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Jonathan Storm
The Scope
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.02.06 01:10:00 -
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So I am running another level 3 mission in low sec, in a passive shield drake, in my alt combat spec. Get jumped and started fighting. I was warp scramed and webbed, but he wasnGÇÖt able to break my tank, until his buddy in a raven showed up, at which point I lost. He offered me a ransom of 10 mil to save my ship. I said I couldnGÇÖt trust him and he might as well kill me. I did make it away with my pod. But I started thinking maybe ransom isnGÇÖt a guaranteed bad idea, I lost 60 mil in ship and modules, and several hours shopping and fitting.
The biggest reason why I donGÇÖt want to pay ransom, I donGÇÖt want to award a jerk for being a jerk. In fact I would love a self-destruct button that would kill my own ship and pod leaving only a salvageable wreckage, aka no modules.
Also even if I pay there in no guarantee they actually leave me alone, so now out even more value.
The biggest reason why I might want to pay a ransom, it will take me several hours to recoup my losses, and my time I can play a day is limited, because I work in real life. So I might be back to where I was by Saturday but more likely Monday. And I still have to try and beat the mission or loose major faction.
What are you veterans opinions? Pay/donGÇÖt pay? Sometimes?
Side topic, I really like that drake set up for mission running, bad idea to have two identical ships in my hanger?
Side topic, I know a lot of you are wondering why I donGÇÖt have a pvp ship to try and take my revenge. Revenge is a waste of my playing time, because of my limited chance of actual success, and risk in isk for that type of ship, fight a pair, is more than I can lose comfortable, even the drake loss caused disappointment. And the risk vs reward seams mighty small.
One last question but unrelated. I crush a level 3 in my drake. Is it possible to do a level 3 in a cruiser?
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Erica Dusette
Nighthawk Exploration
2900
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Posted - 2014.02.06 01:40:00 -
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I question your labeling of them as jerks. You entered lowsec, where anyone can attack you, in a 'soft' ship to do missions. You should fully expect to be attacked when entering lowsec and prepare for that eventuality.
As for ransoms they can often be worth paying. Most pirates will honour them, although there are always exceptions.
If it's a matter of principle then whether to pay or not is entirely up to you. 
Usually it's a matter of maths though, combined with whether or not you believe the pirate can be trusted to honour his/her ransom offer.
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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
Late Night Alliance
4810
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Posted - 2014.02.06 01:58:00 -
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Make a judgement call. Some might honor it... some might not. I will personally let a genuine newbie go if they react well under the circumstances. If they call me a "jerk" or spout off their mouths... well... 
Here's an option not many try; haggle.
If you don't have the ISK but don't mind losing a bit of dignity you can ask to sing a song for your release. I'm pretty sure there is a recording of me singing "I like big butts and I cannot lie..." and "I'm a Barbie Girl." 
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NightCrawler 85
Phoibe Enterprises
1409
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Posted - 2014.02.06 02:01:00 -
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It is also possible to self destruct your ship and pod (right click on it, and hit self destruct). You will have about 20? seconds until your ship explodes and last i knew no modules would drop when you did this.
If you activated it by accident you can hit self destruct again and it should cancel the count down
Some people will honor ransoms, some wont, and it really is a chance thing.
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NightCrawler 85
Phoibe Enterprises
1409
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Posted - 2014.02.06 02:02:00 -
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ShahFluffers wrote:Here's an option not many try; haggle. If you don't have the ISK but don't mind losing a bit of dignity you can ask to sing a song for your release. I'm pretty sure there is a recording of me singing "I like big butts and I cannot lie..." and "I'm a Barbie Girl."
And +1 purely for the Barbie Girl singing!
Im not sure i want to know how drunk you were 
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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
Late Night Alliance
4810
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Posted - 2014.02.06 02:03:00 -
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NightCrawler 85 wrote:It is also possible to self destruct your ship and pod (right click on it, and hit self destruct). You will have about 20? seconds until your ship explodes and last i knew no modules would drop when you did this. If you activated it by accident you can hit self destruct again and it should cancel the count down Some people will honor ransoms, some wont, and it really is a chance thing.
It's 2 minutes long. And loot does drop but (from what I have seen) at a far lower rate.
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J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
3625
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Posted - 2014.02.06 02:08:00 -
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Jonathan Storm wrote:
The biggest reason why I donGÇÖt want to pay ransom, I donGÇÖt want to award a jerk for being a jerk. In fact I would love a self-destruct button that would kill my own ship and pod leaving only a salvageable wreckage, aka no modules.
Guess what, there is.
Right click the capacitor hud...initiate self destruct...only takes 2 minutes (and they will kill you before you complete that timer, as everybody on grid sees you started self destruct countdown).
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Fal Shepard
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
7
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Posted - 2014.02.06 02:56:00 -
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Ransom is an arguable topic. It all depends on the offender and there is no garantee that it will be honored. What you could have done, if you were considering it, is agree to pay half up front. Then pay the rest once they escort you to a station.
Word to the wise: Don't try to skip the second installment. They can camp you or hunt you down, or even put a bounty on you. The second time they may not be so merciful.
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Haedonism Bot
Revolutionary Front
815
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Posted - 2014.02.06 02:59:00 -
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Holding ships for ransom is a long standing tradition in this game. It isn't, in itself, "being a jerk". In lowsec everybody is fair game - you can take steps to evade pirates, but you can't really hold it against them when they catch you.
As for the ransom, obviously you can never be certain if they will honor it, but many of the more significant pirate corps enforce policies on that. If a Tusker asks me for a ransom, then I'd pay without hesitation. Anybody else? I guess I'd go with my gut. If you want to play in lowsec, it's good to figure out who the local pirates are and what their reputation is.
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J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
3626
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Posted - 2014.02.06 03:07:00 -
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Haedonism Bot wrote:Holding ships for ransom is a long standing tradition in this game. It isn't, in itself, "being a jerk". In lowsec everybody is fair game - you can take steps to evade pirates, but you can't really hold it against them when they catch you.
This.
EVE actually has a nice little pop up when you jump into low-sec the first time.
You have ventured into more hostile water and thus agreed with the risk of being picked on by those "jerks".
You could have taken actions to prevent it, by for instance watching local and D-scan like a hawk. Specially as you were running a mission, it meant that they had to probe you out.
If you would have looked at D-scan often and noticed Combat probes, you could have gotten away before they even arrived.
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
4015
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Posted - 2014.02.06 06:00:00 -
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Jonathan Storm wrote:
What are you veterans opinions? Pay/donGÇÖt pay? Sometimes?
Seven plus years in the game and I have never once paid a ransom. After they blow up my ship I will defiantly bump them with my pod until they blow that up too.
One bit of advice: Pirates feed on tears. Don't give them any. Be nice in local. You might even ask them what you did wrong and they might give you some good advice. I've made friends with people I've met on both sides of a gank over the years.
Remember this always. It's just a game and ships are made to be lost. Don't sweat it when it happens.
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Ovv Topik
The Tuskers
625
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Posted - 2014.02.06 11:58:00 -
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Whether to pay or not depends completely on reputation.
You will get to know the local entities in your area.
Tuskers for instance will always honour ransoms, and would be expelled from the corp for not doing so.
On the other hand: Back when I was a newb I was grinding standings with Caldari Navy on a Jita station trading alt by running Courier missions.
I'd finished the (Is it 14?) mission cycle and had been given the big bonus Faction Standing mission which took me into low sec to pick up a load.
Picked up the package fine and on the last lowsec gate before hi, i landed in a gate camp. I held my cloak and instantly offered a 100mil ransom to pass, explaining it was a mission cargo I was carrying. (100mil was more than fair for an entire nights mission grinding lost.)
I knew the time on the gate cloak was running out, and as they replied 'Hell Yea!" I just had time to click on the repliers character sheet: - Goons!
'Forget that!' I thought and knowing they had no intention of honouring the payment I aligned for the next gate accepting I was dead but not 100mil down.
Funny thing is, they failed to point me! I got away free, and they missed out on 100mil isk. . Anyone else would have had the cash.
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Sabriz Adoudel
Mission BLITZ
1961
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Posted - 2014.02.06 23:40:00 -
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I would not trust someone offering a 10m ransom on a 60m ship.
If the ransom demand was closer to half the value of the ship, I'd be more inclined to trust them.
I have been ransomed once, and I paid and it was dishonored. I have ransomed people twice - one declined and lost their 2600m ship (I asked him what he would pay and was intending to honor anything over 600m and decline but not dishonor anything less) and the other ransom client wasn't as helpless as I thought and got away.
Expect to make this decision again in your EVE career.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
15896
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Posted - 2014.02.06 23:51:00 -
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ShahFluffers wrote:Make a judgement call. Some might honor it... some might not. I will personally let a genuine newbie go if they react well under the circumstances. If they call me a "jerk" or spout off their mouths... well... Here's an option not many try; haggle. If you don't have the ISK but don't mind losing a bit of dignity you can ask to sing a song for your release. I'm pretty sure there is a recording of me singing "I like big butts and I cannot lie..." and "I'm a Barbie Girl." Been there done that, I've sung "I want to break free" and "the safety dance", really really badly, for my ship in the past. |
Jonathan Storm
The Scope
Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2014.02.07 00:16:00 -
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That singing thing canGÇÖt possible work, unless itGÇÖs a set up. |
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
3514
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Posted - 2014.02.07 00:22:00 -
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In my experience, if someone is ransoming you in lowsec, they generally will honor it. If someone is trying to ransom you in highsec, they'll dishonor it!
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
15898
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Posted - 2014.02.07 00:32:00 -
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Jonathan Storm wrote:That singing thing canGÇÖt possible work, unless itGÇÖs a set up.
Lol, it works fine and has done for years
http://www.gamebreaker.tv/mmorpg/odyssey-singing-to-stay-alive-in-eve-online/
The Bastards are well known for collecting singing ransoms and then posting them on their website
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Thomas Builder
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
405
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Posted - 2014.02.07 00:33:00 -
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Jonathan Storm wrote:That singing thing canGÇÖt possible work, unless itGÇÖs a set up. You'd be surprised...
After all, this is a game and they are doing it for fun. Hearing someone sing 'Barbie girl' on TS is much more fun than a mere 50 millions ISK - especially if you record it |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
Late Night Alliance
4838
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Posted - 2014.02.07 01:04:00 -
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Jonathan Storm wrote:That singing thing canGÇÖt possible work, unless itGÇÖs a set up.
Stranger things have happened. There have been... unconfirmed... reports of people being ransomed for medium veggie pizzas before... not that I'd know anything about that or something. 
And before you comment on how serious people must take this game if they order pizza to save their ship I would like to point you to other... unconfirmed... reports on how some guys located the RL residence the head Fleet Commander of an alliance and cut the power to his apartment with a pair of boltcutters during a massive fleet battle
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
15902
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Posted - 2014.02.07 01:06:00 -
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^^ Pizza ransom, best ransom. |
Qalix
Long Jump.
91
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Posted - 2014.02.07 03:58:00 -
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Never pay ransoms. Ever. |
Zappity
Kurved Space
802
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Posted - 2014.02.07 10:03:00 -
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Caracal fit for range would probably do level 3 missions fine. But why do them in lowsec if you are trying to make isk?
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Heddy Lamarr
New Eden Fedo Lovers Society
21
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Posted - 2014.02.07 10:08:00 -
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Whats the saying? Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.
Paying a ransom gives you a very good chance of falling into the second category. |
Dyphorus
Meatshield Bastards
The Bastards.
68
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Posted - 2014.02.07 13:06:00 -
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Most reputable pirate corps have a policy of honoring ransoms. Having a reputation for doing so ensures that people will at least consider our offers to save their pod/ship. That said, this not all follow this code of ethics. Better to get to know the local residents of your low sec neighborhood of choice. This will give you a better idea when/where is safe, as well as who is likely to act in what manner.
Also.. not all pirates will ask for your isk. Some just want your dignity 
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