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Eudoxus
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Posted - 2006.04.07 06:31:00 -
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Hi all,
Seeing a couple stealth bomber threads got me thinking about whether the FR can be used in this role effectively. For example, how reasonable is it to try and fit out a Hugin (minmater FR with 3 launcher and 3 turret) with 3 cruises in the highs, a proto cloak to hide with in high, some boosters and stuff in mids and ballistic control units in lows to have a cruiser sized bomber?
I suspect that, much like the conventional bomber this works in theory but in practice is vastly too expensive vs the value of the ships it can take out. For example, if it can take out interceptors worth say 20mm but costs 140mm to fit out it is a tough to justify expense vs value of prey proposition. I know on killboards a force recon is also a huge hit if you lose one - I believe in my alliance it 'costs' 120 points to lose one while popping frigs and cruisers are worth 2-3 points and 10 for an interceptor. I need to pop a lot of interceptors with relative ease to justify using this type of ship in that type of role.
Any thoughts most welcome before I train up and drop the loot on one of these.
Regards,
Eudoxus
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Antiochus
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Posted - 2006.04.07 07:09:00 -
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I think the biggest problem you will have is fitting cruise launchers on it. Stealth bomber has bonuses to reduce fitting on cruise launchers, recons ships do not.
"Minmatar Frigate Skill Bonus: 19.65% reduction in Cruise Launcher powergrid needs and 5% bonus to Small Projectile Turret damage per level."
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Eudoxus
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Posted - 2006.04.07 07:21:00 -
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Ouch, yup, missed that point. Cruise uses 1250 grid each - more than the whole ship has. So much for that plan. Not sure if 3 of rocket launchers + 3 of railguns is ever going to provide enough damage output to make a Hugin an effective alpha striker then, even against small ships.
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Testy Mctest
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Posted - 2006.04.07 07:38:00 -
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3x 280mm II
3x Heavy Launchers w/ Precision
That's an alpha strike against frigates if that's all you want.
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Eudoxus
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Posted - 2006.04.07 08:21:00 -
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Ok, I can pop a frig. How about can I pop a cruiser? Or an interceptor more relevantly given the 'taranis' mania that seems to be prevelant in 0.0 to me.
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Max Teranous
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Posted - 2006.04.07 08:23:00 -
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Rather than the Huginn, use the Rapier which can fit the Cov Op's clock. You can fit 3 x 720mm II comfortably, use 2 x webs and a target painter and you'll murder frigs. You can also warp clocked and all that biz.
Max 
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.04.07 08:44:00 -
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if 2 pilgrims uncloaked on me (or one and a falcon), i'd **** bricks
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Elve Sorrow
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Posted - 2006.04.07 08:50:00 -
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Edited by: Elve Sorrow on 07/04/2006 08:50:18
Pilgrim's are **** though. Even with lvl5 Drone skills i can outdamage it with my Crusader.
'Course thats irrelevant because you wont have cap, but thats not the point im trying to make.
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samuel222
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Posted - 2006.04.07 09:18:00 -
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 recon ships can warp cloaked?
guess i missed that in the blog
if so i'm getting one
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Max Teranous
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Posted - 2006.04.07 09:26:00 -
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The ones with the cov-ops cloak bonus can, so for example the pilgrim & rapier can if they fit it. The curse and huginn don't have the bonus to fit it, so can't.
It's pretty balanced, as the ones that can use the cloak are not nearly as powerful as the ones that can't.
Max
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Eudoxus
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Posted - 2006.04.07 09:29:00 -
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Well the reasons for me thinking the Hugin over the Rapier:
1) it is about 40mm isk cheaper
2) more slots for pounding with - 6 highs vs 4
3) not being able to fit the covops saves another 25mm isk
So for a gank ship it is better assuming sitting at a gate waiting for easy prey. The value of warping while cloaked is a lot lower under that kind of scenario. Personally, I have flown a covops for a long while now and although it is indeed very convenient to be warping while cloaked the most important ability is just being able to cloak at all.
I guess if you envision for support on ewar front the rapier would be great. I guess if you think you will sneak up on people in belts the rapier would be great. But if you are solo or in small group I am thinking I want more firepower from the surprise decloak than the support role the rapier would provide. And sneaking up on people in belts - people ratting in 0.0 are in rat optimized battleships; you aint taking one of those out with either ship so who would care about sneaking up on them in the first place.
But in groups I can see the rapier being better. Heck, a Rapier AND a Hugin would be nice in a group - firepower and support.
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Testy Mctest
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Posted - 2006.04.07 09:36:00 -
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Any frigate that wants to try fighting a Huginn should die horribly really. If you want to mount real guns for some actual cruiser DPS, do so. Then throw in a couple of webs and painters. With the bonuses and such, once you have an inty painted/webbed it should pretty much die in a volley or so.
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Joerd Toastius
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Posted - 2006.04.07 09:42:00 -
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Why not just use a cloaked Raven and be done with it?
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Eudoxus
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Posted - 2006.04.07 09:55:00 -
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Yea, was thinking just throw a cloak on something else as an avenue as well. As per Ravens, well just too many of them around so seems too much of the 'me too' type ship. I don't doubt they are effective, just seems to common and hence a bit on the boring side to use if you know what I mean. The road most travelled is not necessarily the most interesting.
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Testy Mctest
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Posted - 2006.04.07 09:57:00 -
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 Originally by: Eudoxus
The road most travelled is not necessarily the most interesting.
Yup. Fly a Bellicose, they're certainly interesting :P
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babylonstew
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Posted - 2006.04.07 10:42:00 -
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how you going to gank anything when you sit there for 20 secs twiddling your thumbs waiting for the sensor recailbration on anything but a stealth and recon?
decloak, and watch as your target giggles at you for 15 secs then warps away?
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Eudoxus
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Posted - 2006.04.07 11:44:00 -
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Ah, excellent point on the sensor recalibration! So, no Raven (or whatever) stealth bombers...which is fine by me really. It is tough enough as it is with no recalibration - 20 seconds as you say might as well break out the knitting.
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Rex Martell
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Posted - 2006.04.07 13:26:00 -
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Sesor recalibration is only 6 sec's
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xenorx
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Posted - 2006.04.07 20:07:00 -
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Originally by: Rex Martell
Sesor recalibration is only 6 sec's
Thats true if you are using a Covert opps cloak only. Any other kind of cloak takes far longer
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