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Pirmasis Sparagas
Bullet Cluster
Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2014.01.28 13:13:00 -
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Hi guys, I just found some interesting piece on evidence on http://www.ccpgames.com/
They are hiring Systems & Level designer for Valkyrie and here are some interesting parts:
Quote:Required Experience/Skills:
4+ yearsGÇÖ experience working on AAA quality game titles as a designer (Console experience preferred)
Quote:Advantageous Experience/Skills:
Experience or knowledge of micro-transactions and experience game loops
here's the link: http://www.ccpgames.com/en/jobs/job-details.aspx?jobid=498 |
Jitacha
Deteis Industries
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Posted - 2014.01.28 13:35:00 -
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Shame. Microtransactions suck.
Why can't CCP just deliver an AAA game and ask people to pay for it? Build a good game, ask them to pay and you will make a lot of money.
I for one do not need another Sparkly-Diamonds-Online game... |
Pirmasis Sparagas
Bullet Cluster
Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2014.01.28 13:52:00 -
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I think free to play is a good thing. Think about it: if it was subscription based - everyone would pay the same amount of money. But if it's free to play, so some players don't pay at all, but other players will pay much much more than usual players.
now let's look at Valkyrie: you will need Oculus rift for that thing, witch is rumoured to cost 300-500$, so you already have price barrier. And only the richer people will afford it, and we already know how much rich people spend on free to play games.
So with free to play model, Valkyrie can earn more with richer costumers, than subscription based. |
Jitacha
Deteis Industries
1
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Posted - 2014.01.28 14:04:00 -
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And what do the players that pay more get for their money?
If they get things that effect gameplay we have 'pay to win'. NO-ONE likes pay to win. Least of all the EVE community.
If they get things that do not effect gameplay, then all you have is visual effects. Then you are hoping that people will pay more for visual effects than they would for the full game, if you asked them up front.
I play a LOT of games. I have never paid more in visual effect micro-transactions than I have for a full game.
Apart from Path of Exile, I can't think of one decent game that is supported by micro-transactions only.
And even though Path of Exile is a great game, how much have I spent on their visual-effects-only-microtransactions? Zero.
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CCP Karuck
C C P
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2014.01.28 14:23:00 -
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We're not ready to announce anything concerning our business model, but if you followed the CES news you can see we've already confirmed Valkyrie on PC.
And don't worry, we're not fans of pay-to-win games :P
- Senior Programmer on EVE: Valkyrie / @SiggiGG |
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Pirmasis Sparagas
Bullet Cluster
Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2014.01.28 14:29:00 -
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CCP Karuck wrote:We're not ready to announce anything concerning our business model, but if you followed the CES news you can see we've already confirmed Valkyrie on PC.
And don't worry, we're not fans of pay-to-win games :P
PC??!!! OMG you guys are the GODS! thanks!!! |
Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc
Brave Collective
951
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Posted - 2014.01.28 14:36:00 -
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As much as I'm interested by Valkyrie and pleased to see it on PC, if an occulus is mandatory to play, you'll not make a lot of sales.
Signature Tanking - Best Tanking. |
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
1699
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Posted - 2014.01.28 14:42:00 -
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CCP Karuck wrote:We're not ready to announce anything concerning our business model, but if you followed the CES news you can see we've already confirmed Valkyrie on PC.
And don't worry, we're not fans of pay-to-win games :P
if its anything like war thunder it will be a hit!
There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people...
Winter Expansion new ship request |
Crasniya
Strange Energy
Gentlemen's Agreement
373
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Posted - 2014.01.28 15:20:00 -
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I find it funny when someone makes an assumption directly contradictory to what we all know to be true, and then he's corrected by a dev. And is like "omgthankyou". ;) |
Manic Velocity
Furious Angels
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Posted - 2014.01.28 15:42:00 -
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Pirmasis Sparagas wrote:I think free to play is a good thing. Think about it: if it was subscription based - everyone would pay the same amount of money. But if it's free to play, so some players don't pay at all, but other players will pay much much more than usual players.
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So with free to play model, Valkyrie can earn more with richer costumers, than subscription based.
Show me a product that is given away for free, and I'll show you a product that is worth as much as it costs.
Frankly, as a consumer, I don't really care about how much money Valkyrie brings in. I care more about Valkyrie providing a good experience. And if it does, I'm more than willing to pay for it. Even a monthly subscription.
The free-to-play/microtransaction model is terrible for creating a persistent virtual world the likes of EVE. Because the development philosophy shifts away from designing a good game and turns towards monetization of individual features. It allows developers to get away with making poorly designed games because, hey, it's free. It's the same concept as slapping the word "Beta" on everything. If it sucks, you have no right to complain because it's "still in beta".
There's much, much more I could say on this topic. Suffice to say I really hope that Valkyrie steers very clear of this business model.
Build a good game, and people will pay for it. They'll find a way to manage the cost if they feel it is worth it to them.
CCP, if you're reading this, I'll put my hand up right now and say with full confidence that, should Valkyrie prove worth it, I will pay a monthly sub fee for it. I've never subscribed to more than one game in my life, simply because I have yet to find two games that justify doing so. But if Valkyrie turns out to be that second game, I'm ready to hand over my money.
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Pirmasis Sparagas
Bullet Cluster
Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2014.01.28 17:11:00 -
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Crasniya wrote:I find it funny when someone makes an assumption directly contradictory to what we all know to be true, and then he's corrected by a dev. And is like "omgthankyou". ;)
ups sorry :) |
Xindi Kraid
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
711
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Posted - 2014.02.01 04:10:00 -
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Unless I am mistaken. Occulus Rift is for the PC |
Flamespar
Woof Club
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Posted - 2014.02.01 04:24:00 -
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THere is a VR headset coming for the PS4 isn't there?
Anyway. I hope this comes out on PS4. It would look amazing on my TV
I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone.
https://twitter.com/Flamespar |
Tysun Kane
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2014.02.02 06:27:00 -
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Will Valkyrie be tied to EVE online like dust or a separate game in itself? Like will I be able to take my toon from EVE and play that same toon on Valkyrie? Sorry if this is a old question I am just curious. |
Pirmasis Sparagas
Bullet Cluster
Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2014.02.02 23:10:00 -
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Xindi Kraid wrote:Unless I am mistaken. Occulus Rift is for the PC
Tes, you are right. To Windows, Mac OS and Linux if I'm not mistaken
Flamespar wrote:THere is a VR headset coming for the PS4 isn't there?
Anyway. I hope this comes out on PS4. It would look amazing on my TV
Sony are making they're own VR headset, so Oculus Rift should not be compatible with PS4, and Valkyrie is conformed to be on Oculus Rift via PC
Tysun Kane wrote:Will Valkyrie be tied to EVE online like dust or a separate game in itself? Like will I be able to take my toon from EVE and play that same toon on Valkyrie? Sorry if this is a old question I am just curious.
In the begining it will be separate game, but later will be tied like DUST. So it should be separate toons (EVE toons don't like to go to small ships) |
DaReaper
Net 7
The Last Brigade
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Posted - 2014.02.03 04:32:00 -
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IMO the only way it will be free to play is if its the game bundled with the rift. I.E. you buy a rift, you get EvE: Valkyrie free. Otherwise, depending on the rift interface, you will prolly have to pay for a game. Like you know if you can download from the oculus store, or have to go buy an actual cd. and as i said in a different thread, it would be wise to get some money for Valkyrie, then maybe later add things you can buy with plex's. If the game is a stand alone shooter with no mulitplayer, then free to play will not work as a good business model |
Pirmasis Sparagas
Bullet Cluster
Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2014.02.03 08:17:00 -
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DaReaper wrote:IMO the only way it will be free to play is if its the game bundled with the rift. I.E. you buy a rift, you get EvE: Valkyrie free. Otherwise, depending on the rift interface, you will prolly have to pay for a game. Like you know if you can download from the oculus store, or have to go buy an actual cd. and as i said in a different thread, it would be wise to get some money for Valkyrie, then maybe later add things you can buy with plex's. If the game is a stand alone shooter with no mulitplayer, then free to play will not work as a good business model
Valkyrie without multiplayer is like EVE without internet |
Azami Nevinyrall
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
1640
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Posted - 2014.02.03 09:11:00 -
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CCP Karuck wrote:And don't worry, we're not fans of pay-to-win games :P
Dust 514/Incarna.............just had to say it!
Stargates aren't located within POS shields. The stargate itself and everyone around it is vulnerable to attack. So why is a Titan located within a POS shield when a Jump Portal is activated? The Titans should not be allowed complete safety! |
Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
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Posted - 2014.02.05 18:44:00 -
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Jitacha wrote:Shame. Microtransactions suck.
Why can't CCP just deliver an AAA game and ask people to pay for it? Build a good game, ask them to pay and you will make a lot of money.
Because EA guys are everywhere.
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Call Rollard
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
The Fourth District
102
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Posted - 2014.02.07 23:12:00 -
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The Oculus Rift won't be coming to consoles due to limited capability as said by Oculus Developers.
So we won't be seeing any console games using the Oculus Rift. 
Therefore Valkyrie will be PC and PC only. |
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Oberine Noriepa
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Posted - 2014.02.08 07:45:00 -
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Azami Nevinyrall wrote:CCP Karuck wrote:And don't worry, we're not fans of pay-to-win games :P Dust 514/Incarna.............just had to say it!
Uhh... neither of those utilize a pay-to-win model. |
Gimme more Cynos
Du nervst geh sterben
133
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Posted - 2014.02.09 11:50:00 -
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Jitacha wrote:Shame. Microtransactions suck.
Why can't CCP just deliver an AAA game and ask people to pay for it? Build a good game, ask them to pay and you will make a lot of money.
I for one do not need another Sparkly-Diamonds-Online game...
Because the 10% nerds with limitless credit cards can sustain a game for millions of free players if the game offers enough stuff to spend a couple thousand bucks per month, even if they can't win the game with theat stuff.
I know that is silly, but it's called business. |
Admiral Gray Beard
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2014.02.09 16:34:00 -
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Oberine Noriepa wrote:Azami Nevinyrall wrote:CCP Karuck wrote:And don't worry, we're not fans of pay-to-win games :P Dust 514/Incarna.............just had to say it! Uhh... neither of those utilize a pay-to-win model.
Think he was inferring "microtransactions"
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DaReaper
Net 7
The Last Brigade
129
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Posted - 2014.02.09 21:25:00 -
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Clearly the free to play model makes money, probably not as steady as subscription, but you can see it really quickly if a games from subs to FTP it means they did not make enough and hope a FTP will bring in enough to survive, and it seems to work in STO, SW:TOR, Guildwars, and other games.
Its a crappy business model, but it obviously works. |
Sebastian N Cain
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
226
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Posted - 2014.02.10 03:48:00 -
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DaReaper wrote:Clearly the free to play model makes money, probably not as steady as subscription, but you can see it really quickly if a games from subs to FTP it means they did not make enough and hope a FTP will bring in enough to survive, and it seems to work in STO, SW:TOR, Guildwars, and other games.
Its a crappy business model, but it obviously works.
If Valkyrie has FTP that works like in Dungeon Keeper mobile, i'm so not going to buy it (as i currently plan to do).
I got lost in thought... it was unfamiliar territory. |
Noroswen
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
11
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Posted - 2014.02.12 01:03:00 -
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Jitacha wrote:And what do the players that pay more get for their money? If they get things that effect gameplay we have 'pay to win'. NO-ONE likes pay to win. Least of all the EVE community. If they get things that do not effect gameplay, then all you have is visual effects. Then you are hoping that people will pay more for visual effects than they would for the full game, if you asked them up front. I play a LOT of games. I have never paid more in visual effect micro-transactions than I have for a full game. Apart from Path of Exile, I can't think of one decent game that is supported by micro-transactions only. And even though Path of Exile is a great game, how much have I spent on their visual-effects-only-microtransactions? Zero. Oh, and Valkyrie does not require a rift to play http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-09-27-eve-dogfighter-valkyrie-doesnt-need-oculus-rift-to-play
DOTA,
People pay money for avatars
WOW
People pay money for those stupid pets and mounts
Dawn of fantasy
additional units that you dont need, but may want
A whole ton of mobile games/Facebook games
sad but true
Some places have pay to win, CCP learned their lesson after just discussing the possibility of pay to win in an internal news letter. Microtransactions for speed leveling (Similar to Dust items) or cosmetic things (Monicle anyone?) are not nessecarily non viable. Just because you arent willing to spend some cash on that awesome Camo Firblog skin doesnt mean other people arent willing to. Especially if you can spin your fighter in the hanger.
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Tyrant Scorn
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Posted - 2014.02.18 16:12:00 -
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I would love to play it, make videos about it and report on it for Evenews24.com if I could afford the 3D equipment but since that costs 300 to 500 bucks, I can't.
My gaming experiences pretty much stay with Eve Online and I'd love to get into Valkyrie but I am not going to pay 300 to 500 bucks just for that specific game.
As a news editor on Evenews24.com I think CCP should hook us up with those things and let us report on it because right now, we do not have the ability to test any of it
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DaReaper
Net 7
The Last Brigade
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Posted - 2014.02.18 16:47:00 -
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Tyrant Scorn wrote:I would love to play it, make videos about it and report on it for Evenews24.com if I could afford the 3D equipment but since that costs 300 to 500 bucks, I can't.
My gaming experiences pretty much stay with Eve Online and I'd love to get into Valkyrie but I am not going to pay 300 to 500 bucks just for that specific game.
As a news editor on Evenews24.com I think CCP should hook us up with those things and let us report on it because right now, we do not have the ability to test any of it
the current $300-500 is just the development kit, the consumer verison might be cheaper. |
Tyrant Scorn
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Posted - 2014.02.18 17:26:00 -
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DaReaper wrote:Tyrant Scorn wrote:I would love to play it, make videos about it and report on it for Evenews24.com if I could afford the 3D equipment but since that costs 300 to 500 bucks, I can't.
My gaming experiences pretty much stay with Eve Online and I'd love to get into Valkyrie but I am not going to pay 300 to 500 bucks just for that specific game.
As a news editor on Evenews24.com I think CCP should hook us up with those things and let us report on it because right now, we do not have the ability to test any of it the current $300-500 is just the development kit, the consumer verison might be cheaper.
I hope so but I doubt it will be alot cheaper.
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Miasmos
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
81
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Posted - 2014.02.18 23:06:00 -
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CCP Karuck wrote:
And don't worry, we're not fans of pay-to-win games :P
DUST 514 |
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