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Flashy 'Red' Bee
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.02.10 23:00:00 -
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Hi! :D
I mistakingly made a thread in General Discussions about it and, I admit, didn't really ask the proper question.
To bee honest, I'm not sure how to ask it in the first place.
So we all know that asteroid belts regenerate a bit after downtime.
Let's assume there's a clean belt.
Not even micro asteroids left.
Now DownTime hits. Belts magically grow a bit. The server restarts.
How long would it take the 'average miner' to wipe the belt clean again, after downtime?
I'm not even sure what kind of tools or setup the 'average miner' uses. Does that include an orca alt or not? I don't know. I just want to be broad.
I'd love to know more about this. Amounts of m-¦ mineable per hours, respawn rates, the proper ships for the task, whatever you know or can tell!
And if I'm not actually asking for what I want to know, feel free to point me into the right direction! :D
I'm a complete mining noob! :D
Thank you so much! :D |
Mynutor
Black Box Technologies
47
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Posted - 2014.02.11 00:17:00 -
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4 Hulks and 1 Orca (so 5 miners) can clear a belt in 30 minutes maybe even quicker.
If:
The belt was completely empty when it respawned, the orca pilot does give full boost and the hulk pilots are fully skilled and yield fitted (that's about 6000 m3/120 sec per ship).
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Your question doesn't seem to have any real practical relevance, so I'm not sure what else you would like to know.
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You can clear a belt with a Mackinaw on your own, without boost in 2-2,5 hours.
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But we are talking about maxed skilled pilots and fully cleared belts, which respawned with the minimum possible ore. |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
3154
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Posted - 2014.02.11 00:29:00 -
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With 2 Hulks and an Orca, plus a hauler, I can clear at most two full belts before I want to go do something else. I never timed it though.
There are larger fleets that can deplete full belts in just a few minutes.
A single belt will keep every Venture pilot in the system busy all day.
If you are making some comment on availability, then I can assure you that there are more hisec asteroids than miners can possibly mine. However, many miners refuse to look for asteroids beyond their backyard. Systems without a station are also often unpopular. I'm always surprised at the large number of ignored belts I find as I travel. |
Flashy 'Red' Bee
Republic University Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2014.02.11 00:30:00 -
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Mynutor wrote:4 Hulks and 1 Orca (so 5 miners) can clear a belt in 30 minutes maybe even quicker.
If:
The belt was completely empty when it respawned, the orca pilot does give full boost and the hulk pilots are fully skilled and yield fitted (that's about 6000 m3/120 sec per ship).
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Your question doesn't seem to have any real practical relevance, so I'm not sure what else you would like to know.
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You can clear a belt with a Mackinaw on your own, without boost in 2-2,5 hours.
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But we are talking about maxed skilled pilots and fully cleared belts, which respawned with the minimum possible ore. Wow, that's exactly the response I was looking for !
Why four hulks ? I understand the orca gives a boost, but is the Hulk definitely the one mining most m-¦ per cycle? Maybe ships with more slots would be able to mine more m-¦ ? I'm just asking to be sure it's all covered.
Also, it seems that the respawn after a stripped naked belt is rather large? |
Flashy 'Red' Bee
Republic University Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2014.02.11 00:32:00 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:With 2 Hulks and an Orca, plus a hauler, I can clear at most two full belts before I want to go do something else. I never timed it though. What exactly does that mean? What are the time frames you are talking about?
Quote:There are larger fleets that can deplete full belts in just a few minutes. How large? :D
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
3155
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Posted - 2014.02.11 00:41:00 -
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Flashy 'Red' Bee wrote:Tau Cabalander wrote:With 2 Hulks and an Orca, plus a hauler, I can clear at most two full belts before I want to go do something else. I never timed it though. What exactly does that mean? What are the time frames you are talking about? My attention span is the time frame, which is likely a lot longer than most people, as I mine for pure enjoyment.
i.e. You are not likely to find a single person clearing a system of multiple belts, aside from the very few large multi-boxers.
I think it is fair to say that the vast majority of solo people don't clear belts on their own.
Flashy 'Red' Bee wrote:Tau Cabalander wrote:There are larger fleets that can deplete full belts in just a few minutes. How large? :D https://sites.google.com/site/khromtor/ https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3763558#post3763558 |
Mynutor
Black Box Technologies
49
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Posted - 2014.02.11 00:41:00 -
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Flashy 'Red' Bee wrote:Mynutor wrote:4 Hulks and 1 Orca (so 5 miners) can clear a belt in 30 minutes maybe even quicker.
If:
The belt was completely empty when it respawned, the orca pilot does give full boost and the hulk pilots are fully skilled and yield fitted (that's about 6000 m3/120 sec per ship).
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Your question doesn't seem to have any real practical relevance, so I'm not sure what else you would like to know.
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You can clear a belt with a Mackinaw on your own, without boost in 2-2,5 hours.
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But we are talking about maxed skilled pilots and fully cleared belts, which respawned with the minimum possible ore. Wow, that's exactly the response I was looking for ! Why four hulks ? I understand the orca gives a boost, but is the Hulk definitely the one mining most m-¦ per cycle? Maybe ships with more slots would be able to mine more m-¦ ? I'm just asking to be sure it's all covered. Also, it seems that the respawn after a stripped naked belt is rather large?
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Flashy 'Red' Bee
Republic University Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2014.02.11 00:42:00 -
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Mynutor, you derped your post. ^^
I have a follow-up question.
Do tiny rocks regenerate more than depleted rocks which respawn from emptyness? Or less?
Does that make sense? :/ |
Mynutor
Black Box Technologies
50
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Posted - 2014.02.11 00:51:00 -
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Flashy 'Red' Bee wrote:Mynutor, you derped your post. ^^
I have a follow-up question.
Do tiny rocks regenerate more than depleted rocks which respawn from emptyness? Or less?
Does that make sense? :/ Yes it makes sense:
It doesn't matter, each time after dt, the belts get a fixed amount of roids, with a fixed size. If the roids weren't completely empty that fixed amount gets added to the roid.
Thanks to this, there are some incredibly huge veldspar roids in worm hole space which can't be mined out in days (you could mine 1 roid for several days non stop). |
Mynutor
Black Box Technologies
50
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Posted - 2014.02.11 00:51:00 -
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Flashy 'Red' Bee wrote:Mynutor, you derped your post. ^^
Check again, I edited it. |
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Flashy 'Red' Bee
Republic University Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2014.02.11 01:06:00 -
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So according to EFT and an ALL LEVEL V character, a covetor mines 1616 units of ore ? That's including t2 drones.
Or is that m-¦? How does the roid translate into ore?
How is the mass of the roid connected to the mass of the ore? Does the above chart explain it? Is there mass lost in conversion from asteroid to ore? |
Mynutor
Black Box Technologies
51
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Posted - 2014.02.11 01:14:00 -
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Flashy 'Red' Bee wrote:So according to EFT and an ALL LEVEL V charac+ter, a covetor mines 1616 units of ore ? That's including t2 drones.
Or is that m-¦? How does the roid translate into ore?
How is the mass of the roid connected to the mass of the ore? Does the above chart explain it? Is there mass lost in conversion from asteroid to ore?
Each roid is differnet.
There is Veldspar which is the lowest density roid which means one unit of veldspar is 0.1 m3. Concentrated veldspar is the same as veldspar but if you refine it you get +5% Dense veldspar is the same as veldspar but if you refine it you get +10%
Scordite ... etc
The number you got in EFT is m3.
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You really should check the links I linked you. Especially the "Isk the guide" or Halada's mining guide. |
MicDeath Titan
Titans Guild Solitude Coalition
45
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Posted - 2014.02.11 01:52:00 -
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ok here is the down low.
Each system has a max belt unit, these are the ones you can right click and warp to. These are static. Each belt unit has a max size, this is the maximum m3 the belt will take, and more often than not is reached in 3 full down times from a clean wipe and is left untouched since then. Each system also has a maximum m3 that may or may not be the total sum of the system belt units max m3.
During each downtime if the belt is wiped clean, it it given it's stock amount, think like 1 unit of each type that belt has, then is given a stock m3 amount that is then randomly distributed across it's stock ore types. If the belt is NOT wiped clean, it is given a random amount of m3 to be spread across random ore types. The amount given can be 0 to what ever CCP's value is. It is good practice to left belts rest for 3 days since this will net you the most m3 of the belt. Example would be: In one of my old systems, a fresh system would have about 2mill m3, and after 3 dt's would have close to or over 9mill m3 of ore. on the 4th downtime, there was little to no change.
Depending on your fleet size, this could mean having to chain systems while you have others cool down and restock. So in the end, IT IS NOT IN YOUR BEST INTEREST TO DEPLETE BELTS DAY IN AND DAY OUT |
Flashy 'Red' Bee
Republic University Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2014.02.11 02:11:00 -
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MicDeath Titan wrote:ok here is the down low.
Each system has a max belt unit, these are the ones you can right click and warp to. These are static. Each belt unit has a max size, this is the maximum m3 the belt will take, and more often than not is reached in 3 full down times from a clean wipe and is left untouched since then. Each system also has a maximum m3 that may or may not be the total sum of the system belt units max m3.
During each downtime if the belt is wiped clean, it it given it's stock amount, think like 1 unit of each type that belt has, then is given a stock m3 amount that is then randomly distributed across it's stock ore types. If the belt is NOT wiped clean, it is given a random amount of m3 to be spread across random ore types. The amount given can be 0 to what ever CCP's value is. It is good practice to left belts rest for 3 days since this will net you the most m3 of the belt. Example would be: In one of my old systems, a fresh system would have about 2mill m3, and after 3 dt's would have close to or over 9mill m3 of ore. on the 4th downtime, there was little to no change.
Depending on your fleet size, this could mean having to chain systems while you have others cool down and restock. So in the end, IT IS NOT IN YOUR BEST INTEREST TO DEPLETE BELTS DAY IN AND DAY OUT I appreciate your highly informative post!
2 million? That's like over 1200 cycles in a ALL LEVEL V covetor?? |
MicDeath Titan
Titans Guild Solitude Coalition
46
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Posted - 2014.02.11 02:20:00 -
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edited my post for more information. |
Flashy 'Red' Bee
Republic University Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2014.02.11 09:30:00 -
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MicDeath Titan wrote:edited my post for more information. Thanks for your huge post! I forgive you your lack of paragraphs. ;)
Not yet sure it answers my question. Got to read through it a few times.
Okay, besides me not installing Excel or an equivalent, I think I understand. lol Just how do you get that high amount using only one strip miner? A yield fitted covetor doesn't pull that much on its own... |
Flashy 'Red' Bee
Republic University Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2014.02.11 09:38:00 -
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It doesn't feel like my question got answered, but I guess now I have a base to start. Gotta find me some stripped belts and start depleting them. ^^ |
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