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        |  Ciar Meara
 Virtus Vindice
 
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       | Posted - 2011.11.09 13:30:00 -
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 The full article has been linked and is on the DUST514 website but the most important part is highlighted below.
 
 How will these guys compare to Capsuleers, they seem to be locked in a pod same as us with a situational awareness interface and in control of their ship.
 
 http://www.dust514.com/en/news/article/3073/the-future-of-war-dust-514-39-s-mobile-command-center-mcc
 
 Locked within the confines of a modified hydrostatic pod, that the commander orchestrates the fate of those on the ground below. He does so having never set foot on the battlefield, but with the collective knowledge and situational awareness of every unit that has.
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        |  Cailais
 Rekall Incorporated
 
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       | Posted - 2011.11.09 14:19:00 -
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 Ciar Meara wrote:The full article has been linked and is on the DUST514 website but the most important part is highlighted below. How will these guys compare to Capsuleers, they seem to be locked in a pod same as us with a situational awareness interface and in control of their ship.http://www.dust514.com/en/news/article/3073/the-future-of-war-dust-514-39-s-mobile-command-center-mcc Locked within the confines of a modified hydrostatic pod, that the commander orchestrates the fate of those on the ground below. He does so having never set foot on the battlefield, but with the collective knowledge and situational awareness of every unit that has.
 
 The closest comparison would be with fleet FCs - players with strong personalities who are able to convey information and directions accurately and succinctly by voice whilst having a good degree of situational awareness will be well suited to this role.
 
 My questions are really more concerned about how much of the 'battle picture' is viewable to EVEs capsuleers - if its just a dry contracts process with a "you won / you lost" email at the end of it then for EVEs players at least DUST will be something of a non-event.
 
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        |  Grideris
 Fleet Coordination Command
 Fleet Coordination Coalition
 
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       | Posted - 2011.11.09 14:43:00 -
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 Cailais wrote:Ciar Meara wrote:The full article has been linked and is on the DUST514 website but the most important part is highlighted below. How will these guys compare to Capsuleers, they seem to be locked in a pod same as us with a situational awareness interface and in control of their ship.http://www.dust514.com/en/news/article/3073/the-future-of-war-dust-514-39-s-mobile-command-center-mcc Locked within the confines of a modified hydrostatic pod, that the commander orchestrates the fate of those on the ground below. He does so having never set foot on the battlefield, but with the collective knowledge and situational awareness of every unit that has.
 The closest comparison would be with fleet FCs - players with strong personalities who are able to convey information and directions accurately and succinctly by voice whilst having a good degree of situational awareness will be well suited to this role.  My questions are really more concerned about how much of the 'battle picture' is viewable to EVEs capsuleers - if its just a dry contracts process with a "you won / you lost" email at the end of it then for EVEs players at least DUST will be something of a non-event. C. 
 Well considering that there will be live orbital bombardment, I would think there would be some lind of overview, even if it's delayed. Something like an over view of all the objectives (who has what) as well as any other information available on the map to people in game (so as to not give any extra advantages). Admittedly though, having an EVE player in orbit may open the door for surveillance, making it easier to find enemies on the ground.
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        |  Kietay Ayari
 
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       | Posted - 2011.11.09 16:07:00 -
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 There will not be live orbital bombardment where you target anything at launch or ever throughout the game's development. I think a lot of people have a very very wrong idea of what Dust will be. At the VERY most a player in EVE will be required to have a ship somewhere in orbit during a fight in Dust. But even that will be a long way off. It is much more likely you will be paying for an orbital bombardment with ISK when you contract a battle and that will give the players in Dust the ability to use it.
 
 There is really no way to connect these two games in real time like some people expect. D: Especially if you actually expect to see the Dust battlefield. You may eventually get a little popup on your screen in EVE that says: Player requesting orbital strike. You click accept and on their end they get to use it.
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        |  Cailais
 Rekall Incorporated
 
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       | Posted - 2011.11.09 16:28:00 -
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 Kietay Ayari wrote:There will not be live orbital bombardment where you target anything at launch or ever throughout the game's development. I think a lot of people have a very very wrong idea of what Dust will be. At the VERY most a player in EVE will be required to have a ship somewhere in orbit during a fight in Dust. But even that will be a long way off. It is much more likely you will be paying for an orbital bombardment with ISK when you contract a battle and that will give the players in Dust the ability to use it.
 There is really no way to connect these two games in real time like some people expect. D: Especially if you actually expect to see the Dust battlefield. You may eventually get a little popup on your screen in EVE that says: Player requesting orbital strike. You click accept and on their end they get to use it.
 
 Interesting. What's the source of that information?
 
 C.
 
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        |  Eru GoEller
 State War Academy
 Caldari State
 
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       | Posted - 2011.11.09 16:46:00 -
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 Couldn't capsuleers get a live stream or outtakes from the ground battle into the TV in CQ?
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        |  Hallorin
 State War Academy
 Caldari State
 
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       | Posted - 2011.11.09 16:54:00 -
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 Cailais wrote:Kietay Ayari wrote:There will not be live orbital bombardment where you target anything at launch or ever throughout the game's development. I think a lot of people have a very very wrong idea of what Dust will be. At the VERY most a player in EVE will be required to have a ship somewhere in orbit during a fight in Dust. But even that will be a long way off. It is much more likely you will be paying for an orbital bombardment with ISK when you contract a battle and that will give the players in Dust the ability to use it.
 There is really no way to connect these two games in real time like some people expect. D: Especially if you actually expect to see the Dust battlefield. You may eventually get a little popup on your screen in EVE that says: Player requesting orbital strike. You click accept and on their end they get to use it.
 Interesting. What's the source of that information? C. 
 
 Seems like common sense to me. All those eve vision of the future videos have gotten people's hopes up but there's really no way I see these games connecting significantly soon.
 
 At launch, it might be something like - Your extractors have gone offline due to surface fighting
 
 I mean, seriously, incarna (which was a part of that vision) has now given us 1 room. Expecting massive eve/dust interaction seems unrealistic.
 
 That said, I'd sure like it if some kind of minigame appeared in eve where I could do orbital strikes in battles that would have limited effects in dust.
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        |  Zendoren
 Aktaeon Industries
 The Black Armada
 
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       | Posted - 2011.11.09 17:04:00 -
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 Hallorin wrote:Cailais wrote:Kietay Ayari wrote:There will not be live orbital bombardment where you target anything at launch or ever throughout the game's development. I think a lot of people have a very very wrong idea of what Dust will be. At the VERY most a player in EVE will be required to have a ship somewhere in orbit during a fight in Dust. But even that will be a long way off. It is much more likely you will be paying for an orbital bombardment with ISK when you contract a battle and that will give the players in Dust the ability to use it.
 There is really no way to connect these two games in real time like some people expect. D: Especially if you actually expect to see the Dust battlefield. You may eventually get a little popup on your screen in EVE that says: Player requesting orbital strike. You click accept and on their end they get to use it.
 Interesting. What's the source of that information? C. Seems like common sense to me. All those eve vision of the future videos have gotten people's hopes up but there's really no way I see these games connecting significantly soon. At launch, it might be something like - Your extractors have gone offline due to surface fighting I mean, seriously, incarna (which was a part of that vision) has now given us 1 room. Expecting massive eve/dust interaction seems unrealistic. That said, I'd sure like it if some kind of minigame appeared in eve where I could do orbital strikes in battles that would have limited effects in dust. 
 This devblog suggests otherwise!
 
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        |  Jack bubu
 GK inc.
 Pandemic Legion
 
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       | Posted - 2011.11.09 17:18:00 -
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 Hallorin wrote:Cailais wrote:Kietay Ayari wrote:There will not be live orbital bombardment where you target anything at launch or ever throughout the game's development. I think a lot of people have a very very wrong idea of what Dust will be. At the VERY most a player in EVE will be required to have a ship somewhere in orbit during a fight in Dust. But even that will be a long way off. It is much more likely you will be paying for an orbital bombardment with ISK when you contract a battle and that will give the players in Dust the ability to use it.
 There is really no way to connect these two games in real time like some people expect. D: Especially if you actually expect to see the Dust battlefield. You may eventually get a little popup on your screen in EVE that says: Player requesting orbital strike. You click accept and on their end they get to use it.
 Interesting. What's the source of that information? C. Seems like common sense to me. All those eve vision of the future videos have gotten people's hopes up but there's really no way I see these games connecting significantly soon. At launch, it might be something like - Your extractors have gone offline due to surface fighting I mean, seriously, incarna (which was a part of that vision) has now given us 1 room. Expecting massive eve/dust interaction seems unrealistic. That said, I'd sure like it if some kind of minigame appeared in eve where I could do orbital strikes in battles that would have limited effects in dust. They did show the Planetary bombardment thing right after gamescom to some reporters.
 
 It went something like this -> Ship is in orbit, some dust dude marks a target. -> EVE Pilot activates a module -> bombardment begins.
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        |  Krios Ahzek
 
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       | Posted - 2011.11.09 17:29:00 -
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 Kietay Ayari wrote:There is really no way to connect these two games in real time like some people expect. D: Especially if you actually expect to see the Dust battlefield. You may eventually get a little popup on your screen in EVE that says: Player requesting orbital strike. You click accept and on their end they get to use it.
 
 Except that they have said exactly the contrary.
 
 They already have a system for it if if remember correctly.
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        |  Hallorin
 State War Academy
 Caldari State
 
 7
 
 
       | Posted - 2011.11.09 18:00:00 -
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 Jack bubu wrote:They did show the Planetary bombardment thing right after gamescom to some reporters.
 
 It went something like this -> Ship is in orbit, some dust dude marks a target. -> EVE Pilot activates a module -> bombardment begins.
 
 I want to be optimistic. I really do.
 
 But I also remember getting my hopes up over ambulation videos of full station environments in 2008.
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        |  Hans Jagerblitzen
 Autocannons Anonymous
 
 469
 
 
       | Posted - 2011.11.09 18:03:00 -
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 Kietay Ayari wrote:There will not be live orbital bombardment where you target anything at launch or ever throughout the game's development. I think a lot of people have a very very wrong idea of what Dust will be. At the VERY most a player in EVE will be required to have a ship somewhere in orbit during a fight in Dust. But even that will be a long way off. It is much more likely you will be paying for an orbital bombardment with ISK when you contract a battle and that will give the players in Dust the ability to use it.
 There is really no way to connect these two games in real time like some people expect. D: Especially if you actually expect to see the Dust battlefield. You may eventually get a little popup on your screen in EVE that says: Player requesting orbital strike. You click accept and on their end they get to use it.
 
 Actually, third party press has witnessed this in real time. Eve players can indeed bomb planets with their Dreadnoughts. This is all being tested, in Beta form now.
 
 The two are real time, and are functioning according to plan. This isn't just CCP fluff, but something journalists have seen as well.
 
 http://www.joystiq.com/2011/08/20/dust-514-preview-contractual-murder/
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        |  Kietay Ayari
 
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       | Posted - 2011.11.09 19:41:00 -
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 They may have seen it. But lots of people saw WiS too and that never happened. Ill believe its possible on an MMO scale when its put in :P
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        |  Ciar Meara
 Virtus Vindice
 
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       | Posted - 2011.11.10 08:04:00 -
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 What exactly will be shooting who will have to wait until the trails begin. Since the rollout is going to be in storyline form from small scale "testing" (winter) to large scale warfare (summer-launch).
 
 I was more interested in the obvious link between the "commander" and a capsuleer. Clearly they have much in common up to the worth of their ships (in the trailer a command ship is about as valuable as a battleship). We both fit in pods, we both control everything through our mind/connection to the ship.
 
 The question is, what will be the difference between "commanders" and capsuleers.
 
 
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        |  DarkAegix
 Blue Republic
 RvB - BLUE Republic
 
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       | Posted - 2011.11.10 08:30:00 -
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 I thought this thread was going to be about DUST514 weaponry.
 So, a fat guy guy in knight's armour holding a sword for blasters and a gun which shoots furballs a distance twice the size of the map for railguns.
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        |  Grideris
 Fleet Coordination Command
 Fleet Coordination Coalition
 
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       | Posted - 2011.11.10 08:58:00 -
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 Ciar, I reckon that the main difference is going to be training. You know all those skill that you train now as a pilot? I'm betting that they would have a different group of skills. On top of that, I reckon that there are a whole bunch of already trained skills that everyone has that don't show up in skill training because they're that basic and low level. They too, would have a similar set, and that's what prevents (maybe?) capsuleers from piloting the MCCs. But for the most part, they are similar. I'll get onto CCP Remnant via CCP Shadow (who is on twitter - go annoy him) and see if he can get some answers as to what exactly the difference is between the two.
 
 And ont he orbital bombardment issue, yes, it's going to be live, yes, they nuked a site in Germany from orbit with a Raven in Shanghai in real-time.
 
 I for one welcome our new nuke happy overlords.
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        |  Ciar Meara
 Virtus Vindice
 
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       | Posted - 2011.11.10 09:13:00 -
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 Grideris wrote:Ciar, I reckon that the main difference is going to be training. You know all those skill that you train now as a pilot? I'm betting that they would have a different group of skills. On top of that, I reckon that there are a whole bunch of already trained skills that everyone has that don't show up in skill training because they're that basic and low level. They too, would have a similar set, and that's what prevents (maybe?) capsuleers from piloting the MCCs. But for the most part, they are similar. I'll get onto CCP Remnant via CCP Shadow (who is on twitter - go annoy him) and see if he can get some answers as to what exactly the difference is between the two.
 And ont he orbital bombardment issue, yes, it's going to be live, yes, they nuked a site in Germany from orbit with a Raven in Shanghai in real-time.
 
 I for one welcome our new nuke happy overlords.
 
 Yes these are more of the question that I'd like to answered. DUST514 really needs a forum of its own where there can discussion about things like this.
 
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