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Levina Windstar Mekalon Industry 0	Posted - 2014.02.09 22:11:00 - [1] - Quote Hi everyone, Me and my friend are thinking about moving into a C4 soon (currently living in a C3 with drakes while learning SP for the tengu). I was thinking about 2 tengus with both a RR sheild for the C4. Is this a good idea? What fitting you guys would recommand? Thanks for the help.
Icarus Able Revenant Tactical 338	Posted - 2014.02.10 05:52:00 - [2] - Quote This is a terrible idea. Can it be done? Yes probably with enough bling on the tengus. But you will make more money from running the sites in a c3 due to the extra time a c4 will take.
Tasiv Deka End-of-Line 202	Posted - 2014.02.10 06:17:00 - [3] - Quote 2 tengus can run them (with bling) 3 will be safer and more efficient. You actually can make a fair amount of Isk running c4s with a proper setup (used to live in one) You could also just run two RR Rattlesnakes and be fine. Oh, Do go on... no seriously ive got nothing better to do then listen to all the petty arguments and feeble trolling attempts...-á The sad thing is i'm not sure if i'm telling the truth.
Peter Moonlight Direwolf-Rayet skylian Verge 52	Posted - 2014.02.10 10:28:00 - [4] - Quote Tasiv Deka wrote: 2 tengus can run them (with bling) 3 will be safer and more efficient. You actually can make a fair amount of Isk running c4s with a proper setup (used to live in one) You could also just run two RR Rattlesnakes and be fine. 1 Tengu, semi-blinked can run it. 2 Tengus can run it T2/Meta4 without any issues at all.
Georgia Aguilar Anomalous Existence Surely You're Joking 0	Posted - 2014.02.10 10:57:00 - [5] - Quote If you are happy in your C3, stay there (static, PI, etc.). If you must move to a C4, two rr tengus can do the sites (semi bling), BUT it will be quite a bit slower than the C3 sites and thus your ISK / hour will go down a bit. To really optimally run C4 sites, i recommend 3 RR Sentry Rattlers. Your mileage may vary... G
Levina Windstar Mekalon Industry 0	Posted - 2014.02.10 15:15:00 - [6] - Quote Well, for now we live in a C3 NS static. Me and one of my friend can fully fit a drake T2 and we can duo this without problem. Thing is that 3 other friends joined us and they can all fly a drake too with T1 fit and some T2. Since we are getting bigger, sometimes we have nothing to do in our wormhole so that's why we were considering moving into a C4 with C3 static in few weeks if doable. We are leaning tengu cause it is a nice relativly "cheap" and versatile ship to use in a wormhole but I was wandering is it's still usable to duo a C4 with some drakes or we should aim for another ship instead?
Derath Ellecon Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal 2024	Posted - 2014.02.10 16:01:00 - [7] - Quote Levina Windstar wrote: Well, for now we live in a C3 NS static. Me and one of my friend can fully fit a drake T2 and we can duo this without problem. Thing is that 3 other friends joined us and they can all fly a drake too with T1 fit and some T2. Since we are getting bigger, sometimes we have nothing to do in our wormhole so that's why we were considering moving into a C4 with C3 static in few weeks if doable. We are leaning tengu cause it is a nice relativly "cheap" and versatile ship to use in a wormhole but I was wandering is it's still usable to duo a C4 with some drakes or we should aim for another ship instead? Tengu's will work, but lately RR Domi's seem to be all the rage.
dan skirata Rolling Static Gone Critical 5	Posted - 2014.02.10 16:21:00 - [8] - Quote Levina Windstar wrote: Well, for now we live in a C3 NS static. Me and one of my friend can fully fit a drake T2 and we can duo this without problem. Thing is that 3 other friends joined us and they can all fly a drake too with T1 fit and some T2. Since we are getting bigger, sometimes we have nothing to do in our wormhole so that's why we were considering moving into a C4 with C3 static in few weeks if doable. We are leaning tengu cause it is a nice relativly "cheap" and versatile ship to use in a wormhole but I was wandering is it's still usable to duo a C4 with some drakes or we should aim for another ship instead? I would recommend that if you do move to the C4, use the C3 static sites for running and leave the C4 sites till you guys are more skilled and have a few more guys. I currently live in a c4 with static c3 with my corp and I love it. Make sure you guys all have a BS or 1 person has an orca to roll the static though if you empty it before its lifetime ends.
calaretu Honestly We didnt know Surely You're Joking 55	Posted - 2014.02.10 17:56:00 - [9] - Quote Or just move to a 4-4 and marauder sites all day
Derath Ellecon Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal 2024	Posted - 2014.02.10 18:02:00 - [10] - Quote calaretu wrote: Or just move to a 4-4 and marauder sites all day Yea cause if they have pilots flying mostly T2 fitted drakes at the moment so they are gonna be able to hop in marauders in no time
dan skirata Rolling Static Gone Critical 5	Posted - 2014.02.10 18:13:00 - [11] - Quote Derath Ellecon wrote: calaretu wrote: Or just move to a 4-4 and marauder sites all day Yea cause if they have pilots flying mostly T2 fitted drakes at the moment so they are gonna be able to hop in marauders in no time Exactly
calaretu Honestly We didnt know Surely You're Joking 55	Posted - 2014.02.10 18:23:00 - [12] - Quote It only takes a few weeks to train. Surely thats not too much to ask :D
Angsty Teenager Broski North Black Legion. 236	Posted - 2014.02.10 18:35:00 - [13] - Quote calaretu wrote: It only takes a few weeks to train. Surely thats not too much to ask :D Or a few weeks to buy a pilot, even at c4 income...
Levina Windstar Mekalon Industry 0	Posted - 2014.02.10 19:27:00 - [14] - Quote calaretu wrote: Or just move to a 4-4 and marauder sites all day Yeah we would like to have marauders and we will one day, but it's really a long term plan just to fly it and fitting those beasts
Alundil Sky Fighters 395	Posted - 2014.02.10 19:40:00 - [15] - Quote You've gotten good info thus far. Blingy tengus. We used to run a lot of C4 sites in my previous alliance with 3 RR Tengus (might get ugly if someone isn't paying attention - and managing triggers is critical because very little buffer). It's possible to do in very cheap tengus (right at 400m or so). Plus the added ability, now, to refit the subs in the hole so it's not just a ratting setup if necessary. Though C3 isk/hour is a bit higher because the sites are slow with that litle dps. Domis are, in fact, PVE fitting du jour for a lot of site running right now. Clone mechanics enchancements Deep Space Probe Revival
Levina Windstar Mekalon Industry 0	Posted - 2014.02.10 19:46:00 - [16] - Quote So it would be better to go for 2 or 3 dominix rather than tengus?
Derath Ellecon Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal 2024	Posted - 2014.02.10 19:58:00 - [17] - Quote Levina Windstar wrote: So it would be better to go for 2 or 3 dominix rather than tengus? an inexpensive fit RR tengu is gonna do in the area of 400-500 dps depending on the fit, skills ammo used etc. RR dominix is gonna be in the 650-750 range (or possibly higher) depending on fit skills etc. Usually gonna need bouncers for C4 sites, especially with the omni changes. I don't buy the fact that C4's are less profiable than C3's either. Yes they are slower but each site is worth a lot more. Our nights running C4 sites are far more profitable than they used to be running C3's. But I also don't mind people still believing that and staying out of C4 space either.
TXG SYNC Outer Ring Sleeper Collective Illusion of Solitude 33	Posted - 2014.02.10 23:05:00 - [18] - Quote C4 sites typically return slightly less ISK/hour -- but usually much more ISK/session -- than C3 sites due to range and Sleeper tank. A C4 with a static C3 certainly makes things easier, as mentioned above. The below Tengu fit can handle C3 and C4 pretty easily, with very modest cost. Safe numbers are 2+ Tengus for C3 anomalies, 3+ for C3 data/relic and C4 anomalies, 4+ for C4 data/relic. The volley damage in a C4 data/relic can be very impressive against the tank, and the range can be extreme (>100km) if you don't know your spawn locations and have a knowledgeable anchor. Fit shamelessly stolen from our corporate recommended fittings for the Tengu. Works great, time-tested and easy to fit even with less-than-perfect skills; if the fit doesn't fit your skills, skill up a bit as it really is a minimum and only gets better from there! [Tengu, IOS C4 Tengu] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Capacitor Power Relay II Capacitor Power Relay II Cap Recharger II EM Ward Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Large Shield Extender II Heavy Missile Launcher II Heavy Missile Launcher II Heavy Missile Launcher II Heavy Missile Launcher II Heavy Missile Launcher II Large S95a Remote Shield Booster Medium Hydraulic Bay Thrusters I Medium Rocket Fuel Cache Partition I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Tengu Defensive - Adaptive Shielding Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Electronics - CPU Efficiency Gate Tengu Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix Tengu Propulsion - Intercalated Nanofibers A stock Drake really sucks for C4 due to range problems, but the Navy Drake hangs in there with a RR Tengu ball much better. Just treat it as "extra" DPS and remote rep... it's not doing an awful lot for you compared to a Tengu as fit above. Half the DPS, half the remote rep, but it's a good learning step while training into the Tengu. Speaking from experience, its user is going to feel a bit like they are along for the ride. You'll also want the Drake to be the anchor, or else it will tend to get left behind by the slightly-faster Tengus. The fit below assumes fairly modest skills in someone new to wormholes. It lets them contribute, but Tengu training should be at the top of the radar for far greater effectiveness. [Drake Navy Issue, C4 RR] Beta Reactor Control: Capacitor Power Relay I Beta Reactor Control: Capacitor Power Relay I Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II EM Ward Field II Thermic Dissipation Amplifier II Kinetic Deflection Amplifier II Large Shield Extender II 'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile 'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile 'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile 'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile 'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile 'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile 'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Pithum A-Type Medium Remote Shield Booster Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Medium Hydraulic Bay Thrusters I
Levina Windstar Mekalon Industry 0	Posted - 2014.02.11 00:39:00 - [19] - Quote Thx alot for the fits TXG. I think we will wait till me and my friend get a tengu wich will be in 2-3 weeks before moving to a C4 with a C3 static. Then meaby we will farm C3s till we get a 3rd tengu or just farm some sites in C4 with 2 tengus with1 or 2 drakes. What about wormhole effects? I saw some cataclysmic wormholes for sale recently wich I assume should be rly good for RR ships. Meaby only 2 tengus could run a cataclysmic C4...
TXG SYNC Outer Ring Sleeper Collective Illusion of Solitude 33	Posted - 2014.02.11 00:59:00 - [20] - Quote Levina Windstar wrote: What about wormhole effects? I saw some cataclysmic wormholes for sale recently wich I assume should be rly good for RR ships. Meaby only 2 tengus could run a cataclysmic C4... You're welcome. I figured it would be worth it to provide some common, proven fits to you, because so many people just provide general advice and expect you to pyfa/eft it up yourself. There's a substantial learning curve to making the most of your own fits! One of our corporations does RR in a cataclysmic C2; the effects are pronounced enough even there that the beneficial effect on capacitor and RR is very noticeable, and really makes training the tengu-ball or drake-ball appraoch a lot easier. Once you get to C3 and above, the cataclysmic effect is so pronounced that local tank is hella nerfed and RR is very overpowered. A C4 Cataclysmic boosts the pair local tank from the 900-ish range to the 1200-ish range. Still not enough to tackle the C4 data & relic sites with the fit above, but enough for every anomaly as long as you don't botch your triggers. Be careful with the second wave of the "Sleeper Information Sanctum", that one is a butt-kicker. Most people want to dispatch the webbing/scramming/neuting battleship first, but don't! It's the trigger. If you upgrade the remote rep to T2, spring for deadspace invulns instead of T2, and put in a damage control to replace a BCU, you can get the tank up to marginally-acceptable levels for the relic & data sites with just a pair of Tengus. It won't be easy, and you'll probably need to warp out if aggro goes too long on either one of you, but it's do-able. An afterburner would make a big difference in tank needs until/unless you're webbed, but it's really challenging to do remote rep without dedicated Logistics if people use prop mods.
Keith Planck Sky Fighters 684	Posted - 2014.02.11 01:40:00 - [21] - Quote Oh my wholly ******* jesus this entire thread is making me sad... It's like none of these people have ever lived in wormholes before...
Keith Planck Sky Fighters 684	Posted - 2014.02.11 01:51:00 - [22] - Quote 600 DPS 1000 DPS tank Can solo all c4 sites, you just kite and stay out of neut range. Consistently clear sites in our chain in 15-20 minutes for 100mil/site Your ******* welcome scrublords [Tengu, Tengu fit] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Power Diagnostic System II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Shield Boost Amplifier II Caldari Navy EM Ward Field Pith B-Type Large Shield Booster 10MN Afterburner II Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node Tengu Electronics - CPU Efficiency Gate Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Derath Ellecon Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal 2025	Posted - 2014.02.11 01:52:00 - [23] - Quote Keith Planck wrote: Oh my wholly ******* jesus this entire thread is making me sad... It's like none of these people have ever lived in wormholes before... Oh Keith. It's nice to see you can be just as entertaining as you used to be flapping your lips in the incursion community.
Derath Ellecon Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal 2025	Posted - 2014.02.11 02:01:00 - [24] - Quote Keith Planck wrote: DPS: 598 Tank: 1019 Price: 481mil -Can solo all c4 sites, you just kite and stay out of neut range. -Consistently clear sites in our chain in 15-30 minutes for 100mil/site (200-400mil/hr not including salvaging) -Your ******* welcome scrublords [Tengu, Tengu fit] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Power Diagnostic System II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Shield Boost Amplifier II Caldari Navy EM Ward Field Pith B-Type Large Shield Booster 10MN Afterburner II Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node Tengu Electronics - CPU Efficiency Gate Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix And I can guarantee you aren't finishing Barracks sites in 15 minutes (or probably even 20) in that fit solo. And you certainly aren't staying outside neut range with furies given furies range is about the same as an upholders neut range. And 600DPS maybe with about a bil in +6 implants.
Tasiv Deka End-of-Line 202	Posted - 2014.02.11 02:06:00 - [25] - Quote Keith Planck wrote: DPS: 598 Tank: 1019 Price: 481mil -Can solo all c4 sites, you just kite and stay out of neut range. -Consistently clear sites in our chain in 15-30 minutes for 100mil/site (200-400mil/hr not including salvaging) -Your ******* welcome scrublords [Tengu, Tengu fit] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Power Diagnostic System II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Shield Boost Amplifier II Caldari Navy EM Ward Field Pith B-Type Large Shield Booster 10MN Afterburner II Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node Tengu Electronics - CPU Efficiency Gate Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix Oh, Do go on... no seriously ive got nothing better to do then listen to all the petty arguments and feeble trolling attempts...-á The sad thing is i'm not sure if i'm telling the truth.
Keith Planck Sky Fighters 684	Posted - 2014.02.11 02:10:00 - [26] - Quote Derath Ellecon wrote: And I can guarantee you aren't finishing Barracks sites in 15 minutes (or probably even 20) in that fit solo. And you certainly aren't staying outside neut range with furies given furies range is about the same as an upholders neut range. And 600DPS maybe with about a bil in +6 implants. barracks take closer to 30 as stated in my original post 563 DPS with 3%s ( 35 less dps) Fury Range with a 3% implant is 73kms, that's 3kms of play range to stay out of neuts Anything else BUD
Derath Ellecon Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal 2025	Posted - 2014.02.11 02:10:00 - [27] - Quote Tasiv Deka wrote: What sites are you running because my fit (thats similliar but a little shinier) cant really run some of the sites without getting neuted to death. Well to be fair you can easily kite the upholders of a barracks without even needing an AB. And if you can outrun the safeguard of the info sanctum and terminus anoms you'd be ok too.
Keith Planck Sky Fighters 684	Posted - 2014.02.11 02:11:00 - [28] - Quote Tasiv Deka wrote: Keith Planck wrote: DPS: 598 Tank: 1019 Price: 481mil -Can solo all c4 sites, you just kite and stay out of neut range. -Consistently clear sites in our chain in 15-30 minutes for 100mil/site (200-400mil/hr not including salvaging) -Your ******* welcome scrublords [Tengu, Tengu fit] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Power Diagnostic System II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Shield Boost Amplifier II Caldari Navy EM Ward Field Pith B-Type Large Shield Booster 10MN Afterburner II Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node Tengu Electronics - CPU Efficiency Gate Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix What sites are you running because my fit (thats similar but a little shinier) cant really run some of the sites without getting neuted to death. Use CN Scourge to out-range the neuts if your having difficulties with furies, less dps but it lets you practice.
Derath Ellecon Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal 2025	Posted - 2014.02.11 02:19:00 - [29] - Quote Keith Planck wrote: Derath Ellecon wrote: And I can guarantee you aren't finishing Barracks sites in 15 minutes (or probably even 20) in that fit solo. And you certainly aren't staying outside neut range with furies given furies range is about the same as an upholders neut range. And 600DPS maybe with about a bil in +6 implants. barracks take closer to 30 as stated in my original post 563 DPS with 3%s ( 35 less dps) Fury Range with a 3% implant is 73kms, that's 3kms of play range to stay out of neuts Anything else BUD Nice little ninja edit. your times werent in there when I first read it. and 563 isn't 600. I'd be hard pressed to believe you can do any of the sites in 15 minutes. My corp has been in a C4/C4 for over a year. I've got a dual setup I use with fits similar to yours (actually better DPS cause i use CN BCUS) and none of the sites I can clear in under 10 minutes with double the DPS. I figure I'd have to be at least doing 8 minute sites with 2 for you to hit 15minutes with only one. Your implants are bogus as well. To hit 563 you'd need a HM-703 and RL-1003. To get the implant range you'd need a MB-703 or MP-703 (unless there is some implant I don't know about). Not saying its a bad fit. It's plenty fine. But your numbers and claims are over the top and inflated.
Levina Windstar Mekalon Industry 0	Posted - 2014.02.11 02:26:00 - [30] - Quote Is 73km enough to stay our of web and scram range too?

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