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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.04.10 12:50:00 -
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I'm begining to think that nos shouldn't affect cap directly at all, but instead mess up your cap regeneration. That'd change its role in combat, true, but it'd still be useful and it'd made neuts even more useful (you'd use a mix of them), plus it'd made cap injectors a REAL counter to nos.
Anyway, if we keep the current system.. for sig radius, if you use that idea you'd want a factor of roughly X^4 in there (ask Naughty Boy about it).
Necrologic, they're a highslot energy transfer module :P
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.04.10 22:57:00 -
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 Originally by: smallgreenblur
Actually come to think of it, if nos get nerfed my sleipnir will be pretty much a solopwnmobile. woot :)
sgb
Which is why I want to leave neuts alone, so when your cap vanishes you can test your command of the nastier side of the english language  
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.04.10 23:10:00 -
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Then they are a little to useless against smaller ships, which is why I suggested what turns out to be (thanks Naughty Boy) a modified X^4 modifier for the sig radius in the calculation for nos.
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.04.11 00:41:00 -
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Originally by: Roue
Originally by: Maya Rkell
Then they are a little to useless against smaller ships, which is why I suggested what turns out to be (thanks Naughty Boy) a modified X^4 modifier for the sig radius in the calculation for nos.
Are you referring to my setup or someone elses?
If you are reffering to mine then let me ask you something. If 10 cap on a small nosferatu is useless against smaller ships why the heck should a smaller ship consider using a nosferatu against another smaller ship?
Do remember at present that the cycle time of the small nos is 25% of the large nos's. So the difference is not really as great as you seem to believe.
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.04.11 12:56:00 -
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Originally by: Aloysius Knight
you need to give something to the por nos side for this change, like
making it so bs get a tracking bonus to small wepons, to promote the idea of using other things instead
Like, as I've suggested before, fixing dual weapons so they're actually useful? :)
There are a lot of mildly underpowered things which can be fixed once the blatently broken nos is addressed.
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.04.11 18:41:00 -
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Originally by: Hugh Ruka
again, nos is used because there is no better alternative. if you create one, nos will not be used that often. I don't remember now if it was Weirda or Maya who proposed the fix to dual weapons (lowest in medium/large class) so they can be used as effective defence weapons against lower class ships and be decent against same class ships. then we have less of a "problem".
Me. I'm for either changing nos to klling cap recharge rather than the current drain, or introducing a X^4 modified sig radius factor to the amount drained.
THEN fix up dual weapons (and possibly a few modules I'll mention as and when I hear the devs take on all this).
PS, webs are fine. 10km is SHORT range, even for frigs.
Nyxus, there are VERY good reasons why the long range webs are faction BS-fitting or recon ship. I suggest you look into them.
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.04.11 19:16:00 -
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The BS vs long frig is rubbish because of drones anyway. This would be anoter nail in the coffin of the frigate unless you just went ahead and outright REMOVED nos.
My ideas would mean that nos remained useful, but not uber, against smaller ships and this would be just as bad, if not worse than present nos.
There is also the condideration that longer ranegd webs are a serious nerf to shorter ranged ships, especially blaster-armed ones.
Longer ranged webs are a bad idea.
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.04.11 21:16:00 -
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1/ Of course, with the concurrent nerf to the unskilled user of course...
2/ Again sure
3/ Complete and utter rubbish. Every BS has drones.
Your ignorance of basic facts like the dronebay of every BS is telling.
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.04.11 21:23:00 -
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Aww, Zed, still utterly unable to put a single coherent argument goether and full of the belief that you "won" anything when actually all you're doing is spluttering.
If you don't want your ignorance of basic Eve facts pointed out, then actually study issues before posting.
There are adults in this thread. You're not one of them.
"The Human eye is a marvelous device, with a very little effort it can overlook all but the most glaring injustice" - Quellchrist Falconer |
Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.04.11 21:34:00 -
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Edited by: Maya Rkell on 11/04/2006 21:34:46
"Civil" relates, actually, to society. You're making a cultural-based assumption. This is a MMO, and the adult qualitys which are prized for discussing game balance issues are attention to detail and the ability to use logic in deconstructing balance issues. Again, you're being inaccurate.
If you want to take part in a reasoned debate, you need a basic knowledge of the issues at hand, to which you have just demonstrated a frankly appalling level of ignorance (again, you didn't know that all BS had drone bays). That does not really recomend your viewpoint. Either that or you are using a straw man to justify not nerfing Nos.
You are working off a false premise, and this is a thinly disguised attempt to fill this thread up with rubbish, obscuring the actual discussion going on here. If you were actually attempting to debate, you'd be looking at suggestions such as nos affecting cap recharge rate and discussing WHY you didn't like them rather than doing on about how unfairly you're treated in the thread.
"The Human eye is a marvelous device, with a very little effort it can overlook all but the most glaring injustice" - Quellchrist Falconer |
Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.04.11 21:47:00 -
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Edited by: Maya Rkell on 11/04/2006 21:48:48
You prove my point admirably. And I am certainly not to going to let a single one of your innaccuracies and inconsistancies pass without being pointed out in threads where I happen to be posting.
Your innaccuracies and inconsistancies, not you. YOU are taking it personally.
There are times I've even agreed with you (as I did with 2/3 of your post there), and you automagically focus on the disagreement.
"The Human eye is a marvelous device, with a very little effort it can overlook all but the most glaring injustice" - Quellchrist Falconer |
Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.04.11 21:50:00 -
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Edited by: Maya Rkell on 11/04/2006 21:52:05
Then stop posting things which are untrue and straw men into balance threads. Quite simple. It's not you, I do it to everyone who does the same.
"The Human eye is a marvelous device, with a very little effort it can overlook all but the most glaring injustice" - Quellchrist Falconer |
Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.04.11 21:53:00 -
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Edited by: Maya Rkell on 11/04/2006 21:54:11
Zed Nash, You came into a thread where I was allready posted and posted something which was clearly inaccurate. YOU came.
And yes, can the people who think it's fine necro their own old signed thread now we have a search? Thanks!
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