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Mike Azariah
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Posted - 2014.02.10 20:11:00 -
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I waited 60 pages, to see if the noise would settle out, wrote a blog post while I was waiting.
Look, the difference between Incursions assist and slowcat is the incursion pilots are still really active in the fleet, not going off to make a sandwich. THAT is why I argue that some drone assist needs to stay.
Other options were considered and the hard cap was what was settled on so I ask this of you forum pundits.
What will happen next?
Will drone usage change in null?
Will Incursion fleets end because they cannot maker the ball o doom?
Will the intended outcomes be achieved or do you even agree what the intended outcomes are?
I can assure you this was NOT a kneejerk reaction to any recent battle in the past month so drop that garbage now.
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Mike Azariah
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Posted - 2014.02.10 23:47:00 -
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Mario Putzo wrote: Will drone use change? No. People will still bring drones in subcaps and capitals, people will still deploy drones, with or without drone assist.
Will incursions end? No. Players will adapt, us PvE folk always adapt when nullsec breaks our toys. Either by actually adapting, or just leaving the game.
Will the intended issues be fixed? No because if the issue is people actually hitting buttons and having "fun" then having any drone assist at all does not fix this, since drones are used regardless if drone assist is or not then the lag issue also is not solved
Not a kneejerk reaction, give me a break. First off Drone assist has never been an issue, at least not until N3 started killing Baltec Fleets in the fountain war, when CFC Leadership first had their groupies run off to various forums and troll N3 members about their boring fleets. (Kugu/EVEO/ScrapHeap all had these discussions) This lasted until about October, when CFC declared they would fly nothing but Domi's until drone assist was nerfed.
2 Weeks after HED and now we have a "fix" specifically targeting Drone Assist, and Server load. Doesn't get any more Knee Jerk than that.
Now I don't think Drone assist impacts the game either way. I don't care if it is in or out. I want to know what CCP actually plans to do regarding the issue with drones causing latency through the whole server when 4K dudes brawl in nullsec. The issue is not Drone Assist, we all can see that. The issue is with drones themselves and this "fix" does not fix that. At all.
Back to the drawing board. Or why even post a discussion topic if there is no room for discussion. Either axe Drone assist entirely or not at all, assist cap doesn't change the game to people mashing buttons. 25 people playing instead of 1 out of 250 isn't a fix
Thanks for actually answering the questions, directly Taking your last paragraph, first. IF they axed assist completely then how would that change the fact that people would still bring drones and field them, still have the lag issues, and the fleet size issues? Would the bandwidth argument others make have an effect on that either?
Kneejerk, all I can say is Correlation does not Imply Causation.
Drones have been under the microscope a lot lately . . .Omnis, shield regen, assist cap. If you step back then this becomes part of a spectrum of change and not a one shot quick fix.
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Mike Azariah
DemSal Corporation DemSal Unlimited
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Posted - 2014.02.10 23:59:00 -
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Grath Telkin wrote:Mike Azariah wrote: Kneejerk, all I can say is Correlation does not Imply Causation.
tl;dr hey guys i know it looks like we're caving to the demands of a portion of the player base instead of actually addressing the overall problem but i swear thats not actually whats happening.
Why is you tl:dr longer than my original bit?
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Mike Azariah
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Posted - 2014.02.11 00:11:00 -
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xHxHxAOD wrote: i do have a few questions for u about this if u dont mind answering them. as a bunch of people have said this many times this change does nothing to fix anything, so if this does not fix or change anything to make things better they why do it. to quote rise We feel that drone assist, at a large scale, leads to passive gameplay that most players do not enjoy. GÇó Assist places too much control in the hands of a single person and leaves the majority of the fleet with little to do idk about u but how does ccp know that players not like passive gameplay bc they do for the most part take a look at how many afk ways there are to make isk.
Good start. Well, one would assume that CCP does research into what people like about their game and what makes them stay. They may not get it right for everybody but I am fairly sure they will be chasing the biggest populations of players with that in mind both for retention and new player gains. It just makes business sense, no?
xHxHxAOD wrote: Drones, for the time being, are the most taxing weapon system for our hardware GÇó, which means overall play experience has suffered some because of the popularity of sentry doctrines ok for this if drones are so stressful for the server then why not change the way drones act on the server this changfe does nothing to help how stressed/taxed as it does nothing to change how many drones are on grid or used. just bc a fleet of say 200 domis for dps and now need 20 people to assign drones do does nothing to the fact that i still have the same amount of drone as before.
now for will drone usage change no bc almost every ship in every fleet comp has ships that can drones, so drones will still tax the server bc this change does nothing to change how many drones are use or how taxing they are.now i would like to see the huge spike in drone usage was and was it when the cfc started using them to get them nerfed.
people will still do incursions bc unless its nerfed in to the ground isk wise but it will be more of a pain to do so. that means less people may put the time and effort in to them now so it may affect them which in turn could hurt other areas too.
no **** will not change bc this change does nothing to fix anything drones will still be just as stressfull as before and this change does not make it anymore fun to do
I am not clear on what the second question is.
Oh for the record and to respond to some other posts out there,
1) I am a hisec carebear, most of the time 2) I fly a lot of Gallente ships and mission in a Domi weith sentry drones 3) I fly in incursions for some of my isk (/me waves at Warp to Me and Valhalla Project) 4) Nobody in Null gives me talking points, marching orders, or isk to represent them. 5) There are two distinct wormhole space candidates also on the council who pretty much laugh at null politics
Take from that what you will
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Mike Azariah
DemSal Corporation DemSal Unlimited
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Posted - 2014.02.11 01:04:00 -
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Captain StringfellowHawk wrote:
We have seen CCP overhaul weapon systems before. Why not just make an entire point release or give the NEXT EXPANSION the drone modifications, flesh out it, make it how they for years keep saying they have ideas for. Hell, I still want to see Drones using racial firing. I want to drop a bunch of amarr drones next to me and watch even more beams of death shoot out or even fighters having better animations. I mean I expect amarr drones should more look like Miner I's firing on a rock. Lasers tearing into a ship. Caldari drones firing rockets, etc etc. But I know that adds more calculations to lag up a server... It's a dream..... Unless you just keep the damages the same and add in the animations... let our pc's handle the new graphics vOv
I agree that it is a dream but it is a damn nice one. Especially the bit about racial guns for the drones.
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Mike Azariah
DemSal Corporation DemSal Unlimited
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Posted - 2014.02.11 18:01:00 -
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Weaselior wrote: i am pleased to see that all of the people with self-awareness have retreated leaving only pinky hops to hold the field and demonstrate the intellectual bankruptcy of the pro-drone assist camp,
Nah, we said our piece and were satisfied with what we had said (or at least I had, don't know about the others)
Repetition does not make anything truer not does shouting 'liar liar' make something false
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Mike Azariah
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Posted - 2014.02.12 07:19:00 -
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Grath Telkin wrote: So now you're driven around by your FC instead, in other words, passive game play.
Would you then be in favour of eliminating Fleet Warp?
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