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CYVOK	Posted - 2006.04.08 22:06:00 - [31] Have fun with your next contract... FYI, I think your Values a bit bloated. Some how I doubt that a pod is worth $5M each? 250 pods for a total of 1.25B in damage... Nice skull thingy.
Gissa	Posted - 2006.04.08 22:22:00 - [32] You guys use the same killboard....
Danari	Posted - 2006.04.08 22:27:00 - [33] Nice job e-r, kills are kills, and you fight very well. Nice job ascn, you stayed focused on the job at hand and didn't allow e-r to distract from that in the slightest. You gave e-r more losses than they ever had in a single contract or campaign, including some that ran twice as long.
TheDarkLord	Posted - 2006.04.08 23:25:00 - [34] Edited by: TheDarkLord on 08/04/2006 23:26:16 Originally by: CYVOK Have fun with your next contract... FYI, I think your Values a bit bloated. Some how I doubt that a pod is worth $5M each? 250 pods for a total of 1.25B in damage... Nice skull thingy.
Morrigu Storm	Posted - 2006.04.08 23:30:00 - [35] I've been looking at the ER and ASCN killboards (which are linked) have the same values set on the ships etc. I see very little WCS use by ER members and when they are used its very rarely more than 1. The same isn't true of the ASCN ships that are destroyed. I don't care who uses them and who doesn't tbh but why the hell are ASCN pilots flaming ER pilots for this when the proof shows they use far more? The kills ASCN have on ER pilots also show you used gank squads on them. I just don't see how you can legitimately complain about their tactics without being hypocrits! Adhamhon if more ASCN behaved like you ASCN would get alot more respect. Kudos for telling the smakers to quit!
Mr Flibble1	Posted - 2006.04.08 23:54:00 - [36] Edited by: Mr Flibble1 on 08/04/2006 23:54:21 Originally by: Morrigu Storm Adhamhon if more ASCN behaved like you ASCN would get alot more respect. Kudos for telling the smakers to quit! /Signed
welsh wizard	Posted - 2006.04.08 23:59:00 - [37] Originally by: Gonada Funny, the main pvp force of AXE/ASCN is returning form the north and your running ? ---------------------------------------------- hard to sound tough as nails , heh Anyone else find this as funny as I did?
BlackDog Rackh'am	Posted - 2006.04.09 01:05:00 - [38] Let's just say it was mutually enjoyable at times and mutually irritating at other times. I don't know who hired E-R, my corp was just tagging along as they are close friends. I suppose it was someone up north who was either tired of the ASCN raiders around torrinos, or had some intel about the EC operation and wanted to do some damage. Judging by the recent state of politics up there and taking the timing into account, it seems perfectly reasonable that the contract ended after the EC op. Oh, complaining about the occasional stab is like us complaining about your numbers...a couple of stabs is not unusual when 22 people (including a carrier) start looking for poor me the moment i warp on top of a megathron in a belt. Once more, our cov ops scout saved the day Originally by: Black Lotus I vote u for KIA spokesperson.
Raptorius	Posted - 2006.04.09 02:32:00 - [39] sry I missed it.... RL ftl it looks like u helped train some more ppl to watch local though so gj and hope all had fun even though I couldn't :P Rap
Lunas Feelgood	Posted - 2006.04.09 04:12:00 - [40] OMG The ASCN smack at this thread is pathetic.. ASCN E-R was on a contract they pulled out when the employer told them it was ower.. They wasnt there to give you a fun time.. Also you can downtalk the stats all you wont and say E-R was only killing carebears.. So the employer wanted that... Personnally i think those "pvp¦ers" in the north now returning home should give a little more credit to you alliance m8s who did try to stop E-R everyday and fought them everyday... Secondly E-R has have so many wars with you guys and you best "pvp¦ers" in empire the last year and this is actually the best you have ever done. So i think a little credit is in order to the ASCN pilots who didnt go north.. And finaly I think its no more then 2 months when E-R was in CI and CI declared on ASCN, there you brought you finest pvp¦ers and we all know how that vent And to Cyvok.. E-R and ASCN use the same killboard, on the same server so may i suggest you send a mail to the killboard maker, E-R dont decide that.. Also just to be clear cyvok E-R dont post fake killmails
Gissa	Posted - 2006.04.09 04:18:00 - [41] Originally by: Lunas Feelgood OMG The ASCN smack at this thread is pathetic.. ASCN E-R was on a contract they pulled out when the employer told them it was ower.. They wasnt there to give you a fun time.. Also you can downtalk the stats all you wont and say E-R was only killing carebears.. So the employer wanted that... Personnally i think those "pvp¦ers" in the north now returning home should give a little more credit to you alliance m8s who did try to stop E-R everyday and fought them everyday... Secondly E-R has have so many wars with you guys and you best "pvp¦ers" in empire the last year and this is actually the best you have ever done. So i think a little credit is in order to the ASCN pilots who didnt go north.. And finaly I think its no more then 2 months when E-R was in CI and CI declared on ASCN, there you brought you finest pvp¦ers and we all know how that vent And to Cyvok.. E-R and ASCN use the same killboard, on the same server so may i suggest you send a mail to the killboard maker, E-R dont decide that.. Also just to be clear cyvok E-R dont post fake killmails woot?
Malakai0	Posted - 2006.04.09 04:34:00 - [42] Edited by: Malakai0 on 09/04/2006 04:43:38 removed while trying to figure out what poster under me is pointing out _________________________ - We are Eye Of God, being so, we see the big picture. - Axiom is a self-evident truth upon which other knowledge must rest AND if its not self-evident to you, thats what
WAGABA NO1	Posted - 2006.04.09 04:37:00 - [43] Originally by: Malakai0 Edited by: Malakai0 on 09/04/2006 04:35:20 I found this interesting (as reported by E-R themselves): Total ASCN/AXE losses: 7112.22M ISK Axe Losses: 1463.8M ISK Total E-R Losses: 1246M E-R Losses caused by AXE: 716.2M So we took 20.58% of the total ASCN/AXE Losses, yet caused 57.48% of E-R's losses. In other word, ASCN took 79.42% of the total damage E-R caused, while causing only 42.52% of their losses. Now, if the ascn/axe political split occured after E-R's contract began (I forget the date of the separation), it's possible Axiom Empire took more of a percentage of the losses than the stats show. However it would also mean that we caused an even larger percentage of their total losses. Just some stats for anyone thinking about tresspassing in Impass in the future. All percentages are rounded to the nearest hundredth of a percent. Feedback welcome, info comes from the E-R killboard.
WAGABA NO1	Posted - 2006.04.09 04:38:00 - [44] Originally by: WAGABA NO1 Originally by: Malakai0 Edited by: Malakai0 on 09/04/2006 04:35:20 I found this interesting (as reported by E-R themselves): Total ASCN/AXE losses: 7112.22M ISK Axe Losses: 1463.8M ISK Total E-R Losses: 1246M E-R Losses caused by AXE: 716.2M So we took 20.58% of the total ASCN/AXE Losses, yet caused 57.48% of E-R's losses. In other word, ASCN took 79.42% of the total damage E-R caused, while causing only 42.52% of their losses. Now, if the ascn/axe political split occured after E-R's contract began (I forget the date of the separation), it's possible Axiom Empire took more of a percentage of the losses than the stats show. However it would also mean that we caused an even larger percentage of their total losses. Just some stats for anyone thinking about tresspassing in Impass in the future. All percentages are rounded to the nearest hundredth of a percent. Feedback welcome, info comes from the E-R killboard. not correct E-R: Total kills: 157 1463.8M Axiom: Total losses: 52 716.2M Efficiency: 67.15%
Coasterbrian	Posted - 2006.04.09 04:58:00 - [45] Originally by: Lunas Feelgood OMG The ASCN smack at this thread is pathetic.. ASCN E-R was on a contract they pulled out when the employer told them it was ower.. They wasnt there to give you a fun time.. Also you can downtalk the stats all you wont and say E-R was only killing carebears.. So the employer wanted that... Personnally i think those "pvp¦ers" in the north now returning home should give a little more credit to you alliance m8s who did try to stop E-R everyday and fought them everyday... Secondly E-R has have so many wars with you guys and you best "pvp¦ers" in empire the last year and this is actually the best you have ever done. So i think a little credit is in order to the ASCN pilots who didnt go north.. And finaly I think its no more then 2 months when E-R was in CI and CI declared on ASCN, there you brought you finest pvp¦ers and we all know how that vent And to Cyvok.. E-R and ASCN use the same killboard, on the same server so may i suggest you send a mail to the killboard maker, E-R dont decide that.. Also just to be clear cyvok E-R dont post fake killmails You'll have to forgive the ASCN members that have a difficult time believeing that a contract ever existed, given the past history between ASCN and E-R...... ---------- Originally by: riker to thebold first post w/ your main. Soft and Crunchy 4tw! \o/
Evelyn Exe	Posted - 2006.04.09 09:22:00 - [46] Edited by: Evelyn Exe on 09/04/2006 09:23:36 Originally by: Lunas Feelgood OMG The ASCN smack at this thread is pathetic.. 1 pilot out of about 1,000 made a small jibe about e-r using too many stabs and you find that level of smack "from ASCN" shocking? /me thinks you should look back over some of your own posts. People in glass houses etc. e-r are very efficient gankers - when you have no space to defend its very hard not to get amazing kill/death ratios, my own in the North was 17 to 1 and I am an avg pvper - it goes with the territory.
Hunkof BurningLove	Posted - 2006.04.09 12:24:00 - [47] Originally by: Evelyn Exe e-r are very efficient gankers - when you have no space to defend its very hard not to get amazing kill/death ratios, my own in the North was 17 to 1 and I am an avg pvper - it goes with the territory. Thats funny because your own killboard shows that AXE/ASCN kill to death ratio for Ze northern slaughter is 3:1. So you must definately be an above average pvper for your alliance.
Grim Savage	Posted - 2006.04.09 13:41:00 - [48] ASCN go north. ER get contract. ASCN finnish in the north. ER's contractors find that ASCN leaves (or maybee it was G, Iron or Trust that payed the bill, and none of these alliances are there no more.. It is logical that ER retreat. I also think ASCN and AXE should have a lookie on theire killboards and boot some of theire own members..
Weebear	Posted - 2006.04.09 13:54:00 - [49] Grats to E-R on their contract. It doesn't matter if it existed or not, it is a good advert for them if they are seriously trying to establish themselves in the merc business. They had fun, our guys managed to have some fun, and the experience was valuable for a lot of our pilots.
Equinox II	Posted - 2006.04.09 13:59:00 - [50] Originally by: CYVOK FYI, I think your Values a bit bloated. Some how I doubt that a pod is worth $5M each? 250 pods for a total of 1.25B in damage... Well, the avg clone cost for players (not concidering players that just started and nub alts) is about 2.6 mill isk (check out the dev blogs for numbers if you want to run the math yourself). This avg will ofc be higher if you concider 0.0 alliances such as yours, most people wait some months before they go into 0.0 (goonfleet is the exception). And you also have implant which gets more and more popular. Most people fly with at least hardwire implants, many have attrib enhancers, a few carry rare pirate implants. If just 2 out of 100 players lose a set of +3s or maybe 1 out of 100 lose a set of low grade pirate implants, then you're already way over the 5 mill avg cost for a clone loss. 5M for a avg pod is in no way bloated if you ask me, maybe even too low. (I've probably lost pods for way over 0.5->1 bill, and I don't lose them often) :p
BlackDog Rackh'am	Posted - 2006.04.09 14:01:00 - [51] I agree more or less on the stats about AXE. Generally they performed better than ASCN did. All in all, i was pleasantly surprised that there was almost no smack at all during this, and i hope the other guys had as much fun camping us, as we had trying to kill more than we lose and avoid their camps. Originally by: Black Lotus I vote u for KIA spokesperson.
Dahin	Posted - 2006.04.11 20:17:00 - [52] oh, two victims also saw their battlesips stolen too One of which died a tragic death to his own battleship while sitting in his indy 500m away.
Mistress Suffering	Posted - 2006.04.11 21:04:00 - [53] Your kill values are oddly weighted, with capsule values being altogether disproportionate which throws off the total. I'd suggest a much more conservative capsule weighting (we actually just put them at 100k and let the client consider the implications for high SP clones and full sets of implants on first poddings). Otherwise you overinflate a bunch on repeated kills or kills of lower SP chars (who tend to be the first to fall during wartime anyways). Assault Frigate at 25M is probably a little high as well, though it offsets the 35M Battleship which is generally low. 15M Mining Barge seems high as well. Kind of a weird lopsidedness. Suppose there should just be a standardized 'kill value' system argued out in forum (assume insurance) and be done with it. That way when someone claims 4 billion in damages, its easy to match that up with known values.

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