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Luthar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.02.08 19:44:00 -
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Do you live in a C5/C6 Wormhole? Do you actively run Sites? Have you ever had difficulty figuring out how to pay your corp/alliance members after running these sites? If you answered yes I may have the solution you are looking for.
I have created a Spreadsheet specifically for the task of calculating fair payouts for your corp/alliance members who participate in your Wormhole PvE OPs. It takes less than 10 minutes to input the appropriate data. It gives an option for a corp tax and an administration fee for the director that gets the privilege of hauling the materials to HS to sell.
I will provide a link to this googledoc spreadsheet so you can copy it into your own google drive account and use it freely. If there are any questions on how to fully use it that the inserted notes do not cover please feel free to send me an in game mail. I will respond as soon as I can and if the same questions are asked numerous times I will make a FAQ to post here so it is easier to find the answer you are looking for. Also feel free to change the spreadsheet as you see fit as I admit to not knowing everything there is to know about making spreadsheets and I'm sure some of the formulas could be more streamlined and easier to manipulate.
Wormhold Payout Spreadsheet
If you love it, feel free to donate isk to this character. If you hate it, please leave constructive feedback on what you hate and how it could be changed. If this spreadsheet is already obsolete please disregard and continue to use your current method.
I appreciate any feedback you all may give. I hope this can help a few corps out there living in higher class WHs.
Cheers,
Luthar
P.S. This could potentially be used for C3 and C4 WHs, however the number of pilots required for these Sites is considerably less which makes the payout calculations much easier.
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Luthar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.02.08 19:44:00 -
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Reserved for future use |
Messoroz
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
484
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Posted - 2014.02.08 20:37:00 -
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What kind of horrible corp pays out based on ship types? God I feel sorry for the people in them |
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
878
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Posted - 2014.02.08 22:23:00 -
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I have removed a rule breaking post.
The rules:
5. Trolling is prohibited.
Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote.
ISD Ezwal
Commander
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department |
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Messoroz
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
484
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Posted - 2014.02.08 22:24:00 -
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ISD Ezwal wrote:I have removed a rule breaking post. The rules:5. Trolling is prohibited.
Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote.
How is it trolling to demand an explanation to a question I asked? I am trying to encourage space communism for the greater benefit of the community and you go shoot me down in the name of some imaginary community that doesn't like isk. |
ROSSLINDEN0
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
192
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Posted - 2014.02.08 23:31:00 -
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Messoroz wrote:ISD Ezwal wrote:I have removed a rule breaking post. The rules:5. Trolling is prohibited.
Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote. How is it trolling to demand an explanation to a question I asked? I am trying to encourage space communism for the greater benefit of the community and you go shoot me down in the name of some imaginary community that doesn't like isk.
Don't worry hes an ISD they don't know what they're talking about that's why they need to volunteer to do something "important" in eve |
xRyokenx
Boris Johnson's Love Children
Awakened.
335
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Posted - 2014.02.08 23:40:00 -
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ROSSLINDEN0 wrote:Messoroz wrote:ISD Ezwal wrote:I have removed a rule breaking post. The rules:5. Trolling is prohibited.
Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote. How is it trolling to demand an explanation to a question I asked? I am trying to encourage space communism for the greater benefit of the community and you go shoot me down in the name of some imaginary community that doesn't like isk. Don't worry hes an ISD they don't know what they're talking about that's why they need to volunteer to do something "important" in eve
Yep. Completely true.
xRyokenxFatal Ascension Rental Manager |
Winthorp
Sky Fighters
687
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Posted - 2014.02.09 00:25:00 -
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People still run escalations?
"You're doing it wrong"
I hope i too don't get ISD'd for disagreeing, but i am used to them deleting me now. 
(Insert witty signature here) |
Proclus Diadochu
Obstergo
Red Coat Conspiracy
861
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Posted - 2014.02.09 01:30:00 -
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This thread is stupid. OP, post this garbage on Reddit. This sub-forum is for civilized conversation.
Also, don't report my post for being "mean" or "disagreeing". Although if ISD really wanted to do something solid, they'd throw this waste in GD.
To clarify:
[x] Posted with alt
[x] Asked for feedback, then reports feedback as trolling when people disagree
[x] Posted with alt
[x] Dishonourable involvement of the forum five-oh
[x] who cares
[x] Also, posted with alt
Those are the primary reasons this thread is bad. Enjoy your feedback.
Wormhole Minister of High Society
Superior General | Order of Rob Minor
@autoritare | The Diogenes Club |
Tul Breetai
Impromptu Asset Requisition
Insurance Fraud.
649
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Posted - 2014.02.09 02:09:00 -
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/popcorn
There's nothing worse than an EVE player, generally considered to be top of the food chain in the MMO world, that cannot smacktalk with wit and coherency. |
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Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings
Situation: Normal
2021
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Posted - 2014.02.09 03:09:00 -
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Looks too complicated.
I've always been a fan of the "Jack" can method. I don't know if he came up with it but he always posted it.
Put loot in can. name can with particpants. Sell, % to corp (if needed), split. |
Messoroz
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
486
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Posted - 2014.02.09 04:57:00 -
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Luthar wrote:It seems the forum warriors are out in force. Not surprised tbh. I have removed my offer to share my spreadsheet now. As I stated originally 'constructive' criticism is always welcome. Flagrant inflammatory comments are not. I ask that the forum moderators lock and remove this thread now. Thanks for your time and good day.
It was constructive criticism on why is there a payout ratio for ship types with a legitimate inquiry for what kind of corporation would use such a system, so I may either (a) shoot them out of their misery and (b) never join them. It was entirely within the context of your thread as your spreadsheet brought up the question. |
Luthar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.02.09 05:08:00 -
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Messoroz wrote:Luthar wrote:It seems the forum warriors are out in force. Not surprised tbh. I have removed my offer to share my spreadsheet now. As I stated originally 'constructive' criticism is always welcome. Flagrant inflammatory comments are not. I ask that the forum moderators lock and remove this thread now. Thanks for your time and good day. It was constructive criticism on why is there a payout ratio for ship types with a legitimate inquiry for what kind of corporation would use such a system, so I may either (a) shoot them out of their misery and (b) never join them. It was entirely within the context of your thread as your spreadsheet brought up the question.
Actually your original statement was not a question at all, it was a very badly worded statement about how you claim the system to be flawed with no inquiry into why it was setup that way.
To give an answer anways, we ran into the situation where we would have players come in poorly fit BShips or T3s that didn't have the resists to even tank the sites properly. We had a solid group that would bring properly fit ships and we brain stormed together to come up with a system to actually compensate based on isk being risked on the field. Naturally that would mean the Dreads and Carriers were compensated more for their presence. The list of what was needed versus what was brought was created and we worked with it and fine tuned our numbers to make it fair. We all agreed on this system before we implemented it and it works well for us.
No matter how you try to reason it, a Dread or Faction Bship should always receive more payout than someone showing up in a Meta 1-4 fit Megathron. This Socialistic ideal that everyone pulls out an even share when everyone contributes disproportionately just doesn't work long term. You get paid based on ability. |
Messoroz
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
486
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Posted - 2014.02.09 05:15:00 -
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Luthar wrote:Messoroz wrote:Luthar wrote:It seems the forum warriors are out in force. Not surprised tbh. I have removed my offer to share my spreadsheet now. As I stated originally 'constructive' criticism is always welcome. Flagrant inflammatory comments are not. I ask that the forum moderators lock and remove this thread now. Thanks for your time and good day. It was constructive criticism on why is there a payout ratio for ship types with a legitimate inquiry for what kind of corporation would use such a system, so I may either (a) shoot them out of their misery and (b) never join them. It was entirely within the context of your thread as your spreadsheet brought up the question. Actually your original statement was not a question at all, it was a very badly worded statement about how you claim the system to be flawed with no inquiry into why it was setup that way. To give an answer anways, we ran into the situation where we would have players come in poorly fit BShips or T3s that didn't have the resists to even tank the sites properly. We had a solid group that would bring properly fit ships and we brain stormed together to come up with a system to actually compensate based on isk being risked on the field. Naturally that would mean the Dreads and Carriers were compensated more for their presence. The list of what was needed versus what was brought was created and we worked with it and fine tuned our numbers to make it fair. We all agreed on this system before we implemented it and it works well for us. No matter how you try to reason it, a Dread or Faction Bship should always receive more payout than someone showing up in a Meta 1-4 fit Megathron. This Socialistic ideal that everyone pulls out an even share when everyone contributes disproportionately just doesn't work long term. You get paid based on ability.
You see, that's a properly worded statement instead of batphoning ISD.
Quote:This Socialistic ideal that everyone pulls out an even share when everyone contributes disproportionately just doesn't work long term.
Why not? You make boatloads of isk in wspace, unless everyone is trying to deadspace fit their falcons, isk all around! |
Luthar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.02.09 05:19:00 -
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A difference of ideals I suppose. |
Gnaw LF
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
603
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Posted - 2014.02.09 05:41:00 -
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Luthar wrote:A difference of ideals I suppose.
While I respect your opinion I have to say any corp, alliance or group that relies on this spreadsheet or some sort of ratio system in order to insure that their members show up in proper ships is a corp/group doomed to fail. Just have your CEO tell people to proper fit their ships or GTFO. |
Luthar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.02.09 05:51:00 -
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Either way it doesn't really matter as those who have it now can keep it and do what they want with it. I figured I would attempt to offer something that could be useful for those that may need it. Obviously those that have strong opinions on this matter are highly respectable WH corps/alliances and its not worth my time nor yours to hash out why or how to develop a payout system. It works for us, yours works for yourselves. If I ever joined one of your corps I wouldn't have an issue using whatever system you currently use as I'm sure you have proven it to work within your own group[s].
I am withdrawing my topic and still wish for this thread to be locked and or deleted from existence as it doesn't seem to be an issue for most WH dwellers. Sorry to waste everyones time. |
TXG SYNC
Outer Ring Sleeper Collective
Illusion of Solitude
33
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Posted - 2014.02.09 05:55:00 -
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I'm gonna disagree with Gnaw here. We have a shares system that works out well for us in a very straightforward fashion, based on risk and investment.
If a player is flying a Dread, Carrier, or Loki he or she is entitled to a share.
If that player is flying a Dread or Carrier and has not yet earned his/her first 4Bn from escalations, he/she is entitled to a double share until the first 4Bn is earned.
Overwatch, Salvage, and Jams each get half a share.
Anybody who shows up in a doctrine PvP ship and ready to fight shares half a share with anyone else who's online and in the wormhole we're escalating.
The values are really easy to plug in, are per site, and it goes really smoothly once we worked it out. I particularly like that we reward those we're inconveniencing while we have the system on "lockdown" (no in/out traffic, no scanning/warping to holes, overwatch watching for new ship sigs, etc.) with half a share. You get paid for cracking jokes on Teamspeak and flying a PvP ship to any new holes that spawn in system. |
Glyndi
Doom Generation
THE H0NEYBADGER
149
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Posted - 2014.02.09 06:06:00 -
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equal payouts for all participants....no spreadsheet needed |
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