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Dragy	Posted - 2006.04.01 12:49:00 - [1] I know that you'll call me noob and that i don't know how to search, but after viewing hundreds posts about both ceptors i'm confuzed. which ceptor is best for solo ?
Krulla	Posted - 2006.04.01 12:54:00 - [2] Claw is definetely better for solo hunting. The Stiletto, however, shines in groups, since it's pretty much the ultimate tackler. Respect the Domi. Or else. SIG HIJACK!!11 RAWRR!!1- IMMY
Dragy	Posted - 2006.04.01 12:56:00 - [3] and what about fact that stiletto can fit mwd, scrambler and dual web at a same time ? scram and be at a good range.
Edhel	Posted - 2006.04.01 13:01:00 - [4] micro aux?
Krulla	Posted - 2006.04.01 13:02:00 - [5] Originally by: Dragy and what about fact that stiletto can fit mwd, scrambler and dual web at a same time ? scram and be at a good range. Have fun killing things with 2 turret slots and a bonusless missile slot. The Claw does wicked sick dps for a ceptor... while the Stiletto has the DPS of my grandmother. Respect the Domi. Or else. SIG HIJACK!!11 RAWRR!!1- IMMY
Forsch	Posted - 2006.04.01 13:10:00 - [6] Originally by: Krulla while the Stiletto has the DPS of my grandmother. Too much information! ________________________________________________________________ Forsch Defender of the empire
Dragy	Posted - 2006.04.01 13:19:00 - [7] hehe, ok, so claw. i guess that its better to fit autocannons, and what about lows ? 200 plate (which one exactly), 1 rep and some dmg mod ?
dabster	Posted - 2006.04.01 13:20:00 - [8] For all your Claw fetischm ___________________________ Brutors Rule! My Eve-vids; Click.
Dragy	Posted - 2006.04.01 13:20:00 - [9] and which ammo :)) t2 i mean of course ;))
Dragy	Posted - 2006.04.01 13:22:00 - [10] i know about that topick ;) btw, you still didnt reply there ;P
dabster	Posted - 2006.04.01 13:44:00 - [11] Thats because for ac-setups on Claw there are extremly few ones used, and all have been posted several times there for pvp your basic is 3*150mm, rocket launcher mwd, 7.5km scrambler armor repair, kinetic hardener, 200mm/400mm plate/micro aux/cap-relay/gyro I know what i mostly use but the lows vary slightly from people. ___________________________ Brutors Rule! My Eve-vids; Click.
Shaemell Buttleson	Posted - 2006.04.01 15:16:00 - [12] Originally by: Krulla Claw is definetely better for solo hunting. The Stiletto, however, shines in groups, since it's pretty much the ultimate tackler. Don't want to be argumentative but I disagree with you there mate. I find the exact opposit but each to their own. My reasons being that for solo work I need 3 midslots allthough I do know other ppl don't seem to worry.
Dragy	Posted - 2006.04.01 15:23:00 - [13] so for you it doesnt matter the dps but the number of med slots, in which you can fit webs, scramblers etc ?
Testy Mctest	Posted - 2006.04.01 16:09:00 - [14] Originally by: Shaemell Buttleson Originally by: Krulla Claw is definetely better for solo hunting. The Stiletto, however, shines in groups, since it's pretty much the ultimate tackler. Don't want to be argumentative but I disagree with you there mate. I find the exact opposit but each to their own. My reasons being that for solo work I need 3 midslots allthough I do know other ppl don't seem to worry. Personally I find the Claw is a more solid solo ship - Stiletto just doesnt have the DPS. Although you can solo in a Stiletto with a good setup (and there are some) and good skills, its not as reliable as a Claw. Testy's Eve Blog!
Hakera	Posted - 2006.04.01 16:14:00 - [15] Edited by: Hakera on 01/04/2006 16:14:29 the claw has the dps and the tank, the stiletto however can be a clever ship focusing on ewar with a reasonable dps to surprise many. You would be amazed how many crow/taranis pilots get caught when they find themselves jammed/webbed & scrambled and nos'd after they thought they bagged themselves an easy no-brainer kill (though you need good meta modules and cap skills). The claw is easier to fly however but a one trick pony with the rare occurance of the 280mm setup.
Dexter Rast	Posted - 2006.04.01 16:15:00 - [16] claw is a nice ship alright, its great at PvP and also great at PvE, the stiletto is a straight forward PvP ship, all those med slots make for the control freak`s sweetest dream its a better solo ship than most people give it credit, and at the same time is a great ship in groups. the claw and stiletto are the greatest compliment to each other, and race`by`race are the best inty duo by far --------------------------------------------- Please resize your forum signature graphic to be smaller than 24,000 bytes in filesize - Jacques
Testy Mctest	Posted - 2006.04.01 16:50:00 - [17] Originally by: Dexter Rast claw is a nice ship alright, its great at PvP and also great at PvE, the stiletto is a straight forward PvP ship, all those med slots make for the control freak`s sweetest dream its a better solo ship than most people give it credit, and at the same time is a great ship in groups. the claw and stiletto are the greatest compliment to each other, and race`by`race are the best inty duo by far Race by race they're the only inty duo, since all other races only have one good inty :P And I disagree that the Stiletto is a good solo inty. It simply doesn't have the cap to be reliable when running jammers or tracking disruptors. Testy's Eve Blog!
Shaemell Buttleson	Posted - 2006.04.01 16:53:00 - [18] Originally by: Dragy so for you it doesnt matter the dps but the number of med slots, in which you can fit webs, scramblers etc ? The Stileto doesn't have the DPS admitedly that the Claw does but it isn't too bad and is still better than a Rifter which ppl are prepared to use in solo pvp. The problem with the Claw is you do need a MWD which leaves with 1 slot either for a webber or a scrambler. For pvp since autocannons have a better DPS than howies and have lower fitting requirments as well they are most commonly used for this you need to have a webber I find to hold the faster ships within your guns range. Problem is then you cant scramble them to stop them warping off and in fact once a target is webbed it can align to warp a dam sight faster than it can unwebbed as well. Ask freighter pilots this as they often have ppl webbing them just for this. The Stileto can do both this and still has another midslot spare on top as well which can be used for anything else you fancy. So for me midslots are important and this is why in most cases (not all) the Crow and Taranis will usually win in a 1v1 pvp engagement when the pilots have more or less the same skill points in their respective fields. On a side note I am thinking of using a Stileto for tackling in gangs now as well because the biggest problem I face now is with BS fitted with nosferatus. I was thinking of getting a faction disruptor just for this so I could stay out of their range, but with the Claws absolutely sh1te locking range of 21 max (without mods) whats the point? Since the purpose of the tackler in the gang is to hold a target DPS isnt important anyway so the Stileto is looking better and better all the time.
Testy Mctest	Posted - 2006.04.01 16:59:00 - [19] Originally by: Shaemell Buttleson On a side note I am thinking of using a Stileto for tackling in gangs now as well because the biggest problem I face now is with BS fitted with nosferatus. Small Nos + Scrams + Knowing how to cycle your modules properly = scrambled BS. 2 small nos cycling every 3 sec give you 16~ energy (module dependant), which is enough to run 3 scrams (15 energy, module dependant). Heavy nos cycles every 12 sec, medium nos every 6. If you get your nossing right, combined with your natural cap recharge, you can easily maintain a scramble and sometimes even an MWD at the same time. Testy's Eve Blog!
Shaemell Buttleson	Posted - 2006.04.01 18:50:00 - [20] Originally by: Testy Mctest Originally by: Shaemell Buttleson On a side note I am thinking of using a Stileto for tackling in gangs now as well because the biggest problem I face now is with BS fitted with nosferatus. Small Nos + Scrams + Knowing how to cycle your modules properly = scrambled BS. 2 small nos cycling every 3 sec give you 16~ energy (module dependant), which is enough to run 3 scrams (15 energy, module dependant). Heavy nos cycles every 12 sec, medium nos every 6. If you get your nossing right, combined with your natural cap recharge, you can easily maintain a scramble and sometimes even an MWD at the same time. I'm not saying it wont work but I prefer to stay out of web range and nos range of all but the BS size noses. Use a small nos and you are begging to be webbed! The current setup I use has survived 2 salvos from a Raven with precision cruise while he nossed me. It was long enough for me to hold it while the gang members turned up and took over allowing me to repair and return in time for me to help finish it off and pod him. I dont use plates or autos anymore ever in any circumstance for tackling in a gang and since I have started doing that no one has killed my ship in this situation. (i have lost them to other pvp encounters though) Orbiting at 15km at 3.8km/s plus sometimes well over 4km/s with gang bonus's meaqns that even T2 light scout drones do very little damage and I find I can even pop them with my howies as they orbit once and then fall back to 15km and chase me right into my arties at allmost zero transversal. I also fit 2 cap relays for a good recharge and with maxed skills in all departments for cap/mwd use etc not having juice to keep mwd'ing and scrambling is rarely an issue unless I forget to manualy use the repairer and keep it switched on. Also other members of ER have been asked to adopt this method and they have stopped dying alot as well. Taranis with rails, Crows with light missiles all with 20km disruptors etc. Look at ER's killboards and you will see how effective our tacklers are a stopping BS's from warping out.
Spartan239	Posted - 2006.04.01 19:33:00 - [21] Originally by: Testy Mctest Originally by: Dexter Rast claw is a nice ship alright, its great at PvP and also great at PvE, the stiletto is a straight forward PvP ship, all those med slots make for the control freak`s sweetest dream its a better solo ship than most people give it credit, and at the same time is a great ship in groups. the claw and stiletto are the greatest compliment to each other, and race`by`race are the best inty duo by far Race by race they're the only inty duo, since all other races only have one good inty :P And I disagree that the Stiletto is a good solo inty. It simply doesn't have the cap to be reliable when running jammers or tracking disruptors. you can do some funny things with a ares, its just damed hard
Testy Mctest	Posted - 2006.04.01 19:36:00 - [22] Originally by: Spartan239 Originally by: Testy Mctest Originally by: Dexter Rast claw is a nice ship alright, its great at PvP and also great at PvE, the stiletto is a straight forward PvP ship, all those med slots make for the control freak`s sweetest dream its a better solo ship than most people give it credit, and at the same time is a great ship in groups. the claw and stiletto are the greatest compliment to each other, and race`by`race are the best inty duo by far Race by race they're the only inty duo, since all other races only have one good inty :P And I disagree that the Stiletto is a good solo inty. It simply doesn't have the cap to be reliable when running jammers or tracking disruptors. you can do some funny things with a ares, its just damed hard Yep. Much like with any ship - it's just harder with lesser ships. And less able to deal with situations that aren't optimal for you. Testy's Eve Blog!
Le'et	Posted - 2006.04.01 19:53:00 - [23] If you want damage go for the claw, if your want to tackle use the stileto. Both can have a great defence when using acs, claw with a 400 plate and a rep will pwn most close range solo inties, but the stil with a medium extender with tackle gear will make any gang happy as you can tackle with no worry of insta popping. Personally I', enjoying the stilleto as its the only inty that can have over 2.4k hp while going nearily 5k. But the damage is crap, but I use a hac if I need damage.
dabster	Posted - 2006.04.01 19:59:00 - [24] Edited by: dabster on 01/04/2006 20:01:16 Originally by: Shaemell Buttleson Originally by: Testy Mctest Originally by: Shaemell Buttleson On a side note I am thinking of using a Stileto for tackling in gangs now as well because the biggest problem I face now is with BS fitted with nosferatus. snip snip You live because you use a 20km setup. A Claw would also live if it used that. Oh and btw, all your points are completly irrelevant, this topic was about flying solo. You just typed 15 lines about how you fly in gang. ___________________________ Brutors Rule! My Eve-vids; Click.
Slink Grinsdikild	Posted - 2006.04.01 20:24:00 - [25] I like the Claw but it hurts to have 1 less medslot than the Ranis or Crow. You can't dictate range with it, which sucks in a 1v1. Without an MWD you can't chase or run from 20km Scrambler Crows who sit at 12km killing you with their "F1, F2, F3" no-brainer rockets. Without a web you can't pin anything down. Without a scrambler people will just kite you and run at their leisure. I'm not saying the Claw should get a third medslot but.. Mweh.
Krulla	Posted - 2006.04.01 20:59:00 - [26] Originally by: Testy Mctest Originally by: Dexter Rast claw is a nice ship alright, its great at PvP and also great at PvE, the stiletto is a straight forward PvP ship, all those med slots make for the control freak`s sweetest dream its a better solo ship than most people give it credit, and at the same time is a great ship in groups. the claw and stiletto are the greatest compliment to each other, and race`by`race are the best inty duo by far Race by race they're the only inty duo, since all other races only have one good inty :P And I disagree that the Stiletto is a good solo inty. It simply doesn't have the cap to be reliable when running jammers or tracking disruptors. Personally, I love how the Stiletto and Claw augment each other; one has the raw, brutal DPS, the other has all the slippery shenanigans. Together, they make a awesome duo. Respect the Domi. Or else. SIG HIJACK!!11 RAWRR!!1- IMMY
Shaemell Buttleson	Posted - 2006.04.01 21:19:00 - [27] Dabster stop being a troll I know the topic was about a solo setup. read the whole post. The subject digressed due to other people raising different issues. This often happens in threads.
dabster	Posted - 2006.04.01 21:23:00 - [28] tsk you hijacked it with setups that works well in gang its all fact im not trolling ___________________________ Brutors Rule! My Eve-vids; Click.
Shaemell Buttleson	Posted - 2006.04.01 21:33:00 - [29] Read my first post trollboy! Then read the answers that led to it befor you say I hijacked it. Btw whats your input on it? Or are you just there to pick arguments?

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