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Ai Zhao	Posted - 2006.04.04 04:57:00 - [1] Lets look at the following items from the Item Database: Explosion Dampening Field I: explosive dmg resistance bonus -50 % Explosion Dampening Array: explosive dmg resistance bonus 0,75 % Damage Control I: shield explosive damage resistance 7,5 % Moa: 5% bonus to shield resistance per level (of the Caldari Cruisers skill) Moa: shield explosive damage resistance 60 % How about a little consistency? Even items which do the exact same thing to the exact same stat have their bonus listed differently. I don't mind the way they are calculated when put together, but if something's adding 25% resistance why is it listed as 0,75%, or -25%? I've been trying to work out how effective Dampening Arrays might be on a POS, and it sure is hard when I can't even figure out how much resistance it adds, or if it has diminishing returns. Throw us a bone here.
Gonada	Posted - 2006.04.04 05:04:00 - [2] comprehension is your friend. -I don't necessarily agree with everything I say.-
F'nog	Posted - 2006.04.04 05:46:00 - [3] Originally by: Gonada comprehension is your friend. No, he has a somewhat valid point. Certain things are correct as he listed them, others "aren't". It would be nice if the database and item info were always consistent. After you've played for a while you get to knowing what each one means, but I can't imagine what it must be like for new players to wade through all this. Look at ammo. Carbonized Lead in the IDB says -50% range, when we all know it's +50%, and EMP is +50% when it's -50%. I don't know how they could have mixed this up, but it leads to all sorts of confusion for new players that's simply not needed. And don't forget about mining crystals: +160% != 1.6x Originally by: Bl4zer But, cmon, this is the Eve forums, we don't let facts get in the way of pointless speculation.
Ai Zhao	Posted - 2006.04.04 06:18:00 - [4] Originally by: F'nog Certain things are correct as he listed them, others "aren't". Such as? I've been playing for about a month now (including the trial) and I'm still confused over various aspects of the game mostly due to a lack of good information. For example, I've found through researching Eve fan sites that the stats on an Explosion Dampening Array are a 'Damage Resonance Multiplier' and that it's a fancy way of saying that you need to multiply the amount of damage you normally take by the number provided, and then subtract that amount from the total damage. Why the Eve developers didn't just say "You take 25% less damage" I don't know, but what really does my head in is why they mislabled the stat in the Items Database and then threw in a % symbol just to really mess with people. ...unless I'm wrong and this piece of equipment really does add 0,75% resistance, but I doubt it.
Ante	Posted - 2006.04.04 07:58:00 - [5] Originally by: F'nog And don't forget about mining crystals: +160% != 1.6x Would you assume it was?
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.04.04 08:16:00 - [6] Originally by: Ante Originally by: F'nog And don't forget about mining crystals: +160% != 1.6x Would you assume it was? some people would - a lot of them do it with MWDs... sigs of the 23/24/25 hijack just as well -eris yarrrr, i shall retake my sig -HippoKing Not a chance, our 1337 sig haXx0r sk1llz are too powerful! - Wrangler Ho-Ho-Hooooooo, Merry Saturday!11 - Immy Yo ho ho and a bottle of BReeEEEEeee.... - Jacques ARRRRRRchambault Stop spamming with "QFT" >:\|. - Teblin
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2006.04.04 08:39:00 - [7] All in-game stats are correct... the item database just has some parsing issues tbh. [23] Member: Official Forum Warrior What's with the blue robots? Click my sig.
F'nog	Posted - 2006.04.04 08:44:00 - [8] Originally by: Dark Shikari All in-game stats are correct... the item database just has some parsing issues tbh. Not really, the 160% boost to mining crystals is in-game, and it's wrong. And to the previous poster. Everyone assumed it was correct when they were introduced. They were all wrong. So, yes, if its listed as such, we assume it is correct, until otherwise proven wrong. Originally by: Bl4zer But, cmon, this is the Eve forums, we don't let facts get in the way of pointless speculation.
SargeMonkey	Posted - 2006.04.04 11:08:00 - [9] Edited by: SargeMonkey on 04/04/2006 11:09:20 Hmm, I am not going to read your post, just post how this game works. You have 50% to X, you add 50% more, or subtract whatever, right now 1/2 of the damage is blocked, so you block 50% of the remaining 1/2. So you get a 25% boost, so 50%+25% = 75%... Understand? If you add another 50% with out stacking you will get 1/2 of 25% or 50% of 25% the remaining amount of damage, so 12.5% or 75%+12.5% = 87.5% You will never hit 100% - - - - I can't spell, don't tell me I already know. Spellcheck:
Miss Overlord	Posted - 2006.04.04 11:10:00 - [10] comprehension u need - more accurate CCP need be - be very complex game it is
Rabbitgod	Posted - 2006.04.04 12:28:00 - [11] The problem most likly came from different devs writting styles. One say + %25 another says x 1.25 I say potato you say spud kinda deal. Here Kills last month: 310 Damage done est: $5 350 000 000 (w/o mods)
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2006.04.04 12:29:00 - [12] Originally by: F'nog Originally by: Dark Shikari All in-game stats are correct... the item database just has some parsing issues tbh. Not really, the 160% boost to mining crystals is in-game, and it's wrong. And to the previous poster. Everyone assumed it was correct when they were introduced. They were all wrong. So, yes, if its listed as such, we assume it is correct, until otherwise proven wrong. Its right if you remove the % sign [23] Member: Official Forum Warrior What's with the blue robots? Click my sig.
Thetys	Posted - 2006.04.04 12:46:00 - [13] get a brain boost amplifier :)
Ai Zhao	Posted - 2006.04.05 01:48:00 - [14] Originally by: Thetys get a brain boost amplifier :) What bonus will it give me? +25% 1,25 0,75 125% -75%? Oh wait they're all the same. :p
Raem Civrie	Posted - 2006.04.05 03:09:00 - [15] Originally by: Miss Overlord comprehension u need - more accurate CCP need be - be very complex game it is This damn yoda thing has to stop. Even Jenny Spitfire got over it in a couple of days --- Chairman of the Ice Mining Guild
Nikolai Nuvolari	Posted - 2006.04.05 04:41:00 - [16] I'm STILL mildly confused about some of the T2 Ammo "bonuses"... Then again, I never really tried for more than 20 seconds at a time, so does that say more about them being incomprehensible, or about me being completely apathetic? -------- Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk [04:21:15] Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw [07:38:53] Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108!
F'nog	Posted - 2006.04.05 08:18:00 - [17] Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari I'm STILL mildly confused about some of the T2 Ammo "bonuses"... Then again, I never really tried for more than 20 seconds at a time, so does that say more about them being incomprehensible, or about me being completely apathetic? Maybe you just have ADHD? Originally by: Bl4zer But, cmon, this is the Eve forums, we don't let facts get in the way of pointless speculation.

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