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Lord Zim
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.11.30 13:59:00 -
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Thredd Necro wrote:Null-sec: "Boo hoo we want more money because we chose to live in a ******, dangerous neighborhood and the cost of living is SOOO high and that's SOOO unfair...but if you won't give it to us at least steal it from those carebears who chose to live someplace safer and save their money...  "
Nope. You know, I find it funny how you keep missing what nullsec people want. We want more people, not more isk. Actually, that's not true, everybody wants more isk, but the main problem we have in nullsec now is that there aren't enough pilots there. Hence the ongoing shift in enticements to entice people to get into low/nullsec.
Thredd Necro wrote:High-sec: "You could just move to high-sec."
I'll let you in on a secret: We already have. I make more money off of Jita market fuckery than I ever would doing incursions. And I spend significantly less time doing so. |
JitaJane
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
133
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Posted - 2011.11.30 14:38:00 -
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Agreed isk is not really a valuable resourse. Pilots and time are the core commodities in Eve. That said I really don't think making high a worse place is a good way to make folks want to move. I think my real disappointment in Incursions is what they have become as opposed to what they could have been. The idea of ecposing high seccers to coordinated tactics and enticing them with higher profit has potential. Potential that seems wasted....
90% of of the time my posts are about something I actually find interesting and want to learn more about. Do not be alarmed. |
Velicitia
Open Designs
137
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Posted - 2011.11.30 19:48:00 -
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JitaJane wrote: Well if your message is 'nerf everything that does not fit my favorite play style' I assure you that is a common enough position. Lame, but common.
yep -- buff mining!
seriously though, it wasn't "nerf everything I don't do" but "nerf the safe things a bit more" |
Cearain
The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
88
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Posted - 2011.12.01 17:51:00 -
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Why do you think there is less risk doing an incursion in low sec than in sov null sec?
It would seem to me that low sec and npc null sec would be the most risky places to do incursions. Deep in sov null sec would have much less risk.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve
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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power.
Cascade Imminent
123
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Posted - 2011.12.01 21:20:00 -
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Cearain wrote:Why do you think there is less risk doing an incursion in low sec than in sov null sec?
It would seem to me that low sec and npc null sec would be the most risky places to do incursions. Deep in sov null sec would have much less risk.
Assuming you a) have access to that region and b) can secure it against every hostile frigate that enters the area. |
Goose99
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
257
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Posted - 2011.12.01 21:39:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Cearain wrote:Why do you think there is less risk doing an incursion in low sec than in sov null sec?
It would seem to me that low sec and npc null sec would be the most risky places to do incursions. Deep in sov null sec would have much less risk. Assuming you a) have access to that region and b) can secure it against every hostile frigate that enters the area.
It has to do with ratting bots being more profitable than incursions. |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power.
Cascade Imminent
123
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Posted - 2011.12.01 22:05:00 -
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Goose99 wrote:Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Cearain wrote:Why do you think there is less risk doing an incursion in low sec than in sov null sec?
It would seem to me that low sec and npc null sec would be the most risky places to do incursions. Deep in sov null sec would have much less risk. Assuming you a) have access to that region and b) can secure it against every hostile frigate that enters the area. It has to do with ratting bots being more profitable than incursions.
Bots are active in places other then nullsec
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Cearain
The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
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Posted - 2011.12.01 22:40:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Cearain wrote:Why do you think there is less risk doing an incursion in low sec than in sov null sec?
It would seem to me that low sec and npc null sec would be the most risky places to do incursions. Deep in sov null sec would have much less risk. Assuming you a) have access to that region and b) can secure it against every hostile frigate that enters the area.
I'm not sure I follow you. We seem to agree that difficulty securing a space against potential hostiles is an important factor in risk while running incursions.
It is much harder/impossible to secure npc null sec and low sec than sov null sec. Do you agree?
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve
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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power.
Cascade Imminent
123
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Posted - 2011.12.01 23:11:00 -
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Cearain wrote:Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Cearain wrote:Why do you think there is less risk doing an incursion in low sec than in sov null sec?
It would seem to me that low sec and npc null sec would be the most risky places to do incursions. Deep in sov null sec would have much less risk. Assuming you a) have access to that region and b) can secure it against every hostile frigate that enters the area. I'm not sure I follow you. We seem to agree that difficulty securing a space against potential hostiles is an important factor in risk while running incursions. It is much harder/impossible to secure npc null sec and low sec than sov null sec. Do you agree?
I think it's a matter of perspective we're disagreeing on. Sov null sec is easier to secure then NPC/Low for running incursions, assuming you hold sov in the first place. I think you'd agree that showing up to someone else's sov space with your PVE fleet to run incursions qualifies as 'risky', right? And that's one of the main reasons high sec incursions are so much more popular then other kinds - highsec runners have their pick of all hisec incursions, while sov holding players have to hope that a null incursion spawns in a region they own and have any hope of securing.
As for running incursions in them, we're debating different shades of black here since any low/npc/sov incursion golden fleet can be broken with a cloaky prober with a cyno. |
Cearain
The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
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Posted - 2011.12.01 23:25:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Cearain wrote:Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Cearain wrote:Why do you think there is less risk doing an incursion in low sec than in sov null sec?
It would seem to me that low sec and npc null sec would be the most risky places to do incursions. Deep in sov null sec would have much less risk. Assuming you a) have access to that region and b) can secure it against every hostile frigate that enters the area. I'm not sure I follow you. We seem to agree that difficulty securing a space against potential hostiles is an important factor in risk while running incursions. It is much harder/impossible to secure npc null sec and low sec than sov null sec. Do you agree? I think it's a matter of perspective we're disagreeing on. Sov null sec is easier to secure then NPC/Low for running incursions, assuming you hold sov in the first place. I think you'd agree that showing up to someone else's sov space with your PVE fleet to run incursions qualifies as 'risky', right? And that's one of the main reasons high sec incursions are so much more popular then other kinds - highsec runners have their pick of all hisec incursions, while sov holding players have to hope that a null incursion spawns in a region they own and have any hope of securing. As for running incursions in them, we're debating different shades of black here since any low/npc/sov incursion golden fleet can be broken with a cloaky prober with a cyno.
Yes I agree it is easier if you own sov there its not easier if you don't.
As to whether the pay is out of line, I think the easy way to tell. Where are incursion run most often and the quickest? If they are run more often in sov null sec than in low sec or npc null sec then we can assume they are better risk reward. or vice versa.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve
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Benbrabu
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.12.06 21:42:00 -
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No RISK?
I am a 1.5 year old pilot with 6.3 Million SP. This is because I have gotten in and out of this game multiple times. But I keep coming back. Now I need a way to get some ISK and I would actually have some choices to move from HS missioning to some PvP and possibly see what lowsec or nullsec is all about. So I started thinking maybe I can run some incursions to get ISK.
But with my small wallet, and player and character skills I feel I cant really afford to lose the ships required to run HS Incursions much less any Low Sec - Null stuff. Hell I probably wouldn't even be selected for any fleets with my T1 Battle-Cruiser with a little T2 tank anyway.
There are some of us who are not set, and cant just buy everything we need and want. Some players are just on the verge to be able to afford the activities that can actually make ISK to keep this game fun.
Guess I'll go run a level III for about 1 Million ISK for the 5th time today.
OK, OK [/tears] here .....
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Shaidar Hussan
Uncontrollable Violence
Rage Alliance
19
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Posted - 2011.12.07 03:48:00 -
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Benbrabu wrote:No RISK? I am a 1.5 year old pilot with 6.3 Million SP. This is because I have gotten in and out of this game multiple times. But I keep coming back. Now I need a way to get some ISK and I would actually have some choices to move from HS missioning to some PvP and possibly see what lowsec or nullsec is all about. So I started thinking maybe I can run some incursions to get ISK. But with my small wallet, and player and character skills I feel I cant really afford to lose the ships required to run HS Incursions much less any Low Sec - Null stuff. Hell I probably wouldn't even be selected for any fleets with my T1 Battle-Cruiser with a little T2 tank anyway. There are some of us who are not set, and cant just buy everything we need and want. Some players are just on the verge to be able to afford the activities that can actually make ISK to keep this game fun. Guess I'll go run a level III for about 1 Million ISK for the 5th time today. OK, OK [/tears] here .....
learn to scan, then go run gas proc/HPAs until you have a few nanite controls. Plexing in low sec is pretty much risk free as it is, as long as you don't blindly jump through gates and use directional.
You also need less ISK / SP to begin exploration than you do to start incursions, hell you could even run c2s.
The problem with incursions at the moment is that, as the above poster shows, new players see them as the only viable way of making ISK. They shouldn't be, it complete destroys the scope of this game. |
Jalmari Huitsikko
draketrain
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Posted - 2011.12.16 22:57:00 -
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DRAKETRAIN APPROVES INCURSIONS
INCURSIONS ARE FINE
LEAVE THEM ALONE
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