PvP.
Caldari are superior in PvE.


So, no reason to whine.

Original post is, for the most part, complete and utter nonsense
Slower ships .... better damage projection, more lows for nanos
No room for ewar .... don't use all the MANY mids for tank. Caldari ships have more mids for a reason.
Not enough damage .... more room in lows for damage mods due to shield tanking

Also conveniently forgotten is the fact that Minmatar mostly shield tank, and mostly have less mids than Caldari. Then there's the whole fact that even Gallente ships resort to shield tanks because their combat philosophy of armor tanking while needing to get in extremely close, thus needing speed, but losing it because of armor mods/rigs, don't mesh with one another. (that last point isn't entirely relevant, but highlights how Caldari ships are fundamentally designed better than Gallente ones at present).

The only vaguely valid point is on the Caldari hybrid lineup, which points the finger squarely at hybrids, not Caldari in general. But wait.. they're trying to buff hybrids because they know it's a problem! Think yourself lucky you aren't forced into using hybrids like anyone looking to fly most Gallente ships :)

I could go on (such as selectable damage types, racial resist bonus rather than rep amount, ECM, blah bla), but there's little point as the first reply sets the record straight (+1 to you sir).

-Ed

/ gibberish
I didn't know that all the fancy drones that Gallente are making use of do all the same type of damage.
Have you ever tried to do "attack" someone with torpedos that was NOT a Gurista boat? Since the torpedos were nerfed of thier perfect range they became a pos bashing weapon because of that stupid tracking of all missiles crap that were introduced so many years ago.
Yes there is ONE low slot module that buff the ROF and the total damage of missiles, but no module that tweak explosion radius or explosion velocity.
Then came some rigs for that at the penalty that they increase CPU need for all launchers big time.
Please be my guest and fit a Raven with 6x siege launcher II, a heavy neut, and a large smartbomb and then go ahead and try to fit something that is supposed to be called tank.
And if you did, fit 2 or 3 of these ballistic controls -oh wait you need 250 more cpu to do that.
With that awesome badass torpedo Raven please attack a tempest and win...
Did you ever open the market and just for your information READ the infomation that is printed on a missile warhead which states (in numbers not letter, which confuses the readers somehow) that no missile will hit any target that is faster then its explosion velocity, which is EVERY ship that is not an NPC or Caldari ship.
In any way this is so terrible wrong.
Let's try it with another picture:
Imagine a motorcycle that runs 300km/h is too small and too fast for an incoming cruise missile (Overpowermatar). That maybe true. Anyhow there is no way that tiny brave motorcycle driver will escape the explosion of the warhead no matter how fast he drives.
But that just my opinion about cruise missiles in a need for a serious buff.
After you fail with that Raven fitting, please go buy a Rokh and fit it with blastern and then attack a Machariel (if you can).
It may fool you that you will have no issues fitting the largest gun and shield tank on a Rokh, but I promise you that that Machariel will have you obliterated before you reach your optimal range!
I fly Caldari for 5+ years now and the most named ship is not the only ship that the Caldari have.

I can't believe that the Gallente actually cried enough to have hybrids buffed but the Caldari get nothing as usual out of an expansion. I think CCP knows Caldari ships generally suck that's why whenever a new ship class is released they hand us the most powerful stuff (navy scorpion,tengu). What they really need to do is just go over and fix the t1 lines and add more ships lol (which they are half doing).