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Camber Nomas
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Posted - 2006.03.30 19:48:00 -
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A friend and I started throwing around an idea last night during the long trek between trade points. We started out comparing ships and along the way my friend noticed how it would be easier to get into a battleship than the tier 2 destroyer he liked. I pointed out that you would still need the secondary skills like large turrets in order to run a battleship effectively. "Nah," he joked, "I'd throw on small turrets and run circles around other BS's."
That got us thinking: how feasible would it be to take a larger ship and "frigatize" it? We decided that a cruiser would be the best compromise. Completely nanofiber the hull for maneuverability and speeed. Amarr seem to have the most low slots on average. Small turrets for turret tracking. We never quite nailed down what to do with the middle slots, but something to reduce the signature might be a good start. It would be as unexpected as the Spanish Inquisition, but would it survive and succeed?
We had fun debating the pro's and con's, what do you think? :)
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Boozy Tatupu
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Posted - 2006.03.30 19:49:00 -
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A Stabber might be a good starting point. They're pretty fast cruisers.
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Karl Mattar
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Posted - 2006.03.30 19:50:00 -
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I think I'm not letting you anywhere near my ship designs.
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2006.03.30 19:53:00 -
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I used to use a Thorax with a full rack of 150mm railguns and a monster tank in the lows. It works well. But I'm thinking you're trying to make something as fast as a frigate too, which might not work for a lot of ships. Go for it :D.
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Eximius Josari
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Posted - 2006.03.30 19:55:00 -
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I used to use Medium Beams (Frig Lasers) on Stabbers lol.
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Camber Nomas
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Posted - 2006.03.30 19:55:00 -
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 Originally by: Karl Mattar
I think I'm not letting you anywhere near my ship designs.
  
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Valea Silpha
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Posted - 2006.03.30 19:56:00 -
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To be honest, using all your lows for nanofibre is a BAD idea. The only reason to mount frig guns on a general purpose cruiser is so you can mount an uber tank.
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Montero
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Posted - 2006.03.30 19:56:00 -
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get a nano stabber with a t2 mwd and it goes crazy fast for a t1 cruiser. turns like a frig too, and it works ok with a large shield extender on to give it a bit of durability.
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Eximius Josari
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Posted - 2006.03.30 19:58:00 -
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Originally by: Valea Silpha
To be honest, using all your lows for nanofibre is a BAD idea. The only reason to mount frig guns on a general purpose cruiser is so you can mount an uber tank.
You could put three Extender IIs on it (or 2 and one AB).. Damage Control in low and 2 nanofibers (or 2 PDS). Probably best to put Assaults in the launcher slots.
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Camber Nomas
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Posted - 2006.03.30 20:01:00 -
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Originally by: Nyphur
I used to use a Thorax with a full rack of 150mm railguns and a monster tank in the lows. It works well. But I'm thinking you're trying to make something as fast as a frigate too, which might not work for a lot of ships. Go for it :D.
Fast, but I think the main concern was being nimble like a frigate. A frigate has to get in close and take advantage of transverse velocity/turret tracking vs. cruisers (remember this started out as BS on BS action.) Frigates are really less of a concern given a cruiser's shield and armor.
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NateX
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Posted - 2006.03.30 20:25:00 -
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Originally by: Camber Nomas
Edited by: Camber Nomas on 30/03/2006 20:13:30
Originally by: Nyphur
I used to use a Thorax with a full rack of 150mm railguns and a monster tank in the lows. It works well. But I'm thinking you're trying to make something as fast as a frigate too, which might not work for a lot of ships. Go for it :D.
Fast, but I think the main concern was being nimble like a frigate. A frigate has to get in close and take advantage of transverse velocity/turret tracking vs. cruisers (remember this started out as BS on BS action.) Frigates are really less of a concern given a cruiser's shield and armor.
Nerf that picture they will!
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LCIceo
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Posted - 2006.03.30 20:28:00 -
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hmm... good idea. I could fit an apoc with 8 civilian guns... 
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Lygos
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Posted - 2006.03.30 20:33:00 -
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Hah. That's going on the desktop.
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Derrys
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Posted - 2006.03.30 20:48:00 -
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I sometimes fly a speed-fitted Raven against Guristas pirates and rogue drones. Five local hull nanofibers in the low slots, and it moves and handles like a light cruiser. It sounds silly, but it works very well. It lets you dictate the terms of the engagement, and keep your distance if you want.
I wouldn't try it against other pod pilots except in unusual circumstances, but for mission-running it's great. Speeds up looting if you don't feel like running to grab a hauler, too.
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Rhoni
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Posted - 2006.03.30 21:57:00 -
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I am a complete beginner but I have a rupture that I have tried to do something simmilar with.
4x d180s
2x assault launcher
AB
Tracking Disruptor
Web
3xNanofibers
Gyrostabilizer
800mm plate
Works great for rattin, only time I ever was in PvP I webbed and they ran. I am new so cut me some slack.
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Cade Morrigan
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Posted - 2006.03.31 06:04:00 -
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This Moa could be fun:
HIGH-SLOTS :
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> [ 10 | 16] 150mm Prototype I Gauss Gun [40xAntimatter Charge S]
> [ 10 | 16] 150mm Prototype I Gauss Gun [40xAntimatter Charge S]
> [ 10 | 16] 150mm Prototype I Gauss Gun [40xAntimatter Charge S]
> [ 10 | 16] 150mm Prototype I Gauss Gun [40xAntimatter Charge S]
> [ 175 | 24] Medium 'Ghoul' Energy Siphon I
> [ 175 | 24] Medium 'Ghoul' Energy Siphon I
MED-SLOTS :
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> [ 50 | 25] 10MN Afterburner I
> [ 150 | 80] Large Clarity Ward Booster I
> [ 0 | 34] V-M15 Braced Multispectral Shield Matrix
> [ 1 | 20] 'Langour' Drive Disruptor I
LOW-SLOTS :
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> [ 0 | 0] Type-D Altered SS Nanofiber Structure
> [ 0 | 0] Type-D Altered SS Nanofiber Structure
> [ 0 | 0] Type-D Altered SS Nanofiber Structure
> [ 0 | 0] Type-D Altered SS Nanofiber Structure
And it also might suck, but it'll speed along at 600m/sec which is pretty cool.
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Beringe
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Posted - 2006.03.31 06:14:00 -
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You'll still have too high signature radius, which means you'll be hit pretty easily.
Frigates rely on speed *and* low signature radius for avoiding hits.
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LUKEC
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Posted - 2006.03.31 07:45:00 -
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I'm flying stabber with cruiser size blasters:P
And thinking i fly vagabond :P
Originally by: Commander Nikolas
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Wild Fox
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Posted - 2006.03.31 07:58:00 -
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Heh.
Take a Caracal, mount five rocket launchers in the highs; two webs (just in case for inties), an MWD, a scrambler, and a large shield extender in the mids; and something like damage controls/PDU/BCU in the lows.
Go bait AFs and inties into thinking you're easy prey and attacking you at close range. They'll be VERY surprised :-)
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Nyack
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Posted - 2006.03.31 09:26:00 -
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one cruiser that can truly pull it of is support cruiser..
scimitar for example..
fit 2x 220mm auto 1 assault missile and one med nosf
med: mwd 2x multispectral 20km scrambler med shield booster
low use nanofibers and damagecontrol
then u have a ship that is frig size in sig radius 60 i think if i remember correct. it can jam most ship solo with good skills 2km approach speed. granted damage suck on them(need ganker friends) but as a tackler it is superb u might even want to change teh nosf to a transporter.. and it only cost 20m to buy the ship =) and ooh it tanks like a hac making it a though nut to *****
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Synapse Archae
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Posted - 2006.03.31 11:33:00 -
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The three things you need are
signature radius / speed / cap
for one of these ships.
The difficulty would be even if you got all the speed and fit a bunch of modules to make you hard to hit (tracking disruptors and 2x abs maybe)
you dont want to get there and get nossed to death. At that point, why bring a cruiser when a frig would be cheaper?
Personally I'm messing with a tackling vexor, which uses MWD but tanks so it doesnt really care if it gets targeted fast.
High: 4x med nos, drone dammage or HP augmentor
Med: Cap booster, MWD, 7,500m Scram (Variant1: Tracking Disruptor, MWD, 7500m scram) (VariantII: 7500m scram, 2 sensor boosters [faster targeting of frigs])
Low: 3x EAN II, armor repairer II
In fact it may have too much cap, but I would hate to have it run out.
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Yarek Balear
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Posted - 2006.03.31 11:36:00 -
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Edited by: Yarek Balear on 31/03/2006 11:35:24
Have to say that when we came up against a Vagabond in low sec and saw he was doing 5200m/s, it had us all shouting "WTF, haxor" or something like that... After chatting to him, it appears it was just a heavily factioned (& implanted) setup, but it was an awesome pirating vessel...
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Ernest Graefenberg
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Posted - 2006.03.31 11:47:00 -
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Yeah, that sounds like your standard Vagabond running around. If you don't have 'matari HACs trained, theres always the Stabber for some speed. Frig guns are optional even, as it can fit an MWD, 2 Nos and 180mms and an MWD without any trouble. But the excessive tracking and sig resolution from small turrets kicks ass, so go for it.
The other option is a kiting cruiser, which works pretty nicely. Its just like a kiting frig (disruptor, guns with the appropriate range, no huge plates please) except that it has a better cap. The Ashimmu is obviously the ultimate in that regard, but even without being able to web at 20k theres the Thorax and Stabber for that, or if you don't mind cutting it close with the speed the Moa and Omen.
Doing that is more viable than making a speedy cruiser a shortrange boat, because short-range boats rely heavily on tank and cap (which you can do with a cruiser, but it'll just be less fast). Cruisers are pretty awesome though for doing whatever the hell you feel like with them.
Also, if you really, really care - the lightest cruiser is the Vigilant and weighs in at 8000 tons. Thats off the top of my head, so don't smack me if its off by a zero.
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Ernest Graefenberg
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Posted - 2006.03.31 11:49:00 -
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Originally by: LUKEC
I'm flying stabber with cruiser size blasters:P
You mean frig sized? Also welcome to the club.
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Viktor Fyretracker
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Posted - 2006.03.31 15:21:00 -
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Originally by: Beringe
You'll still have too high signature radius, which means you'll be hit pretty easily.
Frigates rely on speed *and* low signature radius for avoiding hits.
this is where my idea of a new armor thing comes in, "Stealth Plating" it absorbs some of the sensor emissions and makes you appear smaller.
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Kvarium Ki
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Posted - 2006.03.31 16:34:00 -
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The auguror is often overlooked and I think it would fit in well to this type of fitting. It has a small signature radius, plenty of low slots and a very good sensor resolution for a cruiser.
KK
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