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Mourn LeBlade
Jupiter Roughriders
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Posted - 2014.02.01 15:46:00 -
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I can't help but notice that every time I fly into NullSec through a wormhole, it's usually filled with some Nullbears semi-AFK grinding out the rich and limitless resources. As soon as I appear in Local, they scatter and, either hide, or gather together a large blob.
It seems to me that with Local available, the Nullbears in the "outer regions" have virtually no risk or threat to their wealthy and lazy lifestyle.
Is this the dirty little secret of Eve? That the "End-Game" is really just the providence of the entitled? How the NullSec denizens have the gall to look down on HighSec dwellers I will never understand.
Should CCP nerf Nullsec? Should Local be eliminated to make NullSec more realistic? After all, if the NullSecers are the masters of the universe, why do they need the protective underpants of Local?
LTCOL LeBlade
177 Division
Live Free or Die |
Billy McCandless
The McCandless Clan
Turing Tested
178
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Posted - 2014.02.01 15:50:00 -
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y u do dis |
Serene Repose
Saanen Freight Service
922
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Posted - 2014.02.01 15:53:00 -
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We are to assume, therefore, you're gank despicable null sec miners because they're probably more lucrative gank targets being in null sec and all, but that pesky local keeps alerting them to your presence, which causes them to take the appropriate defensive actions, and everything would be just fine for YOU if local were not present in null sec...alerting folks to your presence...so they can avoid you ganking them and living off their enterprise....which is despicable...but good enough to spend?
Did I get that right?
I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility toward every form of tyranny over the mind of man.-á |
Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch
OLD MAN GANG
679
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Posted - 2014.02.01 15:53:00 -
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it is working as intended, as you said players form their own police force when someone try to harm them.
You do just same thing in your wormhole.
So what is the part you want to nerf |
Mourn LeBlade
Jupiter Roughriders
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Posted - 2014.02.01 15:54:00 -
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Serene Repose wrote:We are to assume, therefore, you're out ganking despicable null sec miners because they're probably more lucrative gank targets being in null sec and all, but that pesky local keeps alerting them to your presence, which causes them to take the appropriate defensive actions, and everything would be just fine for YOU if local were not present in null sec...alerting folks to your presence...so they can avoid you ganking them and living off their enterprise....which is despicable...but good enough to spend?
Did I get that right?
Thank you for illustrating my point.
LTCOL LeBlade
177 Division
Live Free or Die |
Serene Repose
Saanen Freight Service
923
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Posted - 2014.02.01 15:56:00 -
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Just because you're lactate intolerant doesn't mean we have to ban the cows.
I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility toward every form of tyranny over the mind of man.-á |
Sipphakta en Gravonere
4S Corporation
Goonswarm Federation
487
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Posted - 2014.02.01 16:01:00 -
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If local in 0.0 is removed, do we also get other WH features? Like:
- free cynojammer, blocking even covert cynos, regardless of sov level or pos ownership
- the ability to close stargates at will, like collapsing wormholes
- A mass limit on stargates
I say tomato, you say tomaCCP BAN ALL TOMATOES THEY ARE HARASSING ME I WANT TOMATO FREE HIGHSEC. -- TheGunslinger42
"**** goons, they only kill stuff that can't shoot back, they aren't killing us fast enough, they missed my ****** Ibis so they failed, CCP ban goons they shot my ship." -- Distracted |
Mourn LeBlade
Jupiter Roughriders
42
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Posted - 2014.02.01 16:04:00 -
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Serene Repose wrote:Just because you're lactate intolerant doesn't mean we have to ban the cows.
You win the Internet today.
LTCOL LeBlade
177 Division
Live Free or Die |
Silvetica Dian
Manson Family
Advent of Fate
679
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Posted - 2014.02.01 17:44:00 -
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Mourn LeBlade wrote:Nullbears semi-AFK . As soon as I appear in Local, they scatter and, either hide, or gather together a large blob.
I for one am impressed at these AFK people reacting instantly to your presence.
Null sec PVE is exactly as hard as PVE in any other sec. (ie idiotically easy)
PVE anywhere isn't endgame.
Why is leaving PVE ships and fetching PVP ships anything but a sensible reaction to a hostile player arriving?
People that don't proactively defend their space get lots of people roaming their space. For evidence of this see almot all renters, and several CFC pets (li3 and SMA would be the standouts for allowing anyone to wander freely around their space).
Money at its root is a form of rationing.
When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85 |
Eram Fidard
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
762
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Posted - 2014.02.01 17:45:00 -
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This again, really?
It didn't sit well the first time, so you have to vomit it back up and present for all to see, before going for a second attempt at digestion?
Poster is not to be held responsible for damages to keyboards and/or noses caused by hot beverages. |
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Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
CODE.
3420
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Posted - 2014.02.01 17:48:00 -
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I look forward to the day when I can read a TMC article announcing the end of local chat in nullsec.
See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did. |
Proletariat Tingtango
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
879
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Posted - 2014.02.01 17:49:00 -
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Goons cometh to hisec and usher in a new world of pain brain in sane bane tane hame |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
15803
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Posted - 2014.02.01 18:22:00 -
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Nullsec gets nerfed, highsec burns. |
Bane Nucleus
Sky Fighters
856
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Posted - 2014.02.01 18:29:00 -
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I like that nullsec is nullsec and wormhole space is wormhole space. Sure, each could use a few tweaks/changes, but that doesn't mean make one like the other.
No trolling please |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy
The ROC
2262
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Posted - 2014.02.01 18:30:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Nullsec gets nerfed, highsec burns.
Basically this.
You'd have all the resources, players and skills of the nullsec alliances, in highsec, and angry at highsec.
Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
Robert Warner
We Make Weapons
Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
65
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Posted - 2014.02.01 18:31:00 -
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If local were removed from null sec, all the null bears would move to wormholes.
Without local, null sec is more dangerous space than wormhole, considering the force projection mechanics. It is also far less lucrative space. |
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
2188
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Posted - 2014.02.01 18:38:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Nullsec gets nerfed, highsec burns.
Funny, people called me tinfoil when I suggested that is exactly what mittens told CCP would happen if they mess with his operations.
Now you guys are openly stating it.
Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning.
The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy
The ROC
2263
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Posted - 2014.02.01 18:39:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Nullsec gets nerfed, highsec burns. Funny, people called me tinfoil when I suggested that is exactly what mittens told CCP would happen if they mess with his operations. Now you guys are openly stating it.
Except I'm not putting on the tinfoil hat.
I'm telling you that's what I think the citizens of nullsec would demand, if people like you ever got your way.
Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
13614
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Posted - 2014.02.01 18:40:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Nullsec gets nerfed, highsec burns. Funny, people called me tinfoil when I suggested that is exactly what mittens told CCP would happen if they mess with his operations. Now you guys are openly stating it.
No, they called you tinfoil for suggesting that CCP take orders from mittens.
Pretty much everything thinks that nothing is more likely than that the 0.0 alliances will burn hi-sec if 0.0 gets nerfed yet again.
1 Kings 12:11
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
15803
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Posted - 2014.02.01 18:54:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Nullsec gets nerfed, highsec burns. Funny, people called me tinfoil when I suggested that is exactly what mittens told CCP would happen if they mess with his operations. Now you guys are openly stating it.
No we call you tinfoil because you think CCP has been infiltrated and taken over by the illuminati. |
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy
The ROC
2265
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Posted - 2014.02.01 18:57:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Nullsec gets nerfed, highsec burns. Funny, people called me tinfoil when I suggested that is exactly what mittens told CCP would happen if they mess with his operations. Now you guys are openly stating it. No we call you tinfoil because you think CCP has been infiltrated and taken over by the illuminati.
I thought the Goons were supposed to be the CIA?
See, now I'm all confused, I can't get my conspiracy theories straight. Abraham Lincoln was an alien! Steve Jobs killed Kennedy and MLK!
Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
Billy McCandless
The McCandless Clan
Turing Tested
182
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Posted - 2014.02.01 18:58:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote: MLK!
mi lyttel klooney? |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific
Initiative Mercenaries
4555
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Posted - 2014.02.01 19:00:00 -
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Mourn LeBlade wrote:
It seems to me that with Local available, the Nullbears in the "outer regions" have virtually no risk or threat to their wealthy and lazy lifestyle.
This is not true. Player "Infinity Ziona" tested it, and took a comedy fit "Shield Proteus" out to null sec and killed serveral ratting ships. That same comedy fit Pro wouldn't have been able to kill even one Battlecruiser sized ship in high sec before CONCORD blapped it, yet he killed serveal in Tribe space.
That's empirical evidence of the lie to "deep null safety". Hell, YOU just proved it with "everytime I come out of a wormhole into null" lol, intel channels (the best protection a null pilot has) means nothing to wormholes.
Null has to have local because (unlike wormholes) it has gates and people can use cynos. let me put gates and enabled cynos in your wormhole with no local and see how well you fair. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
13616
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Posted - 2014.02.01 19:22:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Mourn LeBlade wrote:
It seems to me that with Local available, the Nullbears in the "outer regions" have virtually no risk or threat to their wealthy and lazy lifestyle.
This is not true. Player "Infinity Ziona" tested it, and took a comedy fit "Shield Proteus" out to null sec and killed serveral ratting ships. That same comedy fit Pro wouldn't have been able to kill even one Battlecruiser sized ship in high sec before CONCORD blapped it, yet he killed serveal in Tribe space. That's empirical evidence of the lie to "deep null safety". Hell, YOU just proved it with "everytime I come out of a wormhole into null" lol, intel channels (the best protection a null pilot has) means nothing to wormholes. Null has to have local because (unlike wormholes) it has gates and people can use cynos. let me put gates and enabled cynos in your wormhole with no local and see how well you fair.
Haha nothing gets the Wormies riled up like suggesting that cynos should work in W-space.
1 Kings 12:11
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Anslo
The Scope
Gallente Federation
4288
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Posted - 2014.02.01 19:24:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Mourn LeBlade wrote:
It seems to me that with Local available, the Nullbears in the "outer regions" have virtually no risk or threat to their wealthy and lazy lifestyle.
This is not true. Player "Infinity Ziona" tested it, and took a comedy fit "Shield Proteus" out to null sec and killed serveral ratting ships. That same comedy fit Pro wouldn't have been able to kill even one Battlecruiser sized ship in high sec before CONCORD blapped it, yet he killed serveal in Tribe space. That's empirical evidence of the lie to "deep null safety". Hell, YOU just proved it with "everytime I come out of a wormhole into null" lol, intel channels (the best protection a null pilot has) means nothing to wormholes. Null has to have local because (unlike wormholes) it has gates and people can use cynos. let me put gates and enabled cynos in your wormhole with no local and see how well you fair. Haha nothing gets the Wormies riled up like suggesting that cynos should work in W-space.
Wasn't that a long term plan? To allow it to happen but make it extremely difficult to execute?...
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy
The ROC
2266
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Posted - 2014.02.01 19:29:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:
Haha nothing gets the Wormies riled up like suggesting that cynos should work in W-space.
Idk, they seemed pretty PO'ed about how the ESS turned wormholes into basically having local.
Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific
Initiative Mercenaries
4556
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Posted - 2014.02.01 19:32:00 -
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Anslo wrote:
Wasn't that a long term plan? To allow it to happen but make it extremely difficult to execute?...
I thought so too, but it's like most things thoat don't make it into the game, like the "strategic weapons" that "strategic cruisers" were supposed to have to make them...well...strategic lol. I'm not sure WH cynos would be a good idea btw. |
Anslo
The Scope
Gallente Federation
4288
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Posted - 2014.02.01 19:44:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Anslo wrote:
Wasn't that a long term plan? To allow it to happen but make it extremely difficult to execute?...
I thought so too, but it's like most things thoat don't make it into the game, like the "strategic weapons" that "strategic cruisers" were supposed to have to make them...well...strategic lol. I'm not sure WH cynos would be a good idea btw.
IMO they're strategic enough being able to be as versatile as they are. What would their strategic weapon even be?...
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Mario Putzo
Welping and Dunking.
191
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Posted - 2014.02.01 19:47:00 -
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Nullsec is empty I don't know what you are talking about. Got 3 dudes attempting setting up blops in Vale right now, 13 systems not a single living soul other than myself. Pretty pathetic if you ask me. Space should be owned by Guristas since they are the only ones active in it. |
Caviar Liberta
Moira.
Villore Accords
420
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Posted - 2014.02.01 19:49:00 -
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Hasn't this been gone over before? |
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