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Tiddlywink
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Posted - 2006.04.04 19:58:00 -
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Edited by: Tiddlywink on 04/04/2006 19:59:04
I'm almost done with my learning skills, and it's about that time to choose a direction to go in with this character. I'm thinking Caldari or Gallente ships. I hear missiles are the noob weapon of choice, but I like the idea of drone ships. I'm looking at the skills (drones vs missiles), and I've noticed that drones take much longer to train for effective use. I just want to know, is it worth choosing a droneship in the lategame as opposed to a missile boat?
Thx.
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Centurin
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Posted - 2006.04.04 20:04:00 -
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Honestly, it's more a matter of preference. Drones and missiles take about the same amount of skills, its just difference aspects. Drone ships are focused mainly in Engineering (tank), and Drone skills. Missile boats are more Gunnery oriented.
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Tharbad
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Posted - 2006.04.04 20:11:00 -
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 Originally by: Centurin
Honestly, it's more a matter of preference. Drones and missiles take about the same amount of skills, its just difference aspects. Drone ships are focused mainly in Engineering (tank), and Drone skills. Missile boats are more Gunnery oriented.
Dont listen to this guy, engineering skills are mostly shield related (but few drone ships shield tank), or cap skills, which EVERYBODY needs. Most droneboat armour tank, which requires mechanic skills. They also, these days, use lots of nos and EW, so electronics skills dont go amiss. Missile boats aren't gunnery oriented at all, they're missile ops (surprisingly!) oriented, and furthermore, often have lots of mids for EW or shield tank, so engineering and electronics dont go amiss here either!
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wierchas noobhunter
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Posted - 2006.04.04 20:44:00 -
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yes
drones/exm and nos atm in eve i win button
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Halada
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Posted - 2006.04.04 20:54:00 -
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Edited by: Halada on 04/04/2006 20:54:48
Current EvE i win buttons:
Dominix: nos + drones = i win
Raven: nos + precision cruises = i win
For ratting, the Raven will kick any Domi's ass twice over. For PvP, well... you'll nos me to death, so I won't tank long, but I'll probably do more DPS with my cruises than your drones. So I guess it's who dies first... can't say (never saw a raven fight a domi yet)
It's all about your play style, but I tend to go Raven myself (I fly both BS btw).
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Zed Nash
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Posted - 2006.04.04 20:57:00 -
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Drones don't take a slot, while missile launchers do, and neither use cap. A drone ship can forgo weapons in the high slots and instead fit Nos/Neuts to help run the tank in PvE, or shut down mods in PvP.
Drones are flaky though, they don't like to listen, and can be a pain to use at times. Drones can be destroyed, but in a dedicated drone boat there's usually reserves available. Missiles are "fire and forget" weaponry, they always hit, they always do damage (even if it is small), and they're definately much more reliable. Perfect for those who don't want to be bothered with gun calculations and ranges.
Drone ships usually armor tank, missile boats usually shield tank (and shield tanking competes with ewar fittings), take this into consideration on training time too, since being able to do damage is only a third of the equation, taking damage another, avoiding damage (ewar) the last.
The Raven and Domi are excellent agent-runners and close-combat battleships, with the Domi being more versatile and flexible, while the Raven being more devastating.
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LUKEC
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Posted - 2006.04.04 21:20:00 -
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go caldari... much bigger whining playerbase(40% or more).
Have some shiny pvp ships to. And undisputed pve king.
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Ninjja
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Posted - 2006.04.04 21:56:00 -
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Edited by: Ninjja on 04/04/2006 21:56:16
Drones will also attack without having your enemy targeted. So they are a good defense if you get jammed etc enough to make your missiles unable to fire.
Eve is pretty well balanced, just gotta find what you enjoy i spose.
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Tiddlywink
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Posted - 2006.04.04 23:44:00 -
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I'm probably going to get around to training bothup, but I'm just wondering which will be first. Also, I've heard that percision missile are targeted by TomB's nerf launcher. Are drones gonna get some nerfage too?
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Isonkon Serikain
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Posted - 2006.04.04 23:59:00 -
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If you intend on making isk by pve, then I'd train missiles first as they are much more useful for that.
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Sandler
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Posted - 2006.04.05 00:40:00 -
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Drones are fun, but think missiles are better
Waiting for a drone to dock is PITA if you have to jet
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StinkFinger
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Posted - 2006.04.05 00:44:00 -
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Anyone who plans on pve'ing seriously is going to fly an Apoc. All other ships pale in comparison for pve. Anyone who says different is an idiot.
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Harper04
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Posted - 2006.04.05 02:16:00 -
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Originally by: StinkFinger
Anyone who plans on pve'ing seriously is going to fly an Apoc. All other ships pale in comparison for pve. Anyone who says different is an idiot.
Two words: raven and dominix. Both are superb pve ships against EVERY type of npc, and can tank just as well as an apoc if setup correctly. Used by a person who knows what they are doing, these are much better ships in general for pve than an Apoc.
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velocoraptor
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Posted - 2006.04.05 02:59:00 -
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I pve (and small time pvp) with a Domi. It's indeed a great ship for pve. You get to choose dmg type, has very good tanking capabilities and is generally very versatille. The setup is use involves also guns (mostly 250mm's) but you can do it with only a civilian gatling aggro gun
On the other hand I know th Raven is also very very good at pve (pvp too) plus it has a range advantage. Though I haven't tried sentries yet.
So, I guess both are viable. If it wasn't for current drone bugs I would go Domi. Now I dunno. IF they fix the bugs and nerf precision missiles (specially torps and cruises) I think Domi will be better.
On another note, cause someone asked, I had a little fight in my Domi against a friend's Raven. Well I won big time (didn't even got me in armor which was the one I was tanking), but perhaps it went so cause I was using a much more specific setup than his = Domi with 3 named heavy noses + 3 racial jammers + 3 med blasters + heavy drones = Very dead Raven. (Also, we started fight at close range, but that didn'take much of a difference I think. Less than 20 would have been about the same, more than that I wouldn't have engaged a raven).
About same sp level....
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Luc Boye
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Posted - 2006.04.05 03:24:00 -
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Edited by: Luc Boye on 05/04/2006 03:25:43
Originally by: Centurin
Honestly, it's more a matter of preference. Drones and missiles take about the same amount of skills, its just difference aspects. Drone ships are focused mainly in Engineering (tank), and Drone skills. Missile boats are more Gunnery oriented.
O.o
Missile boats = Missile and Engineering (shield tank)
Drone ships = Drones and Mechanics (armor tank)
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Lightof God
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Posted - 2006.04.05 03:39:00 -
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Next time engage at 150 and see how well you fair.
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Ashal'a Mashal'a
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Posted - 2006.04.05 03:49:00 -
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Dont forget, Drones can be shot down alot easier than missiles
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2006.04.05 03:49:00 -
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Originally by: Centurin
Missile boats are more Gunnery oriented.
And gunboats are missile oriented?
Missileboats(well, Caldari): Shield taking and missiles, so missile skills and engineering skills.
Droneships: Droneskills and mechanic(?) skills.
Those are the 2 main skill groups imo. Having others leveled (learning skills are a given) is a definite plus. You get much more use out of your heavrox if you can fit T2 extenders/bcus/200/250mm rails(in those other 2 highs since you'll be out of NOS range, or in the process of dying to a shortrange ship probably). Then you throw on 5 t2 light drones for some extra DPs and frig defense... mm fun. Drones V is next on my todo list since HACs are too efing expensive atm, and drones are damn helpful even on a caldari BS.
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2006.04.05 03:51:00 -
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Originally by: Halada
For ratting, the Raven will kick any Domi's ass twice over. For PvP, well... you'll nos me to death, so I won't tank long, but I'll probably do more DPS with my cruises than your drones. So I guess it's who dies first... can't say (never saw a raven fight a domi yet)
It's late so my math might be sucking, but a Domi's drones pull alot more damage than a cruise raven. A Torp raven's another story, but imo, a cruise raven will get spanked by the domi*.
*this is assuming that the uber cheat cruise missiles don't hit a drone and cause the OMGIMDED reaction it gives to frigs. 
Originally by: Dark Shikari
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Loreth
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Posted - 2006.04.05 06:24:00 -
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Um .. hi
Domi 
4x Diminishing NOS, 2x Slots where you choose :)
AB, Web, Scram, 2x Slots for EW of ur choice or 2x Cap rechargers
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GF to any close range BS/ship with less than 2x NOS
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Hamatitio
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Posted - 2006.04.05 07:06:00 -
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Raven vs Dommy the raven wins with torps loses with cruise.
Generic setups anyway.
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Hugh Ruka
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Posted - 2006.04.05 08:01:00 -
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drones are fun and do deal very decent damage.
while I am strict missile-caldari, I am realy thinking training for a vexor to use it for missions.
training up drones added another target I can "manage" at the same time with ferox. and it vastly improved my frig killing efficiency.
As to the Dominix, I think it is the most versatile ship in the game atm. While raven has advantages, the Dominix is far more versatile.
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.04.05 08:04:00 -
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drones are FOTM atm
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LWMaverick
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Posted - 2006.04.05 10:03:00 -
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Go caldari & missiles.. No brainer
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Jaraa
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Posted - 2006.04.05 10:06:00 -
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Originally by: Centurin
Honestly, it's more a matter of preference. Drones and missiles take about the same amount of skills, its just difference aspects. Drone ships are focused mainly in Engineering (tank), and Drone skills. Missile boats are more Gunnery oriented.
This made me laugh 
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LUKEC
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Posted - 2006.04.05 11:22:00 -
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Originally by: StinkFinger
Anyone who plans on pve'ing seriously is going to fly an Apoc. All other ships pale in comparison for pve. Anyone who says different is an idiot.
I guess we are all idiots here, because:
Zealot > apoc
geddon > apoc (geddon can tank well enough, more drones, FAR better damage)
domi > apoc (drones aren't ammo, free hi slots for tractor beams and nosfs for some protection)
raven > apoc (on lvl4 definitely, in belts maybe not, hauler with ammo and cans for loot changes it, don't u think)
Even retribution is probably better than apoc in some regions.
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LWMaverick
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Posted - 2006.04.05 11:36:00 -
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Originally by: LUKEC
Originally by: StinkFinger
Anyone who plans on pve'ing seriously is going to fly an Apoc. All other ships pale in comparison for pve. Anyone who says different is an idiot.
I guess we are all idiots here, because:
Zealot > apoc
geddon > apoc (geddon can tank well enough, more drones, FAR better damage)
domi > apoc (drones aren't ammo, free hi slots for tractor beams and nosfs for some protection)
raven > apoc (on lvl4 definitely, in belts maybe not, hauler with ammo and cans for loot changes it, don't u think)
Even retribution is probably better than apoc in some regions.
Well, even though i <3 my apoc(s), i have to agree.. apoc is a fine PvE ship, and has its uses in PvP, but 90% of the setups made/used can be done better in an arma, which costs less, and does higher damage..
I still fly it from time to time, just because of the look, and for the reason that people see it as easy prey.
(4nosf/4pulse+ Damage control + Ubertank + loads of cap rechargers = Kapow) 
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Chith
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Posted - 2006.04.05 14:51:00 -
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Go with what looks cool or turns you on the most. If you stick around for a bit you'll notice that different setups and tactics all cycle in and out of favor. With regards to PvP, it usually ends up being pilot ability and sense anyway. I'm currently a gallente drone/hybrid ***** dreaming wistfully of how nifty it would have been to go proj/min. |
Kaffeine
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Posted - 2006.04.05 15:46:00 -
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If you like to kick back and spam missiles from 100k+, go Caldari.
If you like to get up and personal, use Gallente (though you can snipe with a Mega-thong). :D
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Tiddlywink
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Posted - 2006.04.05 21:30:00 -
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Damn, this is gonna be a hard decision, Guess I can still for time by getting electronics and engineering up to 5.
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.04.05 21:46:00 -
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Originally by: StinkFinger
Anyone who plans on pve'ing seriously is going to fly an Apoc. All other ships pale in comparison for pve. Anyone who says different is an idiot.
you are wrong.
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Lissett
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Posted - 2006.04.06 15:10:00 -
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Am I missing something here?
Multiple posts above state that the drones of a Domi will do more damage than the cruise missiles of a Raven.
How about the raven's drones? Won't a raven's drones do about 1/2 to 1/3 (depending on skills) of the Domi's? And if the raven is smart enough to get out or stay outside of 20km, it seems to me that the Domi is hosed. Just my 2isk.
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Pottsey
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Posted - 2006.04.06 15:32:00 -
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ôWon't a raven's drones do about 1/2 to 1/3 (depending on skills) of the Domi's? And if the raven is smart enough to get out or stay outside of 20km, it seems to me that the Domi is hosed. Just my 2isk.ö
Raven pilots donÆt tend to have max drone skills with T2 drones like a Domi so its way under + damage when comparing a ravens drone to a domi drone. Drones have a 60km range without mods so the Raven can still have problem if itÆs outside 20km.
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