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Rivek
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Posted - 2006.03.30 05:27:00 -
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Phoenix or Naglfar? Which is better at sieging POS's? Which is better against battleship sized targets? Can a Naglfar be reasonably well shield tanked against a POS?
Any thoughts? Thx.
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SpaceDrake Taleweaver
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Posted - 2006.03.30 06:06:00 -
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The Phoenix is clearly the sexiest Dread for numerous reasons.
To me more specific, the 'Nix just seems like it can tank much, much better than a Nag can. 7 Mid, 5 Low vs. 5 Mid, 6 Low. And what's the Nag supposed to do with that fifth high? Nos?
Also, it seems like the 'Nix might have a greater damage potential with Rift CTorps. Assuming you've got good skills, then you're talking about about 2600 damage per torpedo before Ballistic Controls are taken into account. Even on a Battleship, three of those doing half that damage, with the RoF bonus?... ouch.
Now, it isn't the king of dominating smaller ships. That's the Moros, no question. That drone bonus is madness ATM. But the Nag seems, to me, to suffer from Minmatar Syndrome: it tries to do a little too much of everything and doesn't succeed well enough at any of it. If given the skills and the choice right now I'd pick a 'Nix.
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aeti
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Posted - 2006.03.30 06:12:00 -
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 Originally by: SpaceDrake Taleweaver
And what's the Nag supposed to do with that fifth high? Nos?
you lost all credability there
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Asurix
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Posted - 2006.03.30 06:13:00 -
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Originally by: SpaceDrake Taleweaver
The Phoenix is clearly the sexiest Dread for numerous reasons.
To me more specific, the 'Nix just seems like it can tank much, much better than a Nag can. 7 Mid, 5 Low vs. 5 Mid, 6 Low. And what's the Nag supposed to do with that fifth high? Nos?
Also, it seems like the 'Nix might have a greater damage potential with Rift CTorps. Assuming you've got good skills, then you're talking about about 2600 damage per torpedo before Ballistic Controls are taken into account. Even on a Battleship, three of those doing half that damage, with the RoF bonus?... ouch.
Now, it isn't the king of dominating smaller ships. That's the Moros, no question. That drone bonus is madness ATM. But the Nag seems, to me, to suffer from Minmatar Syndrome: it tries to do a little too much of everything and doesn't succeed well enough at any of it. If given the skills and the choice right now I'd pick a 'Nix.
Clearly, you have no idea what a Dread is ;)
fifth high is Siege mode?
And Naglfar is the best dread atm cuz it has the highest dps against POS' = best dread
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SpaceDrake Taleweaver
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Posted - 2006.03.30 06:20:00 -
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... yyyyeah, I just ran back over here to be like "OMFG, Siege module, that makes sense." :x
Still, though. Double bonus to torps vs. bonuses to two different weapon types. Plus the clearly superior tank. Obviously, the numbers would need crunched, but on the whole I think the 'Nix would still come out on top.
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Asurix
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Posted - 2006.03.30 06:22:00 -
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well it's been calculated that the naglfar has the highest DPS on a POS which makes it come out as #1 =P Alot of people who fly the phoenix also told me they'd rather have bought a Moros, and a phoenix is not reliable with lag cuz shield boosters are usually manually controlled.
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The Cold
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Posted - 2006.03.30 06:29:00 -
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Revelation, enough said. Tanks like a mother******, supply it with a target painter ant those bs will pop like flies. Laser tracking 4tw.
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SpaceDrake Taleweaver
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Posted - 2006.03.30 06:42:00 -
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Well, right now people want to buy Moroses for reasons that are rather unrelated to POSes. :p 50% drone damage and HP per level, total insanity. The Moros needs a nerf like yeah.
And no offense, but saying that you shouldn't fly a Phoenix because of lag is like saying a Raven is useless because it might get hit with a lagspike.  I know ships tend to swarm around Dreads like flies, but come on. If your Dread pilot isn't on a stable, secure connection and isn't running a good PC which can handle a good-size battle, you've got problems before you even undock.
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KilROCK
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Posted - 2006.03.30 06:46:00 -
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Edited by: KilROCK on 30/03/2006 06:46:46
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And what's the Nag supposed to do with that fifth high? Nos?
Ignored your posts after that one.
Originally by: KilROCK
My sig are under or 24kb, Each of them. SO PAWS OFF, that's the 3rd time, seriously annoyed now.
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SpaceDrake Taleweaver
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Posted - 2006.03.30 06:48:00 -
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Originally by: KilROCK
Edited by: KilROCK on 30/03/2006 06:46:46
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And what's the Nag supposed to do with that fifth high? Nos?
Ignored your posts after that one.
I'm never going to live that one down, am I? 
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.03.30 07:00:00 -
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the correct dread 
sigs of the 23/24/25 hijack just as well -eris
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Boonaki
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Posted - 2006.03.30 08:33:00 -
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Originally by: HippoKing
the correct dread
Damn it, ya beat me to it.
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Sha'blach
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Posted - 2006.03.30 08:59:00 -
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I'd say the Revelation - I flew one a little while back and loved it. As said above, the tanks like a mofo and get some target painters; wooboy - you'll be raping battleships left and right. Not only that, but it can easily tank most other dreadnaughts without any problem what so ever.
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Testy Mctest
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Posted - 2006.03.30 09:03:00 -
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Originally by: SpaceDrake Taleweaver
Edited by: SpaceDrake Taleweaver on 30/03/2006 06:49:45
The Phoenix is clearly the sexiest Dread for numerous reasons.
To me more specific, the 'Nix just seems like it can tank much, much better than a Nag can. 7 Mid, 5 Low vs. 5 Mid, 6 Low. And what's the Nag supposed to do with that fifth high? Nos?* see below
Also, it seems like the 'Nix might have a greater damage potential with Rift CTorps. Assuming you've got good skills, then you're talking about about 2600 damage per torpedo before Ballistic Controls are taken into account. Even on a Battleship, three of those doing half that damage, with the RoF bonus?... ouch.
Now, it isn't the king of dominating smaller ships. That's the Moros, no question. That drone bonus is madness ATM. But the Nag seems, to me, to suffer from Minmatar Syndrome: it tries to do a little too much of everything and doesn't succeed well enough at any of it. If given the skills and the choice right now I'd pick a 'Nix.
EDIT: Yes, the bolded statement may be the dumbest comment made on this forum in the past six months. I leave it intact and bolded for people to marvel at my temporary lapse in mental capacity.
People who don't fly a ship shouldn't try to answer authoratively :P
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Nafri
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Posted - 2006.03.30 09:44:00 -
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rivek, just ask me ingame 
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Jawas are lousy carebears :(
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pfffft
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Posted - 2006.03.30 10:29:00 -
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Jawas are lousy carebears :(
yep, but they blob a lot
nice sig naf
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pfffft
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Posted - 2006.03.30 10:32:00 -
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Jawas are lousy carebears :(
yep, but they blob a lot - "mutini"
nice sig naf
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Jim Steele
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Posted - 2006.03.30 10:37:00 -
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Out of the two, I'd go for the pheonix, Caldari have the better carrier...
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BlackHawk177
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Posted - 2006.03.30 10:46:00 -
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Originally by: HippoKing
the correct dread
No, it's The Correct DreadÖ get it right
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Hamatitio
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Posted - 2006.03.30 10:47:00 -
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tact shield 5 = ouch :(
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T'namo Celai
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Posted - 2006.03.30 11:14:00 -
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Originally by: SpaceDrake Taleweaver
And no offense, but saying that you shouldn't fly a Phoenix because of lag is like saying a Raven is useless because it might get hit with a lagspike. I know ships tend to swarm around Dreads like flies, but come on. If your Dread pilot isn't on a stable, secure connection and isn't running a good PC which can handle a good-size battle, you've got problems before you even undock.
Please try a real siege op before making posts like that..
Did you know that during the time it takes to set a L pos into reinforced mode (somewhere between 30 and 90 minutes, depending on hardeners and amount of dreads), you're almost bound to relog at least once, just because of the memleaks in eve?
The amount of FPS you will get just looking at the tower will be 15-25 at start, and as soon as even hits 900+MB ram, it gets laggy. Yes, even with 2 GB of ram.
Actually: even 4 GB of ram wont safe you here since eve just grows by a few MB per second..
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Nafri
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Posted - 2006.03.30 13:55:00 -
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Originally by: pfffft
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Jawas are lousy carebears :(
yep, but they blob a lot
nice sig naf
too bad I cant get it small enough 
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Jawas are lousy carebears :(
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