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Roxanna Kell
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Posted - 2006.04.06 21:12:00 -
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Hawk - Its going to be a missile assault ship. Its gettting 4 missile hardpoints, the launcher rate of fire bonus changed to a 5% kinetic missile damage and the hybrid optimal changed to either missile velocity or missile damage. As it is now both bonuses are damage.
seriously if this is goign to happen, i may just not use a crow anymore when i need a frig, and i ll get my stnadard missile specialisation and assaul ship to 5.
that will give me a bit of a break fromt the cerberus.
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CardboardSword42
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Posted - 2006.04.06 21:17:00 -
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4 LOM
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Posted - 2006.04.06 21:30:00 -
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Originally by: Roxanna Kell
Quote:
Hawk - Its going to be a missile assault ship. Its gettting 4 missile hardpoints, the launcher rate of fire bonus changed to a 5% kinetic missile damage and the hybrid optimal changed to either missile velocity or missile damage. As it is now both bonuses are damage.
seriously if this is goign to happen, i may just not use a crow anymore when i need a frig, and i ll get my stnadard missile specialisation and assaul ship to 5.
that will give me a bit of a break fromt the cerberus.
Yes, and its about time. oh and all frigs are not the same. if you think the hawk will be better then the crow, thats your opinion. i myself like going hella fast with a small sig radius. this will not replaced the crow, not sure how you think it will. you still see taraniss out there even though the enyo has more turret points and even a launcher point.
But i guess you just dont understand the speed and size stats. thats ok, but you are in the minority, the crow will still be a very popular ship.
This will make the hawk usable, i know i will fly one. but i will still fly crows alot.
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Darpz
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Posted - 2006.04.06 21:37:00 -
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Originally by: 4 LOM
Originally by: Roxanna Kell
Quote:
Hawk - Its going to be a missile assault ship. Its gettting 4 missile hardpoints, the launcher rate of fire bonus changed to a 5% kinetic missile damage and the hybrid optimal changed to either missile velocity or missile damage. As it is now both bonuses are damage.
seriously if this is goign to happen, i may just not use a crow anymore when i need a frig, and i ll get my stnadard missile specialisation and assaul ship to 5.
that will give me a bit of a break fromt the cerberus.
Yes, and its about time. oh and all frigs are not the same. if you think the hawk will be better then the crow, thats your opinion. i myself like going hella fast with a small sig radius. this will not replaced the crow, not sure how you think it will. you still see taraniss out there even though the enyo has more turret points and even a launcher point.
But i guess you just dont understand the speed and size stats. thats ok, but you are in the minority, the crow will still be a very popular ship.
This will make the hawk usable, i know i will fly one. but i will still fly crows alot.
thats because a ranis actually outdamages a enyo, same won't be true for the hawk <-> crow comparison
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Roxanna Kell
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Posted - 2006.04.06 21:47:00 -
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Originally by: 4 LOM
Originally by: Roxanna Kell
Quote:
Hawk - Its going to be a missile assault ship. Its gettting 4 missile hardpoints, the launcher rate of fire bonus changed to a 5% kinetic missile damage and the hybrid optimal changed to either missile velocity or missile damage. As it is now both bonuses are damage.
seriously if this is goign to happen, i may just not use a crow anymore when i need a frig, and i ll get my stnadard missile specialisation and assaul ship to 5.
that will give me a bit of a break fromt the cerberus.
Yes, and its about time. oh and all frigs are not the same. if you think the hawk will be better then the crow, thats your opinion. i myself like going hella fast with a small sig radius. this will not replaced the crow, not sure how you think it will. you still see taraniss out there even though the enyo has more turret points and even a launcher point.
But i guess you just dont understand the speed and size stats. thats ok, but you are in the minority, the crow will still be a very popular ship.
This will make the hawk usable, i know i will fly one. but i will still fly crows alot.
are you serious?
reason is i like assautl ships for anti frig set up, and thats why im happy with the new changes, i hate guns, crow is a fine ship, i just want a high dmg frig. with nice tank.
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Jennifae
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Posted - 2006.04.06 21:50:00 -
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buy hawks now! before the price goes up :p
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4 LOM
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Posted - 2006.04.06 21:52:00 -
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Originally by: Darpz
Originally by: 4 LOM
Originally by: Roxanna Kell
Quote:
Hawk - Its going to be a missile assault ship. Its gettting 4 missile hardpoints, the launcher rate of fire bonus changed to a 5% kinetic missile damage and the hybrid optimal changed to either missile velocity or missile damage. As it is now both bonuses are damage.
seriously if this is goign to happen, i may just not use a crow anymore when i need a frig, and i ll get my stnadard missile specialisation and assaul ship to 5.
that will give me a bit of a break fromt the cerberus.
Yes, and its about time. oh and all frigs are not the same. if you think the hawk will be better then the crow, thats your opinion. i myself like going hella fast with a small sig radius. this will not replaced the crow, not sure how you think it will. you still see taraniss out there even though the enyo has more turret points and even a launcher point.
But i guess you just dont understand the speed and size stats. thats ok, but you are in the minority, the crow will still be a very popular ship.
This will make the hawk usable, i know i will fly one. but i will still fly crows alot.
thats because a ranis actually outdamages a enyo, same won't be true for the hawk <-> crow comparison
I dont fly either the taranis or enyo, so i dont have practical experiance. but just looking at the stats i dont see how a ranis could out damage an enyo.
Enyo (just damage stats)
4x turret
1x launcher
25% damage bonus to turrets
Ranis
3x turret
50% bonus to damage.
Even if you neglect the launcher. 4x turrets with a 25% damage increase do more damage then 3x turrets with a 50% increase. Then add on the tracking speed bonus of the enyo, (helps with damage).
Can you please explain how the ranis out damages the enyo? i am training a gallenty alt right now and am very curious on how that works. I am not calling you a liar i just dont understand and would like it to be explained to me. thanks.
I am well aware how off topic this is.. and am sorry to the original poster for going so far off topic.
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.04.06 22:10:00 -
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Originally by: Jennifae
buy hawks now! before the price goes up :p
too late 
Win a Cerberus!!
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Securus
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Posted - 2006.04.06 22:50:00 -
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Originally by: HippoKing
Originally by: Jennifae
buy hawks now! before the price goes up :p
too late
You hope 
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Benglada
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Posted - 2006.04.06 23:23:00 -
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Originally by: HippoKing
Originally by: Jennifae
buy hawks now! before the price goes up :p
too late
/'' i tried to buy 15 hawks when i heard about the boost....someone covoed me saying"Yah i got 15, 30m each" I cried.
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Originally by: Wrangler
Unfrtinately you dnot get to vote.. 
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Berkshire Hathaway
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Posted - 2006.04.07 00:02:00 -
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Hopefully the ship changes will also come in with the R&D changes, lowering prices across the board.
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Grimpak
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Posted - 2006.04.07 00:13:00 -
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Originally by: 4 LOM
Originally by: Darpz
Originally by: 4 LOM
Originally by: Roxanna Kell
Quote:
Hawk - Its going to be a missile assault ship. Its gettting 4 missile hardpoints, the launcher rate of fire bonus changed to a 5% kinetic missile damage and the hybrid optimal changed to either missile velocity or missile damage. As it is now both bonuses are damage.
seriously if this is goign to happen, i may just not use a crow anymore when i need a frig, and i ll get my stnadard missile specialisation and assaul ship to 5.
that will give me a bit of a break fromt the cerberus.
Yes, and its about time. oh and all frigs are not the same. if you think the hawk will be better then the crow, thats your opinion. i myself like going hella fast with a small sig radius. this will not replaced the crow, not sure how you think it will. you still see taraniss out there even though the enyo has more turret points and even a launcher point.
But i guess you just dont understand the speed and size stats. thats ok, but you are in the minority, the crow will still be a very popular ship.
This will make the hawk usable, i know i will fly one. but i will still fly crows alot.
thats because a ranis actually outdamages a enyo, same won't be true for the hawk <-> crow comparison
I dont fly either the taranis or enyo, so i dont have practical experiance. but just looking at the stats i dont see how a ranis could out damage an enyo.
Enyo (just damage stats)
4x turret
1x launcher
25% damage bonus to turrets
Ranis
3x turret
50% bonus to damage.
Even if you neglect the launcher. 4x turrets with a 25% damage increase do more damage then 3x turrets with a 50% increase. Then add on the tracking speed bonus of the enyo, (helps with damage).
Can you please explain how the ranis out damages the enyo? i am training a gallenty alt right now and am very curious on how that works. I am not calling you a liar i just dont understand and would like it to be explained to me. thanks.
I am well aware how off topic this is.. and am sorry to the original poster for going so far off topic.
euhm.. no =|
3 turrets + 50% dmg = 4 turrets + 25% damage afaik.
and if you want to compare how intys outdamage Afrigs, try comparing crusader to retribution
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Mallik Hendrake
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Posted - 2006.04.07 00:16:00 -
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3 * 1.5 == 4.5
4 * 1.25 == 5
5th grade math 4tw.
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4 LOM
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Posted - 2006.04.07 00:41:00 -
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Originally by: Mallik Hendrake
3 * 1.5 == 4.5
4 * 1.25 == 5
5th grade math 4tw.
Thats what my math showed, well i am gona asume i am right that a enyo out damages a ranis... till the person who said they did do more damage actually explains why.
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Zekk Pacus
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Posted - 2006.04.07 00:53:00 -
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Originally by: Jennifae
buy hawks now! before the price goes up :p
Way too late. I ordered a bunch off NAGA when I first heard about the changes. NAGA's price has already gone up 5mill and the escrow only came through today...
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IamBen
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Posted - 2006.04.07 01:07:00 -
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a hawk with a ten percent bonus to kinetic damage is going to suck really bad. Tech 2 150's and the ability to choose your damage is way more powerful. I was excited at first about this, but ten percent bonus to damage with a super slow rof that comes even with t2 standard is not going to have near the dps as the current hawk.
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Kitana6
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Posted - 2006.04.07 01:17:00 -
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is there an official link or name of dev to that quote or is the an eve version of a wall street 'pump & dump' rumor?
just checking... 
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Hel Kali
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Posted - 2006.04.07 01:19:00 -
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yes !!! cool
The hawk's look is soo sexy , and now it'll be a mini cerb :p
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2006.04.07 01:22:00 -
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Originally by: Roxanna Kell
Quote:
Hawk - Its going to be a missile assault ship. Its gettting 4 missile hardpoints, the launcher rate of fire bonus changed to a 5% kinetic missile damage and the hybrid optimal changed to either missile velocity or missile damage. As it is now both bonuses are damage.
seriously if this is goign to happen, i may just not use a crow anymore when i need a frig, and i ll get my stnadard missile specialisation and assaul ship to 5.
that will give me a bit of a break fromt the cerberus.
And now you know why Hawk prices jumped a couple weeks ago.
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Istvaan Shogaatsu's ego, when combined with a veldspar asteroid, would create 500 titans. Too bad he's never mined.
RAWR!11 Sig Hijack!11 - Imaran |
Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2006.04.07 01:25:00 -
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Originally by: Securus
Originally by: HippoKing
Originally by: Jennifae
buy hawks now! before the price goes up :p
too late
You hope
There is no hope, only know.
Hawk prices jumped to Harpy level right after the fix was announced. It was going up slowly before that too because people knew a fix of some sort was coming.
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Istvaan Shogaatsu's ego, when combined with a veldspar asteroid, would create 500 titans. Too bad he's never mined.
RAWR!11 Sig Hijack!11 - Imaran |
Zysco
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Posted - 2006.04.07 01:29:00 -
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Originally by: 4 LOM
Originally by: Mallik Hendrake
3 * 1.5 == 4.5
4 * 1.25 == 5
5th grade math 4tw.
Thats what my math showed, well i am gona asume i am right that a enyo out damages a ranis... till the person who said they did do more damage actually explains why.
gankranis outdamaged gankenyo by 3 or 4 dps. And the gankranis setup is actually viable while the gankenyo is not, at all.
Originally by: Ginger Magician
I have the fingerspeed of a teenager the brains of a rocket scientist and the tactical nous of a 5 star general.
Why do u think I'm so freaking good?
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4 LOM
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Posted - 2006.04.07 01:58:00 -
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Originally by: Kitana6
is there an official link or name of dev to that quote or is the an eve version of a wall street 'pump & dump' rumor?
just checking...
Check the top sticky in the ships/modulas forum
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Kitana6
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Posted - 2006.04.07 03:26:00 -
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Originally by: 4 LOM
Originally by: Kitana6
is there an official link or name of dev to that quote or is the an eve version of a wall street 'pump & dump' rumor?
just checking...
Check the top sticky in the ships/modulas forum
kewl, thx! 
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Foulis
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Posted - 2006.04.07 04:09:00 -
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Originally by: Zysco
Edited by: Zysco on 07/04/2006 01:43:43
Originally by: 4 LOM
Originally by: Mallik Hendrake
3 * 1.5 == 4.5
4 * 1.25 == 5
5th grade math 4tw.
Thats what my math showed, well i am gona asume i am right that a enyo out damages a ranis... till the person who said they did do more damage actually explains why.
Enyo:
4 light neutron IIs
named mwd, web
2 mag stab IIs 2 cap relays
1 hobgoblin II
Taranis
3 light neutron IIs
named mwd, 1 langour 1 x5
2 mag stabs, 1 micro aux
2 hobgoblin IIs
Taranis > enyo
What? That shows that the Enyo does more damage than the Taranis. Yes, your sooo clever, everyone knows the taranis three mids make it a better overall ship. That isn't the arguement though.
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Zysco
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Posted - 2006.04.07 05:57:00 -
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Edited by: Zysco on 07/04/2006 06:04:38
Edited by: Zysco on 07/04/2006 06:04:11
Originally by: Foulis
Originally by: Zysco
Edited by: Zysco on 07/04/2006 01:43:43
Originally by: 4 LOM
Originally by: Mallik Hendrake
3 * 1.5 == 4.5
4 * 1.25 == 5
5th grade math 4tw.
Thats what my math showed, well i am gona asume i am right that a enyo out damages a ranis... till the person who said they did do more damage actually explains why.
Enyo:
4 light neutron IIs
named mwd, web
2 mag stab IIs 2 cap relays
1 hobgoblin II
Taranis
3 light neutron IIs
named mwd, 1 langour 1 x5
2 mag stabs, 1 micro aux
2 hobgoblin IIs
Taranis > enyo
What? That shows that the Enyo does more damage than the Taranis. Yes, your sooo clever, everyone knows the taranis three mids make it a better overall ship. That isn't the arguement though.
No, it doesnt.
Taranis: 268.716
enyo: 259.853.
Originally by: Ginger Magician
I have the fingerspeed of a teenager the brains of a rocket scientist and the tactical nous of a 5 star general.
Why do u think I'm so freaking good?
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Grimpak
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Posted - 2006.04.07 10:30:00 -
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Originally by: Mallik Hendrake
3 * 1.5 == 4.5
4 * 1.25 == 5
5th grade math 4tw.
I'm bad at numbers
but you're comparing the 2 most damaging ships in each class btw.
..try to compare other ships.
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Originally by: Abdalion
Shoot him ingame if you don't like this person. If you do like him, go mine veldspar with him.
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.04.07 10:41:00 -
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Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 07/04/2006 10:41:37
Hawks can not and will never cannibalise Crows. One is slow moving *assault* frigate. The other is a quick response *intercepting* frigate.
Assault, small gang warfare.
Interceptors, mid-size to large gang warfare.
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Securus
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Posted - 2006.04.07 10:41:00 -
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Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
Originally by: Securus
Originally by: HippoKing
Originally by: Jennifae
buy hawks now! before the price goes up :p
too late
You hope
There is no hope, only know.
Hawk prices jumped to Harpy level right after the fix was announced. It was going up slowly before that too because people knew a fix of some sort was coming.
Seriously, I think prices will go much higher, if the T2 situation remains the same. There are probably loads of people that have no idea it will change, until it does.
If you take into account the popularity of missiles, the ease of flying an AF and the growing demand, it could become a very expensive ship indeed. You see something similar in the price of Field Command ships, very nice ships, but they can cost less than a HAC due to low, current, demand.
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welsh wizard
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Posted - 2006.04.07 11:36:00 -
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Edited by: welsh wizard on 07/04/2006 11:41:03
Originally by: Zysco
Edited by: Zysco on 07/04/2006 06:07:21
Originally by: Foulis
Originally by: Zysco
Edited by: Zysco on 07/04/2006 01:43:43
Originally by: 4 LOM
Originally by: Mallik Hendrake
3 * 1.5 == 4.5
4 * 1.25 == 5
5th grade math 4tw.
Thats what my math showed, well i am gona asume i am right that a enyo out damages a ranis... till the person who said they did do more damage actually explains why.
Enyo:
4 light neutron IIs
named mwd, web
2 mag stab IIs 2 cap relays
1 hobgoblin II
Taranis
3 light neutron IIs
named mwd, 1 langour 1 x5
2 mag stabs, 1 micro aux
2 hobgoblin IIs
Taranis > enyo
What? That shows that the Enyo does more damage than the Taranis. Yes, your sooo clever, everyone knows the taranis three mids make it a better overall ship. That isn't the arguement though.
No, it doesnt.
Taranis: 268.716
enyo: 259.853.
And yes, I am sooo clever. Thanks for the complement.
That doesn't make sense.
Edit: actually i prolly shouldn't get involved as I don't fly Gallente but its just maths at the end of the day dude.
4 guns + 25% damage bonus + launcher = more dps then 3 guns + 50% damage bonus
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Zysco
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Posted - 2006.04.07 15:49:00 -
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Originally by: welsh wizard
That doesn't make sense.
Edit: actually i prolly shouldn't get involved as I don't fly Gallente but its just maths at the end of the day dude.
4 guns + 25% damage bonus + launcher = more dps then 3 guns + 50% damage bonus
...You cant fit a launcher on an enyo in a gank setup. You dont have enough cpu. And a taranis has more more t2 light drone. Do the math yourself.
Originally by: Ginger Magician
I have the fingerspeed of a teenager the brains of a rocket scientist and the tactical nous of a 5 star general.
Why do u think I'm so freaking good?
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