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Boonaki	Posted - 2006.04.06 16:51:00 - [1] Nerf Make warp scrams and webs effect it. Buff Allow it to fit POS guns :P Fear the Ibis of doom.
lofty29	Posted - 2006.04.06 16:53:00 - [2] It can fit POS guns, nub --------------------------- Originally by: Oveur I see boobies! \o/
Testicular Testes	Posted - 2006.04.06 16:53:00 - [3] Nerf this mans forum access. But yeah unscramblability is a bit odd.
Scalor Valentis	Posted - 2006.04.06 16:55:00 - [4] go mine veld in your carrier! [23] Member: BoB Alt whoe Lelos or Cocordokken!
ElCoCo	Posted - 2006.04.06 17:02:00 - [5] Indeed make scramblers affect it. But also have built-in siege mode as it's firepower/survivability (if you exclude the doomsday device) looks crap on paper
Elegant	Posted - 2006.04.06 17:07:00 - [6] Why make scrams affect it? Isk sink? You know that the first ones out are going to be such targets. The fact that any frig with a med slot could lock one down seems a little odd to me...
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.04.06 17:11:00 - [7] Originally by: Elegant Why make scrams affect it? Isk sink? You know that the first ones out are going to be such targets. The fact that any frig with a med slot could lock one down seems a little odd to me... but the idea that you have to gank it before it can warp/jump to kill it seems odder, at least to me Win a Cerberus!! sigs of the 23/24/25 hijack just as well -eris yarrrr, i shall retake my sig -HippoKing Not a chance, our 1337 sig haXx0r sk1llz are too powerful! - Wrangler Ho-Ho-Hooooooo, Merry Saturday!11 - Immy Yo ho ho and a bottle of BReeEEEEeee.... - Jacques ARRRRRRchambault Stop spamming with "QFT" >:\|. - Teblin
Boonaki	Posted - 2006.04.06 17:13:00 - [8] Edited by: Boonaki on 06/04/2006 17:13:45 Originally by: lofty29 It can fit POS guns, nub Not Xlarge Weapons This Big dif in damage, they can only fit xlarge weapons. Fear the Ibis of doom.
Boonaki	Posted - 2006.04.06 17:15:00 - [9] Edited by: Boonaki on 06/04/2006 17:21:04 Originally by: HippoKing Originally by: Elegant Why make scrams affect it? Isk sink? You know that the first ones out are going to be such targets. The fact that any frig with a med slot could lock one down seems a little odd to me... but the idea that you have to gank it before it can warp/jump to kill it seems odder, at least to me You can prevent Titans and Motherships from warping with warp bubbles/warp probes. Fear the Ibis of doom.
Selak Zorander	Posted - 2006.04.06 17:22:00 - [10] Originally by: Boonaki Edited by: Boonaki on 06/04/2006 17:13:45 Originally by: lofty29 It can fit POS guns, nub Not Xlarge Weapons This Big dif in damage, they can only fit xlarge weapons. you mean like this
Boonaki	Posted - 2006.04.06 17:31:00 - [11] Originally by: Selak Zorander Originally by: Boonaki Edited by: Boonaki on 06/04/2006 17:13:45 Originally by: lofty29 It can fit POS guns, nub Not Xlarge Weapons This Big dif in damage, they can only fit xlarge weapons. you mean like this that lacks the following. missile damage bonus 2.5x velocity bonus 3x missile flight time bonus 4x ammo capacity 10000 Explosion Velocity Bonus -50% Fear the Ibis of doom.
lofty29	Posted - 2006.04.06 17:32:00 - [12] Originally by: Boonaki Originally by: Selak Zorander Originally by: Boonaki Edited by: Boonaki on 06/04/2006 17:13:45 Originally by: lofty29 It can fit POS guns, nub Not Xlarge Weapons This Big dif in damage, they can only fit xlarge weapons. you mean like this that lacks the following. missile damage bonus 2.5x velocity bonus 3x missile flight time bonus 4x ammo capacity 10000 Explosion Velocity Bonus -50% But with the titan, you get the players skills. --------------------------- Originally by: Oveur I see boobies! \o/
Valea Silpha	Posted - 2006.04.06 17:34:00 - [13] Edited by: Valea Silpha on 06/04/2006 17:34:24 Titans don't have problems atm if you ask me. They aren't meant to be combat ships in any capacity. They are meant to be akin to the 'craft worlds' of the WH40k universe. The idea is that you have a butt load of resources and equipment there, and it can defend itself to a limited extent, but its not really a military vessle. Its a home from home and they should be take-outable.
Boonaki	Posted - 2006.04.06 17:41:00 - [14] Originally by: lofty29 Originally by: Boonaki Originally by: Selak Zorander Originally by: Boonaki Edited by: Boonaki on 06/04/2006 17:13:45 Originally by: lofty29 It can fit POS guns, nub Not Xlarge Weapons This Big dif in damage, they can only fit xlarge weapons. you mean like this that lacks the following. missile damage bonus 2.5x velocity bonus 3x missile flight time bonus 4x ammo capacity 10000 Explosion Velocity Bonus -50% But with the titan, you get the players skills. Well, lets look at the guns... 42.5 x damage bonus on a large railgun battery. (Kill BS's quick) Small railgun battery 42.5 x damage bonus (kill frigates really quick) The reasoning behind it, is IMHO the titan should wtfpwn anything battleship or smaller, it should take cap ships to take one down. No one is going to put these things in a fleet fight as it stands now, ever... They'll sit at a pos or cloaked at a deep safe, decloak, sucide cyno frig, superweapon. That's it. If you could put POS guns and drop a 30 battleships it'll be worth investing a 100 billion. Fear the Ibis of doom.
Meridius	Posted - 2006.04.06 17:50:00 - [15] INTERDICTORS _ __
Elegant	Posted - 2006.04.06 18:00:00 - [16] Originally by: Meridius INTERDICTORS QFT You want a Titan on your killboard then you need to invest a little on your own. It should not be able to be crippled by a 2 day old alt.
Boonaki	Posted - 2006.04.06 18:08:00 - [17] If you read the post, you'll see where I say interdictor bubbles/warp bubbles will keep it from going to warp. The point of the post is, whoever trains for one of these is going to be doomed to taking care of it. Right now it's a logistics ship, it will be used to move fleets, jump clones, and move massive amounts of supplies to a POS. The only time it should ever see a hostile ship is if someone warps to the POS it's sitting at. If it ever comes within a 100k of a hostile ship outside of a pos, it will prob be dead. Fear the Ibis of doom.
Corphus	Posted - 2006.04.06 18:17:00 - [18] Originally by: Meridius INTERDICTORS this is the best post of this thread.
Hllaxiu	Posted - 2006.04.06 18:28:00 - [19] Originally by: Valea Silpha They aren't meant to be combat ships in any capacity. They are meant to be akin to the 'craft worlds' of the WH40k universe. Craft worlds are uh... slightly larger than titans. Also, I doubt that you'd take a craft world out without another eye of terror type incident. A craftworld would have literally thousands of seers onboard (and likely a farseer or three), I doubt you'd get anywhere near one without a bunch of guardians being called up to defend it... I mean, if things got really bad they'd just a webway to get out - a bit like a capital ship jumping but without any limitations... --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson
The Wizz117	Posted - 2006.04.06 18:52:00 - [20] the whole capital thing sucks i runed the whole pos thing and eco stuf. its just oh they come with 10-50 captial ships take over our station we just wait till they are gone and then well take it back. and pos are not even worth defending! the ships to defend it cost more then the pos itselve wich u can just haul expensive stuf out of it.
Arkanor	Posted - 2006.04.06 18:58:00 - [21] In order to make sense, anything able to scram/jam a titan would need to be massive (xlrg) in order to overcome the Titan's systems. Can you imagine how hard from a physics standpoint it would be to web something that large?
Elegant	Posted - 2006.04.06 19:51:00 - [22] Originally by: Boonaki If you read the post, you'll see where I say interdictor bubbles/warp bubbles will keep it from going to warp. The point of the post is, whoever trains for one of these is going to be doomed to taking care of it. Right now it's a logistics ship, it will be used to move fleets, jump clones, and move massive amounts of supplies to a POS. The only time it should ever see a hostile ship is if someone warps to the POS it's sitting at. If it ever comes within a 100k of a hostile ship outside of a pos, it will prob be dead. This is an awfully large gun for a logistics ship don't you think? You're right though, this isn't a frontline ship at all. But it is heavily associated with fleet battles and can't always have the luxury of a POS. It makes sense that something so expensive and so massive should require something more than basic modules to scram it.
Twilight Moon	Posted - 2006.04.06 21:38:00 - [23] Stop thinking of them as weapons of war.....start thinking of them as moderately aggressive campervans.
Izo Azlion	Posted - 2006.04.06 21:43:00 - [24] 1 titan fires its doomsday weapon and only catches a few ships, the pilots a nubbin. Enemy fleet comes in and scrams the titan with 40+points of scram. Owned. Apart from the defending fleet, but still.
Eximius Josari	Posted - 2006.04.06 21:51:00 - [25] If anything Titans need to be buffed into the mobile outposts they were promised to be. ~Victory is the weakness of the enemy. Industrial Giants
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.04.06 22:13:00 - [26] Originally by: Corphus Originally by: Meridius INTERDICTORS this is the best post of this thread. i agree. none of the others are pink Win a Cerberus!! sigs of the 23/24/25 hijack just as well -eris yarrrr, i shall retake my sig -HippoKing Not a chance, our 1337 sig haXx0r sk1llz are too powerful! - Wrangler Ho-Ho-Hooooooo, Merry Saturday!11 - Immy Yo ho ho and a bottle of BReeEEEEeee.... - Jacques ARRRRRRchambault Stop spamming with "QFT" >:\|. - Teblin
Shayla Sh'inlux	Posted - 2006.04.06 22:44:00 - [27] Why are you *****ing about a ship that nobody even has yet and of which no more than 10 will ever fly around on TQ?
AnxietyAttack	Posted - 2006.04.06 22:49:00 - [28] I recall in another post it was stated that interdictor bubbles do not affect its ability to warp away, it is totally immune to all form's of ebil messin malarky. Kiss it
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.04.06 22:51:00 - [29] Originally by: Boonaki Originally by: HippoKing Originally by: Elegant Why make scrams affect it? Isk sink? You know that the first ones out are going to be such targets. The fact that any frig with a med slot could lock one down seems a little odd to me... but the idea that you have to gank it before it can warp/jump to kill it seems odder, at least to me You can prevent Titans and Motherships from warping with warp bubbles/warp probes. i was arguing on your side here Win a Cerberus!! sigs of the 23/24/25 hijack just as well -eris yarrrr, i shall retake my sig -HippoKing Not a chance, our 1337 sig haXx0r sk1llz are too powerful! - Wrangler Ho-Ho-Hooooooo, Merry Saturday!11 - Immy Yo ho ho and a bottle of BReeEEEEeee.... - Jacques ARRRRRRchambault Stop spamming with "QFT" >:\|. - Teblin
ElCoCo	Posted - 2006.04.06 23:13:00 - [30] Originally by: Twilight Moon Stop thinking of them as weapons of war.....start thinking of them as moderately aggressive campervans. hahahaha
M3ta7h3ad	Posted - 2006.04.06 23:45:00 - [31] Originally by: Twilight Moon Stop thinking of them as weapons of war.....start thinking of them as moderately aggressive campervans. QFRoflage :D ----- If you kill all the wolves, your gonna end up with a crapload of bunnies, and by bunnies I mean stupid people Eve & Linux Woot!
Kunming	Posted - 2006.04.06 23:51:00 - [32] Well we have interdictors for a reason, and who ever cant efford one always has the option of a bumpageddon Website Kaos Empire Killboard
Evil Thug	Posted - 2006.04.07 00:44:00 - [33] Mass factor is fixed now. At least i think so. I tried to bump my carrier with tempest + mwd, and this didn`t affect it at all, while my tempie changed direction, and flew around 15km from carrier. ----------------------------------------------- Logged in a system, next to you =)
Malthros Zenobia	Posted - 2006.04.07 01:33:00 - [34] Originally by: Boonaki Nerf Make warp scrams and webs effect it. Just bump the damn thing with an inty. Or have someone bubble the damn thing. MS and Titans are affected by interdiction spheres iirc. Such massive ships should not be so easily countered. A Titan's jump/warp drive and engines are probably several times larger than a BS. that's abit too big to affect with a simple web or scram imo. But if you want to see a cool effect, web a station, one where you won't get popped (like a GE bonus war installation). Originally by: Dark Shikari Istvaan Shogaatsu's ego, when combined with a veldspar asteroid, would create 500 titans. Too bad he's never mined. RAWR!11 Sig Hijack!11 - Imaran
Malthros Zenobia	Posted - 2006.04.07 02:03:00 - [35] Originally by: Boonaki The reasoning behind it, is IMHO the titan should wtfpwn anything battleship or smaller, it should take cap ships to take one down. No it shouldn't. You want max firepower, you get a dread (in theory). Titans are not massive blob-killing machines, unless you pop them with the doomsday weapon that is. You can wtfpwn a BS or smaller with a Titan's abilities. Hell, you can wtfpwn a blob of 200 BSes, just how much power are you asking for? A BS is going to have less chance of killing a Titan than a frig has of killing a BS. Captial booster/repper and hardeners vs a BS, not even close. Sounds like you got your wish really. The Titan has the means to pwn an indefinite amount of ships, move an ENTIRE armada instantly (that'll be useful to move those massive dread groups as well I bet), clone jump people in for rapid deployment, give so many gang bonuses that not fitting warfare links on it would be a crime, and it's immune to ewar, and requires bubbles or interdiction sphers to keep from warping away. I wouldn't mind seeing them get more hp to reflect their 'station'ness, but they have all the firepower they need really. Complaining because they can't use POS guns to do as much/more damage as a dread in seige mode is a tad...excessive. Originally by: Dark Shikari Istvaan Shogaatsu's ego, when combined with a veldspar asteroid, would create 500 titans. Too bad he's never mined. RAWR!11 Sig Hijack!11 - Imaran
SargeMonkey	Posted - 2006.04.07 05:17:00 - [36] Originally by: Elegant Why make scrams affect it? Isk sink? You know that the first ones out are going to be such targets. The fact that any frig with a med slot could lock one down seems a little odd to me... Ya, ut it would take hours for frigs to KILL it. Its not like it is speedy anyway... 80 m/s... - - - - I can't spell, don't tell me I already know. Spellcheck:
Klurig	Posted - 2006.04.07 07:33:00 - [37] Has it even been confirmed that there are any titans built yet? Let alone in use? ----------------------------------------------- Every light creates shadows - klurig
Boonaki	Posted - 2006.04.07 07:55:00 - [38] Originally by: Klurig Has it even been confirmed that there are any titans built yet? Let alone in use? Rumors of a couple being built, my guess would be ASCN. 30 battleships will drop a titan in under 45 seconds. My only point of view is it should take cap ships to kill one. Imagine a Titan on Titan fight between two alliances, 50 battleships on each side, 10 dreads, and 20 carriers just going at it for 2 hours. It would be Epic. As it stands now, it would be battleships in the frontline, carriers at the pos, dreads at the pos, and guess where the titan would be, yep, the pos.... Not very epic. Fear the Ibis of doom.
aggiedog	Posted - 2006.04.07 08:37:00 - [39] I think anyone having one titan is crazy. You need to have 2 together so they both can fire there superweapons and clean up and dreads, tanked bs that are there. Problem solved. --------------------------------------------- Make Doomsday weapons available for frigates!
Boonaki	Posted - 2006.04.07 10:54:00 - [40] 150 bil between two pilots. Would be cool though to have 3, 2 to destroy all the ships, 1 to get all the pods. Fear the Ibis of doom.

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