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Volton Varrimus
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Posted - 2006.04.04 14:35:00 -
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Hello there, I want to make a point of pummelling the lowlife scum who log into our beloved game and strip asteriod belts for RL cash on ebay.
My first experience of it was last night when I happened upon 2 apocs and a hauler all with similar names in the same system. I took the ore from under the Apoc and dropped it into my own jettisonned can. The hauler then appeared and took the ore from my can before instajumping to a station and staying docked.
So 2 questions
1) All of the MARCOminers were in NPC corps SWA etc so will the hauler pilot still be flagged to me for taking from my can? (I did notice a red skull appear beside his ship icon just before he docked)
2) The said hauler pilot does not appear in my kill rights screen, so does this just take time to update or can I no longer fire on them?
Any advice is appreciated, thanks
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ArtemisEntreri
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Posted - 2006.04.04 14:37:00 -
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Kill rights have nothing to do with can flagging, if someone takes from your can he should start flashing on your overview then u can shoot him. This effect only lasts for 15 minutes and after that you can't shoot him.
Yes they affect noob corps
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Volton Varrimus
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Posted - 2006.04.04 14:40:00 -
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Ok so is it possible to take the ore, transfer it into your own can then blow the can up without any penalty??
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Leilani Solaris
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Posted - 2006.04.04 15:17:00 -
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yep.
I haven't got a new sig yet :)
http://triad.eve-killboard.net/
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Rina Shanu
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Posted - 2006.04.04 15:23:00 -
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One thing I learned in my short life in EVE.
Make a gang. Make them stay somewhere in system ready to warp to you. Tank a hauler if you can and go get the ore they mined. If they start shooting at you than the gang warps in and BBQues them. Plus, you have some ore => ISK and modules.
If they do not/afk or whatever keep taking the ore before the macro-hauler picks it up.
You can also vid everything and petition with dates, hours, char names, ship types, etc.
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Irashi
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Posted - 2006.04.04 15:33:00 -
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Better to take everything out of their can, make your own can and rename it to what theirs was called, set the miners to +10 standings and watch them fill your can up for you. Then when the hauler comes along he takes the ore from your can, gets flagged and you're free to kill him. Nice if they've got named expanders. You can then suicide gank the miners and get someone else to take their mods, then petition the scumbags 
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Morgen StMichael
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Posted - 2006.04.04 17:33:00 -
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Petition first, then steal their ore, repeatedly. Else the GMs will consider you profiting from the macro-mining, and deal with you accordingly. Petition, then steal, and they don't care.
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Ogodei Ra
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Posted - 2006.04.04 19:33:00 -
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Im still confused about what makes a macro miner.
"I happened upon 2 apocs and a hauler all with similar names in the same system"
Ok so the names look suspicious.
"The hauler then appeared and took the ore from my can before instajumping to a station and staying docked."
That wasnt a macro miner. That was a player. He took ore from your can which involves clicking OK through a box asking if you want to proceed. Then he reacted fast enough to warp out before you killed him. Then he was smart enough to wait out the 15 minute timer on his theft flag.
That was probably one guy with 2-3 accounts running a little mining operation. He wasnt even AFK.
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Seneen
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Posted - 2006.04.04 20:34:00 -
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 Originally by: Morgen StMichael
Petition first, then steal their ore, repeatedly. Else the GMs will consider you profiting from the macro-mining, and deal with you accordingly. Petition, then steal, and they don't care.
So what does one put in a petition? Just the name? Cause I love theifing ore from the macros (It's a hell of a lot safer then stealing from players), but don't want to get banned for it. |
voogru
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Posted - 2006.04.04 21:59:00 -
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Originally by: Ogodei Ra
Im still confused about what makes a macro miner.
"I happened upon 2 apocs and a hauler all with similar names in the same system"
Ok so the names look suspicious.
"The hauler then appeared and took the ore from my can before instajumping to a station and staying docked."
That wasnt a macro miner. That was a player. He took ore from your can which involves clicking OK through a box asking if you want to proceed. Then he reacted fast enough to warp out before you killed him. Then he was smart enough to wait out the 15 minute timer on his theft flag.
That was probably one guy with 2-3 accounts running a little mining operation. He wasnt even AFK.
The amount of macro miners are very few. Most of the "Macro Miners" are auctually mining sweatshops, their ISK ends up being sold on sites such as eBay.
They don't macro mine, as it's easier to just hire a bunch of labor to do the mining. And yes, the farmers usually steal and insta-dock which is why I steal the ore ASAP and then blow it up, so I am sure that they dont get it.
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Specture
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Posted - 2006.04.04 22:47:00 -
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macro miners, in MY .4 system?
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Vrizuh
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Posted - 2006.04.05 01:03:00 -
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I used to love shuttling up to their ore cans and taking them. They almost never guarded. Sometimes they'd target me, but not do anything after I steal.
Nowadays they empty quickly into the hauler. Its a bit sad really. I like the profit I make from Glacial mass, but the stuff sells so well and for so much that I think perhaps it should be in systems that one cannot afk in.
Warp into the lustrevik ice field sometime. It lags so heavy and you can instantly spot the macros. If you're lucky they're being unattentive. So you just warp to the can or the roid they're mining and yay for profit.
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Volton Varrimus
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Posted - 2006.04.05 08:32:00 -
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Originally by: Ogodei Ra
Im still confused about what makes a macro miner.
"I happened upon 2 apocs and a hauler all with similar names in the same system"
Ok so the names look suspicious.
"The hauler then appeared and took the ore from my can before instajumping to a station and staying docked."
That wasnt a macro miner. That was a player. He took ore from your can which involves clicking OK through a box asking if you want to proceed. Then he reacted fast enough to warp out before you killed him. Then he was smart enough to wait out the 15 minute timer on his theft flag.
That was probably one guy with 2-3 accounts running a little mining operation. He wasnt even AFK.
It was such an obvious MACRO setup, 3 accounts all started exact same day 1.4 months ago, 2x Apoc (obviously no other skills apart from Amarr BS and mining lv 4 for miner2 lasers)
If thats not a MACRO setup then I dont know what is 
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Arcticblue2
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Posted - 2006.04.05 10:39:00 -
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Originally by: Ogodei Ra
Im still confused about what makes a macro miner.
"I happened upon 2 apocs and a hauler all with similar names in the same system"
Ok so the names look suspicious.
"The hauler then appeared and took the ore from my can before instajumping to a station and staying docked."
That wasnt a macro miner. That was a player. He took ore from your can which involves clicking OK through a box asking if you want to proceed. Then he reacted fast enough to warp out before you killed him. Then he was smart enough to wait out the 15 minute timer on his theft flag.
That was probably one guy with 2-3 accounts running a little mining operation. He wasnt even AFK.
Well my experience is that these guys have a macro running, the miners are running on macro and the hauler is the player... the miners if you steal from them, might just pop out a new container if they don't find their own container....
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Sunny Mooninite
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Posted - 2006.04.05 17:57:00 -
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It amazes me how people need to justify their actions. You wanna kill miners and steal their ore? Then just do it, and stop trying to convince yourself that you're somehow doing something pious. 
If I'm using the power of 2 or 10 or whatever, trying to make a lot of isk with a one man mining op, and I name my alts/ships similar names, like "donkey1/beast1" "donkey2/beast2" etc, I'm a macro miner because I've got a system that helps organise things? (not that I would ever mine, mining is for people from West Virginia or Kent in my book)
I personally have no problem just stealing from someones can. If they can stop me, they should, but I'm not going to lie to myself to make it somehow rightous. Have you ever thought of just opening a convo and saying "hey, if you're not a macro miner, say so"?
Just stop trying to fool yourself and others. 
Thanks! 
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Ilor Prophet
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Posted - 2006.04.05 21:11:00 -
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I always try to convo people first. Most macros have their convo settings parked on "reject all," because otherwise a modal window is open on their UI, which interferes with the macro program. Attempting a convo and having it instantly rejected is another good clue that this Apoc battleship with 8 Miner II's piloted by a 45-day-old pilot might, just might not have a real person behind the keyboard.
Use of 3rd party macros is against CCP's terms of use. Petition the account. In the mean time, lock 'em up and light 'em up.
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Wattish
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Posted - 2006.04.05 22:18:00 -
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Not defending macrominers, i still like to hunt them (I see them as targets like any other player). however i object to all the hate going around. while they are breaking rules these are just people trying to make money in harsh conditions. Dont believe me? then have a look at this video
I think it puts a human face on the "lowlife scum" as it were.
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Santiago Cortes
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Posted - 2006.04.06 05:01:00 -
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*Locked*
I believe the macromining issue may have appeared before.
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