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Tiel Reynolds Blood Raven Clan 0	Posted - 2014.01.28 23:58:00 - [1] - Quote I drive a drone boat...I am heavily drone skilled. Today I have found the Optimal Range of all my T2 Sentries cut in half. The Accuracy Falloff hasn't changed. I submitted a bug report and I'm hopeful the 50% range slice is an error and will be fixed. I've gone through the patch notes and don't see anything related to Sentry drones. Some people say this is CCPs way of saying "get out of High Sec".
Tyberius Franklin Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 986	Posted - 2014.01.29 00:08:00 - [2] - Quote https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=313116 Also some are reporting that the drones in bay seem to no longer be showing the effect of Omni's even when turned on.
Hasikan Miallok Republic University Minmatar Republic 224	Posted - 2014.01.29 00:11:00 - [3] - Quote Tiel Reynolds wrote: I drive a drone boat...I am heavily drone skilled. Today I have found the Optimal Range of all my T2 Sentries cut in half. The Accuracy Falloff hasn't changed. I submitted a bug report and I'm hopeful the 50% range slice is an error and will be fixed. I've gone through the patch notes and don't see anything related to Sentry drones. Some people say this is CCPs way of saying "get out of High Sec". You need to put scripts in your omnis now. Stilla nerf but not near as bad when you use scripts. Actually the main nerf is to non hull bonused boats and to Garde which are nerfed badly. My ratting Domi hitting at 160km with Bouncers in falloff is relatively unaffected once I fit tracking scripts. Ironically this change is going to make the Domi/Ishtar even more dominant as the boats of choice for drone users. Kinda sux for Geedon/Rattler/etc users though.
Hasikan Miallok Republic University Minmatar Republic 224	Posted - 2014.01.29 00:13:00 - [4] - Quote double post ****
John Bosch State War Academy Caldari State 56	Posted - 2014.01.29 00:20:00 - [5] - Quote Oh look, this thread again.
Unsuccessful At Everything The Troll Bridge 9611	Posted - 2014.01.29 00:21:00 - [6] - Quote Working as intended. *Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?*
RAIN Arthie The Ascended Fleet Intrepid Crossing 219	Posted - 2014.01.29 00:22:00 - [7] - Quote Used to be able to hit things with curators at 80+ now to do any real damage need to be 70 or less. I guess we go to sniper ships?
Derath Ellecon Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal 2001	Posted - 2014.01.29 00:23:00 - [8] - Quote Hasikan Miallok wrote: Overall I think the purpose of this change is more part of the "dumbing down" of EVE to make everything similar and easier for new players rather than an intentional nerf. I don't see how this particular change is in any way a dumbing down. If anything it just makes things a little more consistent. Other tracking computers are active and use scripts. It makes more sense that these do too.
Unsuccessful At Everything The Troll Bridge 9611	Posted - 2014.01.29 00:28:00 - [9] - Quote 5000 threads screaming for sentry nerfs, when it finally happened, they were replaced with 50000 threads crying about sentry nerfs. I looked into the future, read tomorrows forum posts and pulled that jewel out to share with you. *Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?*
Tyberius Franklin Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 987	Posted - 2014.01.29 00:28:00 - [10] - Quote Derath Ellecon wrote: Hasikan Miallok wrote: Overall I think the purpose of this change is more part of the "dumbing down" of EVE to make everything similar and easier for new players rather than an intentional nerf. I don't see how this particular change is in any way a dumbing down. If anything it just makes things a little more consistent. Other tracking computers are active and use scripts. It makes more sense that these do too. That said other guns can't be individually damaged or destroyed and don't need yet a whole different module to engage targets beyond 60km on top of any needed locking and weapon range enhancements. It was all take and no give here when it came to the downside of drone use.
Hasikan Miallok Republic University Minmatar Republic 225	Posted - 2014.01.29 00:30:00 - [11] - Quote Unsuccessful At Everything wrote: 5000 threads screaming for sentry nerfs, when it finally happened, they were replaced with 50000 threads crying about sentry nerfs. I looked into the future, read tomorrows forum posts and pulled that jewel out to share with you. You can't ever keep everyone happy. On an off-topic note. has anyone else noticed the stealth slight un-nerf of RLML and RHML ??
Tyberius Franklin Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 987	Posted - 2014.01.29 00:31:00 - [12] - Quote Unsuccessful At Everything wrote: 5000 threads screaming for sentry nerfs, when it finally happened, they were replaced with 50000 threads crying about sentry nerfs. I looked into the future, read tomorrows forum posts and pulled that jewel out to share with you. I mostly saw drone assist nerf threads, and still see no drone assist nerf. I don't really recall much positive feedback from the thread this was announced in either, just a lot of people saying the mark was missed on what to nerf.
Tyberius Franklin Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 987	Posted - 2014.01.29 00:31:00 - [13] - Quote Hasikan Miallok wrote: Unsuccessful At Everything wrote: 5000 threads screaming for sentry nerfs, when it finally happened, they were replaced with 50000 threads crying about sentry nerfs. I looked into the future, read tomorrows forum posts and pulled that jewel out to share with you. You can't ever keep everyone happy. On an off-topic note. has anyone else noticed the stealth slight un-nerf of RLML and RHML ?? I thought there were posts on that, did it not make the patch notes?
Derath Ellecon Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal 2001	Posted - 2014.01.29 00:32:00 - [14] - Quote Tyberius Franklin wrote: Derath Ellecon wrote: Hasikan Miallok wrote: Overall I think the purpose of this change is more part of the "dumbing down" of EVE to make everything similar and easier for new players rather than an intentional nerf. I don't see how this particular change is in any way a dumbing down. If anything it just makes things a little more consistent. Other tracking computers are active and use scripts. It makes more sense that these do too. That said other guns can't be individually damaged or destroyed and don't need yet a whole different module to engage targets beyond 60km on top of any needed locking and weapon range enhancements. It was all take and no give here when it came to the downside of drone use. Not saying i liked it either. But to say it is a move that "dumb's down EVE" isn't very accurate.
Kimmi Chan Tastes Like Purple 870	Posted - 2014.01.29 00:32:00 - [15] - Quote Unsuccessful At Everything wrote: 5000 threads screaming for sentry nerfs, when it finally happened, they were replaced with 50000 threads crying about sentry nerfs. I looked into the future, read tomorrows forum posts and pulled that jewel out to share with you. Nerf threads! "You should just create one thread and put all of your complaints in it instead of littering the forums with multiple threads." ~CCP Falcon [Member of The BrownCoat Syndicate]
Bertrand Butler Cras es Noster 156	Posted - 2014.01.29 00:33:00 - [16] - Quote Don't underestimate falloff and tracking scripts. Damage application against a MWD spiraling Crow target in lowsec. http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f9/Dante80/bellycancer/29-Jan-1402-09-54_zpsbb673d33.jpg Many will not notice it, but Rubicon 1.1 indirectly fixed Curators for PvP. C: PvE. Damage application against elite cruiser (Dire Pithum Eraser). http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f9/Dante80/bellycancer/1_zps8ceaaaac.jpg
Hasikan Miallok Republic University Minmatar Republic 225	Posted - 2014.01.29 00:34:00 - [17] - Quote Tyberius Franklin wrote: Unsuccessful At Everything wrote: 5000 threads screaming for sentry nerfs, when it finally happened, they were replaced with 50000 threads crying about sentry nerfs. I looked into the future, read tomorrows forum posts and pulled that jewel out to share with you. I mostly saw drone assist nerf threads, and still see no drone assist nerf. I don't really recall much positive feedback from the thread this was announced in either, just a lot of people saying the mark was missed on what to nerf. Pretty much ... it nerfed unbonused hulls which were already underwhelming and Garde which are hard to use AFK and had little effect on AFK sniping domis and drone assist doctrines at all.
Unsuccessful At Everything The Troll Bridge 9611	Posted - 2014.01.29 00:35:00 - [18] - Quote Kimmi Chan wrote: Nerf threads! You can nerf my threads, but you will never nerf my freeeeeeedddooooooommmmm to make threads. (unless you are a chronic abuser of the New Topic Button, then your freedom to make threads needs to be nerfed.) *Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?*
Tyberius Franklin Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 988	Posted - 2014.01.29 00:37:00 - [19] - Quote Derath Ellecon wrote: Not saying i liked it either. But to say it is a move that "dumb's down EVE" isn't very accurate. what We got before the change was "to make things (partially) consistant we did this thing" and after we got a token "they aren't broken so it's ok." With that, while possibly exaggerated, if we take them at their word it is kind of insinuated that sameness, which can be read as simplicity, was the goal.
RAIN Arthie The Ascended Fleet Intrepid Crossing 219	Posted - 2014.01.29 00:37:00 - [20] - Quote Bought my drones quafe and Viagra. I poured it into their gas tank. Hoping it will fix things.
Mario Putzo Welping and Dunking. 155	Posted - 2014.01.29 00:37:00 - [21] - Quote Tyberius Franklin wrote: Hasikan Miallok wrote: Unsuccessful At Everything wrote: 5000 threads screaming for sentry nerfs, when it finally happened, they were replaced with 50000 threads crying about sentry nerfs. I looked into the future, read tomorrows forum posts and pulled that jewel out to share with you. You can't ever keep everyone happy. On an off-topic note. has anyone else noticed the stealth slight un-nerf of RLML and RHML ?? I thought there were posts on that, did it not make the patch notes? There were notes on this change. There were also notes on the changes to omni's, and there have been posts where devs have acknowledge the changes are working as intended. So lets all get pissed off and dumps some more Titans into B-R to unwind.
Hasikan Miallok Republic University Minmatar Republic 226	Posted - 2014.01.29 00:42:00 - [22] - Quote Tyberius Franklin wrote: Hasikan Miallok wrote: Unsuccessful At Everything wrote: 5000 threads screaming for sentry nerfs, when it finally happened, they were replaced with 50000 threads crying about sentry nerfs. I looked into the future, read tomorrows forum posts and pulled that jewel out to share with you. You can't ever keep everyone happy. On an off-topic note. has anyone else noticed the stealth slight un-nerf of RLML and RHML ?? I thought there were posts on that, did it not make the patch notes? Yep, the change missed the notes completely but has actually been implemented.
I Love Boobies All Hail Boobies 996	Posted - 2014.01.29 01:54:00 - [23] - Quote I dislike the changes to the omnis, but it's not as bad as I thought it would be. Still hitting @ 90km with my garde IIs in my Domi. That's with 2 optimal range scripts. Plus one optimal range rig. Around 70km without the scripts. Might not be the optimal range for the sentries, but still can hit that far, so not too disappointed.
Batelle Komm susser Tod 1427	Posted - 2014.01.29 01:58:00 - [24] - Quote Tyberius Franklin wrote: Derath Ellecon wrote: Hasikan Miallok wrote: Overall I think the purpose of this change is more part of the "dumbing down" of EVE to make everything similar and easier for new players rather than an intentional nerf. I don't see how this particular change is in any way a dumbing down. If anything it just makes things a little more consistent. Other tracking computers are active and use scripts. It makes more sense that these do too. That said other guns can't be individually damaged or destroyed and don't need yet a whole different module to engage targets beyond 60km on top of any needed locking and weapon range enhancements. It was all take and no give here when it came to the downside of drone use. "use gardes at every range vs every enemy in every situation" is pretty dumbed down already. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!" Never forget.
Natassia Krasnoo R3D SHIFT Brothers Of The Dark Sun 116	Posted - 2014.01.29 01:58:00 - [25] - Quote RAIN Arthie wrote: Bought my drones quafe and Viagra. I poured it into their gas tank. Hoping it will fix things. Didn't they tell you? That is how Rogue Drones are created. What have you done?!
djentropy Ovaert Crazy Bird Inc. 2	Posted - 2014.01.29 02:13:00 - [26] - Quote RAIN Arthie wrote: Bought my drones quafe and Viagra. I poured it into their gas tank. Hoping it will fix things. I just died a little inside. :P
Tyberius Franklin Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 988	Posted - 2014.01.29 02:33:00 - [27] - Quote Batelle wrote: "use gardes at every range vs every enemy in every situation" is pretty dumbed down already. You only really did that in a domi, and guess which ship looks even more attractive for drone users? So to your point, yes "use a domi whenever using sentries" is pretty dumbed down.
SmilingVagrant GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2393	Posted - 2014.01.29 02:34:00 - [28] - Quote "i don't read patch notes, better post"
Hasikan Miallok Republic University Minmatar Republic 227	Posted - 2014.01.29 02:40:00 - [29] - Quote To give CCP some credit, part of the nerf is apparently meant to compensate for the fact you can now overheat. Though I must also say that I cannot think of many situations using sentries where you would want to overheat.
Velnia U S Navy 0	Posted - 2014.01.29 03:35:00 - [30] - Quote This morning, I was heavily ticked off about this change. I've cooled down, but I'm still not convinced. At the very least, I've made it work. I agree with those who speak of "sameness". It leaves me with a bad aftertaste considering that there is no low slot equivalent to the tracking enhancer. It's exactly what I would normally use in a gun boat to achieve the desired effect. It's also a fact that the range and tracking numbers in the show info pane are just broken now that they have made this change. They still have work to do.

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