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Keith Planck Sky Fighters 679	Posted - 2014.02.01 04:15:00 - [1] - Quote With the recent influx of farmers to wormhole space, change to industry, and the disbanding of T3 based doctrines in nullsec; the price of nano-ribbons and the price of capital escalations have dropped dramatically. Sitting at a pretty 850mil just a month ago, each escalated site is worth ~600mil at the time of writing. # Pilots - Completion Time - Isk/hr 4 pilots - 20min - 450mil/hr 4 - 15 - 600 5 - 15 - 480 6 - 15 - 400 7 - 10 - 514 8 - 10 - 450 10 - 10 - 360
Havoc Zealot Sky Fighters 121	Posted - 2014.02.01 04:25:00 - [2] - Quote Time to start burning holes
Chancey Pants Flying With Animals Animal Farms 17	Posted - 2014.02.01 04:31:00 - [3] - Quote I apoligize if I am a bit out of line here. However after all the smug comments you made a day ago about folks crying about PvP, you come in with what I am assuming is a whine cause you are not making as much isk as you were a months go. You kinda leave me wondering what you punch line is? Honestly I am still kinda new to wormholes but the isk here is much better than anything else I have done. It more than supports the PvP I enjoy.
Dmitry Wizard THE AESIR. Ragnarok. 240	Posted - 2014.02.01 04:50:00 - [4] - Quote and everyone condemned us for wanting to burn farmers from c6 space..... Ragnarok is going to start hoarding nano ribbons "Wormhole corps are like a bunch of homeschooled kids"
Winthorp Sky Fighters 673	Posted - 2014.02.01 07:47:00 - [5] - Quote I care so little Keith. (Insert witty signature here)
Svodola Darkfury Heaven's End League of Infamy 358	Posted - 2014.02.01 08:06:00 - [6] - Quote Winthorp wrote: I care so little Keith. Only a wormholer could complain about 600 million ISK in 5 minutes. I do love us. Svo. CEO of Heaven's End; Bad League of Legends Player.
Sith1s Spectre Sky Fighters 564	Posted - 2014.02.01 08:12:00 - [7] - Quote Keith's one of the few members of our corp who cares about PvE. He's also one of the damn loudest.... Sky Fighters is now recruiting a few more US/AU players https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4033197#post4033197
Jack Miton Semper Ubi Sub Ubi Unmentionables 2979	Posted - 2014.02.01 10:10:00 - [8] - Quote Dude, site escalations were NOT worth 850mil a month ago. Maybe like, 18 months ago. Nano prices have been below 5mil for a long time now. Average value of a site has been around 650-700mil for at the very least 6 months, probably more like a year. sure, occasionally you get the 50 nano site worth 800+ but it's a rare variation, not the norm. Stuck In Here With Me:-á http://sihwm.blogspot.com.au/
Angsty Teenager Broski North Black Legion. 235	Posted - 2014.02.01 11:09:00 - [9] - Quote Lol. This has more to do with T3's being garbage and nobody flying them outside of wormholes. Just be glad there are sleeper tags that give guaranteed isk. Lets see. We used to have the following large uses for T3's: Wormholes Tengu/Loki fleets in 0.0 T3 Links Tengu Mission runners After meta change in 0.0 and nerfs to heavy missiles as well as T3 warfare links, we now have the following large uses: Wormholes. I suspect this is the real issue... Edit: Also I lol'd at this part: Quote: 10 - 10 - 360 Seriously? 10 minutes to do a quad escalation with 10 pilots, you need to work on pve m8
Havoc Zealot Sky Fighters 122	Posted - 2014.02.01 12:40:00 - [10] - Quote ^ I think you got lost and are in the wrong forum.
Adoris Nolen Sama Guild 38	Posted - 2014.02.01 12:55:00 - [11] - Quote Dunno about c5/c6 systems but C4's are heavily farmed now.
Kalel Nimrott Sky Fighters 768	Posted - 2014.02.01 13:16:00 - [12] - Quote Keith is the only person in corp that cares that we have our wallets fat. I have nithing but respect for him. Also he is very good at pvp. So, shut up, faggots. My opinions are not my own. They come from the consensus of my corp. So, suck it.
ExookiZ The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People 180	Posted - 2014.02.01 13:35:00 - [13] - Quote if you take longer than 1 siege cycle to finish an escalation your doing it wrong :P The Wormhole Kid
Keith Planck Sky Fighters 680	Posted - 2014.02.01 15:06:00 - [14] - Quote Chancey Pants wrote: I apoligize if I am a bit out of line here. However after all the smug comments you made a day ago about folks crying about PvP, you come in with what I am assuming is a whine cause you are not making as much isk as you were a months go. You kinda leave me wondering what your punch line is? Honestly I am still kinda new to wormholes but the isk here is much better than anything else I have done. It more than supports the PvP I enjoy. I don't believe I was complaining, or whining. It was more a matter-o-facto post, you should re-read it and tell me at which part I whine or complain about the price dropping.
Borsek A.A.A Ragnarok. 144	Posted - 2014.02.01 15:35:00 - [15] - Quote Most of the ISK in escalations comes from blue loot, otherwise known as sleeper tags. Isk/h is quite fixed in that regard. Escalation battleships drop less nanoribbons than the usual site spawn, so I don't really see a major decrease in ISK/site since more farmers moved to w-space. Even if you managed to manipulate the t3 market enough to bring nano prices back up to 7 or so million, you still wouldn't get much more than 800M/site on average (about 700 now). As for ISK/h and all that crap... if you want constant income rat in nullsec or do incursions, escalations can only be done once per day per hole, and you need a decent fleet to do them properly (a.k.a. not in 20min/site). You get to split the juicy loot in a bunch of shares, and ISK/h changes every day - and could get lower than other forms of producing ISK, as well as being more dangerous (depending on where you live, of course). All in all, escalations eventually get as boring as incursions and/or ratting, complaining about ISK/h is pointless, since it's still probably the most ISK/h you'll make, unless you hold ISK for supercap sales and/or rob people and/or scam people. It will also never go below 590M/site since that is how much the blue loot nets you.
Kalel Nimrott Sky Fighters 768	Posted - 2014.02.01 15:39:00 - [16] - Quote I do remember getting 900+ in sites no long ago. I don 't know where you guys get those low numbers My opinions are not my own. They come from the consensus of my corp. So, suck it.
ExookiZ The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People 180	Posted - 2014.02.01 16:05:00 - [17] - Quote well are you running the entire site? or just killing the escalation and then leaving? The Wormhole Kid
Chancey Pants Flying With Animals Animal Farms 18	Posted - 2014.02.01 17:13:00 - [18] - Quote Just kinda wondering what your point was in starting this discussion really. If it is to just inform me I am only making 600 mil in a site, well thanks, but I am able to do simple math on my own. I will say though we have had a few times where we cleared close to 900. If it was to inform me that I just missed the gravy train by a few months, well I am happy with the results so far. I am able to put in a hour or so a week to afford a few ships to lose that week. Disclaimer - me talking completely out of my ass on the next part. The nano price has been around 4 mil for at least 5 months now. I imagine it started to drop around the time a possible t3 rebalance was announced. Once the rebalance hits the prices will either go up again or fall even more due too demand of t3s. Add that to the changes made in the game to make w space more accessible there has been an increase in supply of nano ribbons. I know nothing about the market so hoarding my nano ribbons until it can be manipulated to bring the price back up is not an option really. So my best idea would be for us to look for a hole with a c4 static and start hunting there.
Kalel Nimrott Sky Fighters 768	Posted - 2014.02.01 22:37:00 - [19] - Quote ExookiZ wrote: well are you running the entire site? or just killing the escalation and then leaving? Sorry, you're right. My opinions are not my own. They come from the consensus of my corp. So, suck it.
Derath Ellecon Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal 2014	Posted - 2014.02.01 23:58:00 - [20] - Quote Chancey Pants wrote: I apoligize if I am a bit out of line here. However after all the smug comments you made a day ago about folks crying about PvP, you come in with what I am assuming is a whine cause you are not making as much isk as you were a months go. You kinda leave me wondering what your punch line is? Honestly I am still kinda new to wormholes but the isk here is much better than anything else I have done. It more than supports the PvP I enjoy. You haven't followed Keith's history I take it.
Svodola Darkfury Heaven's End League of Infamy 359	Posted - 2014.02.04 02:59:00 - [21] - Quote Derath Ellecon wrote: Chancey Pants wrote: I apoligize if I am a bit out of line here. However after all the smug comments you made a day ago about folks crying about PvP, you come in with what I am assuming is a whine cause you are not making as much isk as you were a months go. You kinda leave me wondering what your punch line is? Honestly I am still kinda new to wormholes but the isk here is much better than anything else I have done. It more than supports the PvP I enjoy. You haven't followed Keith's history I take it. Still waiting on some of my insurance money for ISN. :P Svo. CEO of Heaven's End; Bad League of Legends Player.
Senn Denroth Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire 164	Posted - 2014.02.04 03:16:00 - [22] - Quote This is old news. I think you've made the mistake of running the sites to try and get money out nano ribbons. When you should be trying to run escalations faster to get more blue loot faster. Nano ribbons are just the proverbial icing on the cake.

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