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Ominus Decre	Posted - 2006.04.04 19:13:00 - [31] Originally by: Gindar Originally by: Hatiras I'm sure someone else knows the exact origins but I believe I read that the Nerf phrase came back from UO days (okay it was EQ according to the Wiki) when Devs were balancing. Some people didn't like their abilities being made less useful than they were, so they said they were nerfed, yes like the toys. The phrase stuck and here we are today. almost but not quite. it goes back to uo yes, when they were balancing. at one point swords got nerfed very badly, and everyone was saying "its like we're fighting with nerf bats" it stuck. If I recall, players in "Ultima Online" were experiancing an issue where a certain developer had invisioned a design where the insanely powerfull weapons would be "balanced" although the effect was so diminished players were no longer able to kill each other, or the helpless, with little effort. Being that the "player killers" had invested so much time into an existing mechanic the change created the notion they were now "fighting with nerf toys" 'cs of the greatly reduced damage. The term "nerf" has now been adopted by all teh 1337 lewt nublets crying about ne thing that changes game play regardless of the outcome. Player even use the term to describe something that _was_ broken and becomes fixed. Bottom line, if a change in gaming mechanics alters a functionability some players will claim it's been "nerfed" regardless of the benefit or effect.
JamesTalon	Posted - 2006.04.04 19:36:00 - [32] Originally by: Ominus Decre Originally by: Gindar Originally by: Hatiras I'm sure someone else knows the exact origins but I believe I read that the Nerf phrase came back from UO days (okay it was EQ according to the Wiki) when Devs were balancing. Some people didn't like their abilities being made less useful than they were, so they said they were nerfed, yes like the toys. The phrase stuck and here we are today. almost but not quite. it goes back to uo yes, when they were balancing. at one point swords got nerfed very badly, and everyone was saying "its like we're fighting with nerf bats" it stuck. If I recall, players in "Ultima Online" were experiancing an issue where a certain developer had invisioned a design where the insanely powerfull weapons would be "balanced" although the effect was so diminished players were no longer able to kill each other, or the helpless, with little effort. Being that the "player killers" had invested so much time into an existing mechanic the change created the notion they were now "fighting with nerf toys" 'cs of the greatly reduced damage. The term "nerf" has now been adopted by all teh 1337 lewt nublets crying about ne thing that changes game play regardless of the outcome. Player even use the term to describe something that _was_ broken and becomes fixed. Bottom line, if a change in gaming mechanics alters a functionability some players will claim it's been "nerfed" regardless of the benefit or effect. Like the "Great Missile Nerf" eh? Fixed some serious problems with missiles.... Heavy's doing normal damage to frigates...meep
Hllaxiu	Posted - 2006.04.04 19:55:00 - [33] Does Nerf actually still make baseball bats? --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson
D'onryu Shoqui	Posted - 2006.04.04 19:59:00 - [34] lol i remember when a guy who used to play with the character "tristan" made the "nerf bat sig" and there were like 200+ people with it as there sig on the forum ,he got gagged ingame for 2 weeks because he was arguing with the old community manager "pann" about not wanting to remove it from his webspace
Hatiras	Posted - 2006.04.04 20:17:00 - [35] Originally by: Ominus Decre Bottom line, if a change in gaming mechanics alters a functionability some players will claim it's been "nerfed" regardless of the benefit or effect. A what? Really? I don't think I've ever heard of people calling a 'buff' to something a nerf, unless they twist it around saying they're actually nerfing another faction if its a PvP style game.
Destises	Posted - 2006.04.04 20:21:00 - [36] I perfer the term "gimped". Its less politically correct, but better than "nerfed" by far. "They gimped my Raven"
Agillious	Posted - 2006.04.04 20:33:00 - [37] Does this make me the forum grandpa for remembering playing with Nerf (American style) footballs, Nerf golf balls, Nerf baseball bats (which my brother and I did attack each other with), Nerf Boomerangs (with three "wings"), I think there was a Nerf soccerball (real football)... Yeah, Nerf was the stuff to have in the nineties. There was also Nerf ping-pong, and Nerf launchers (tubes that you'd pull one end back to "load" it, and then slam it forward and let the compressed air launch the small Nerf ball in the barrell) Then they started in with the guns. I went from the launchers to the Nerf bow, and then guns... I think. Not that I played with the things or anything. At all.
portriat	Posted - 2006.04.04 20:43:00 - [38] Originally by: HippoKing wasn't it obvious?
Jinx Barker	Posted - 2006.04.04 20:58:00 - [39] I say we go with Jenny on it..... "They Narfed my Raven!" - More Missiles Skills please, oh and can someone tell me how to build a Dominix all out of pumpkins?
Tar Ecthelion	Posted - 2006.04.04 21:28:00 - [40] Earliest I remember the word "nerf" was from Empire Strikes Back when Lea calls Han a "stuck up, scruffy looking, Nerf Herder." .....
Slaaght Bana	Posted - 2006.04.04 23:14:00 - [41] "Nerf" seems common across the MMOGs I've played. The other MMOG common term, "Zerg" (), for overpowering numbers doesn't seem to be used in Eve, instead "Blob" seems the Eve standard for overwhelming odds. () I only found out the other day that this was taken from a race from StarCraft that act in unison in mass numbers to overcome a foe. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zerg "Gank" .. at a guess "Gang Kill"? We don't all shout "Ding" in corp chat everytime we complete a skill train too. Which is nice.
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.04.04 23:17:00 - [42] Originally by: Slaaght Bana "Nerf" seems common across the MMOGs I've played. The other MMOG common term, "Zerg" (*), for overpowering numbers doesn't seem to be used in Eve, instead "Blob" seems the Eve standard for overwhelming odds. however, "drone-zerging" is the official method for defeating FoF missiles sigs of the 23/24/25 hijack just as well -eris yarrrr, i shall retake my sig -HippoKing Not a chance, our 1337 sig haXx0r sk1llz are too powerful! - Wrangler Ho-Ho-Hooooooo, Merry Saturday!11 - Immy Yo ho ho and a bottle of BReeEEEEeee.... - Jacques ARRRRRRchambault Stop spamming with "QFT" >:\|. - Teblin
LWMaverick	Posted - 2006.04.04 23:21:00 - [43] w00t .. Cool name
awwsd	Posted - 2006.04.04 23:51:00 - [44] Wiki nerf
Tripp Orsam	Posted - 2006.04.05 00:13:00 - [45] heh, looking at that wiki page I saw a link at the bottom for 'twinking', I think this is the only thing I miss about EQ, having said that you can do some pretty heavy twinking in EVE also, seeing as named modules have lower skill requirements then tech2 modules ----------------------------- EVE Online perfectly strikes all your free time wrecking your 1994 marriage.
Hllaxiu	Posted - 2006.04.05 00:14:00 - [46] Originally by: Slaaght Bana "Nerf" seems common across the MMOGs I've played. The other MMOG common term, "Zerg" (), for overpowering numbers doesn't seem to be used in Eve, instead "Blob" seems the Eve standard for overwhelming odds. () I only found out the other day that this was taken from a race from StarCraft that act in unison in mass numbers to overcome a foe. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zerg "Gank" .. at a guess "Gang Kill"? We don't all shout "Ding" in corp chat everytime we complete a skill train too. Which is nice. In my corp/alliance I hear "zerg" in reference to blobs of "lesser" ships like say, a ton of tech 1 frigates/cruisers coming your way. This is opposed to a "blob" of a bunch of battleships/HACs/t2 frigates. --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson
Slink Grinsdikild	Posted - 2006.04.05 00:30:00 - [47] You people had such sheltered childhoods. Water balloons, nerf guns and super soakers on a hot summers day ftw.
Viktor Fyretracker	Posted - 2006.04.05 02:37:00 - [48] ahh so a blob=zerg, ive allways called large groups of attackers a zerg. figure everyone knows the zerg by now.
DigitalCommunist	Posted - 2006.04.05 03:01:00 - [49] Origins huh? /me goes to look for the Richard-Simmons-riding-nerf-bat sig Purchasing Complex Fullerene Shards, contact me ingame.
DigitalCommunist	Posted - 2006.04.05 03:03:00 - [50] Originally by: Viktor Fyretracker ahh so a blob=zerg, ive allways called large groups of attackers a zerg. figure everyone knows the zerg by now. No, zerg is more like rushing and swarming. Blob is typically a force that sits in one system and doesn't move. It started out during the FA invasion days I think.. not sure :( Purchasing Complex Fullerene Shards, contact me ingame.
John Mathias	Posted - 2006.04.05 05:34:00 - [51] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire I thought it was from Pinky and the Brain? Thats narf not nerf.
Corbin Devereux	Posted - 2006.04.05 05:48:00 - [52] Edited by: Corbin Devereux on 05/04/2006 05:48:28
Isidriel	Posted - 2006.04.05 07:39:00 - [53] Edited by: Isidriel on 05/04/2006 07:41:25 "Nerf" as it's used now pre-dates EQ/UO by quite a few years, since PvP MU*s came way before EQ/UO... (most current online gamers don't pre-date EQ/UO though, so it's understandable how the origins of "nerf" would be attributed to something in EQ/UO's timeframe) -----

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