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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
4300
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Posted - 2014.02.12 20:29:00 -
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Yeah things have changed.
I won't even go in a pod to Jita 4-4 because I'm not sure if a ship scanner will reveal implants or not.
(Be kinda great if they did I mean, I'm not into the ganking play style but c'mon you gotta consider it) |

Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
309
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Posted - 2014.02.12 20:59:00 -
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The new guy in our Corp Hauled over 1.5 bil in an orca from Dodixie to amarr last night, made it, because lol **** the cardinal rule! Edit: we did warn him not to. If in doubt...do...excessively. |

Batelle
Komm susser Tod
1695
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Posted - 2014.02.12 21:03:00 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote:High to high, just never put more than 800m of stuff in a freighter and you aren't economically worth ganking. ("For the lulz" ganks are rare as freighter popping isn't cheap). If you have to move high value compact items, use a covops frigate, an interceptor, or something similarly agile. (I often fly ~1b loads around in Interceptors and there's not many systems I would not take things to).
While its not cheap, if all the targets have 1bn in their holds, you can get a lot of lolz out before running into money issues. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
4300
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Posted - 2014.02.12 21:41:00 -
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Batelle wrote:Sabriz Adoudel wrote:High to high, just never put more than 800m of stuff in a freighter and you aren't economically worth ganking. ("For the lulz" ganks are rare as freighter popping isn't cheap). If you have to move high value compact items, use a covops frigate, an interceptor, or something similarly agile. (I often fly ~1b loads around in Interceptors and there's not many systems I would not take things to).
While its not cheap, if all the targets have 1bn in their holds, you can get a lot of lolz out before running into money issues.
There's a kind of math to this. But I could never put my finger on an actual equation.
I think it would be "chance to get ganked" = cost of ship and cargo in ISK / cost of destroying it
ISK is NOT in how much earned potentially but how much destroyed - some players are simply trying to green up their KB (probably to make up for actual PVP losses) rather than make take-home ISK from the gank.
In ballpark measurements, if you have a ship with say 1 BIL worth of ISK and it would take a few destroyers to kill it (say around 10 Million worth of cats or thrashers) than the chances of being ganked is 1000000000 / 10000000 = 100
But again, I can't get a handle on actual math. if that was a percentage, and if you are in the right place, like Eudema, I'd say it could be a percentage.
If you have say a Hoarder with say 100 Million worth of ISK, it's 10 to 1 for ISK to cost-of-gank ratio. It can still happen. But if the Hoarder was tanked enough that it would take a 70 million ISK Tier 3 cruiser (possibly) or a whole lot of cats - then that's only 30 million ISK.
It came from CCP that suicide ganking is NOT meant to be profitable. That should be kept in mind - but they only looked at two aspects: - they didn't account for killboard stats - they didn't account for the idiot factor whereby someone will put heinous amount of value in a cardboard ship.
This is why I would Omnitank the heck out of a T1 hauling ship but still NOT going putting more than 150 million ISK into it. And I'm still going to do MWD-Cloak-Align with it, and I would still stay out of .5 systems at prime time too - basically treat it like lowsec.
Knowing the alpha damage of the common gank ships helps though - and tactical shield manipulation helps too.
So, what are the "most ideal alpha" damages done by the most common gank fittings? This is something that should be passed around like mission runners pass around the PVe sheet (what to tank - what damage to deal).
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
3164
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Posted - 2014.02.13 00:05:00 -
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Stitcher wrote:hop in a frigate with an MWD and undock from jita 4-4, turn the MWD on and burn a minimum of 300Km (preferably go off grid entirely) in a straight line, then create a bookmark.
When you undock, the first thing you do is warp to that bookmark. Because you're already pointing at it and moving at full speed, you'll warp instantly out of undock invulnerability. No instapop possible. No need to do that. Planet 4 Moon 1 is aligned with the undock of Jita 4-4. Warp to moon 1 and make a bookmark in-warp. |

Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
2326
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Posted - 2014.02.13 01:19:00 -
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Dear OP:
1) Don't just use Red Frog, join Red Frog. You've got a freighter, you're in a neutral corp, you're set to go! Their knowledge and resources will no doubt help out in the future.
2) Jita is bad, m'kay?. Try Rens, Doodixie, Amarr, or any of the smaller hubs out there. You'll make a lot more ISK with a lot less risk. Gankers barely have enough brain cells to push the F1 on their template Catalysts, let alone think outside their little "Jita bubble." Just don't go to Hek... that place is even worse. Nullsec in a Nutshell: http://nedroid.com/comics/2006-08-24-2155-arrrdino.gif |

seth Hendar
I love you miners
448
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Posted - 2014.02.13 09:52:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:seth Hendar wrote:baltec1 wrote:http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=21866036
Seems OP didn't cloak.
wrong, there are plenty ways to catch this in low, especially with a machariel. 1- when undocking, no insta from transport, insta pop it while he align 2- when undocking, bump him then kill it 3- when docking, if no docking BM / bad BM, can be far enought to give you time for killing it, whether he is cloacked or not and these are just 3 ways that can explain this specific kill..... there are plenty other ways, like smartbomb at dock / undock etc.... and regarding undock, it's pretty easy to prevent one from clocking when undocking, use cans, follow it with a frig at less than 2km..... Id guess death on undock too. Easily avoided with an insta warp safe. The real mystery here is why the thread is about freighters. killing him while he dock is also pretty easy on some station, i know a few wich land you +-2km when you warp0 to em from a specific gate, and it's enought time for a ship to go boom, even with something else than arty |

seth Hendar
I love you miners
448
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Posted - 2014.02.13 09:55:00 -
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Katran Luftschreck wrote:Dear OP:
1) Don't just use Red Frog, join Red Frog. You've got a freighter, you're in a neutral corp, you're set to go! Their knowledge and resources will no doubt help out in the future.
2) Jita is bad, m'kay?. Try Rens, Doodixie, Amarr, or any of the smaller hubs out there. You'll make a lot more ISK with a lot less risk. Gankers barely have enough brain cells to push the F1 on their template Catalysts, let alone think outside their little "Jita bubble." Just don't go to Hek... that place is even worse. pretty easy to get stuff in and out from jita, provided you know your thing.
you just need to be clever and aware of game mechanics.
now, it is also a very valid solution to use other hubs, especially amarr which holds mostly the same things, with a price +- the same, and it's not far from jita anyway |
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ISD Cura Ursus
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
325

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Posted - 2014.04.20 18:51:00 -
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1 post removed for trolling. ISD Cura Ursus Lieutenant Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
21137
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Posted - 2014.04.20 19:01:00 -
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You need more bookmarks. At least one, but preferably two for anything you intend to warp to and another one for anything you want to undock from. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
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Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
566
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Posted - 2014.04.20 19:20:00 -
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Gogela wrote:With a Tornado you can get a volley over 13k. That means even if concord is sitting on a 1.0 sec gate, there's a good chance the T1 industrial is going to pop. ...just sayin'. I wish I had started highsec ganking years and years ago...  Really easy to counter with a toon that's a few hours old and keeps looking out one jump ahead. :) |

Belt Scout
Forum alts make you mad
296
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Posted - 2014.04.20 19:22:00 -
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Tippia wrote:You need more bookmarks. At least one, but preferably two for anything you intend to warp to and another one for anything you want to undock from.
Another 2 month old thread lol.
EVE's only legitimate ISK halving service. I have 500Billion to not give away. It's easy for you to double my money. Just send me some isk, has to be 100Mil or higher, and I will send you back half. I can't lose. One guaranteed winner every round. Do it now. |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
21137
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Posted - 2014.04.20 19:25:00 -
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Belt Scout wrote:Tippia wrote:You need more bookmarks. At least one, but preferably two for anything you intend to warp to and another one for anything you want to undock from. Another 2 month old thread lol. Yup. Didn't notice until after I had posted.  GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |

Belt Scout
Forum alts make you mad
296
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Posted - 2014.04.20 19:26:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Belt Scout wrote:Tippia wrote:You need more bookmarks. At least one, but preferably two for anything you intend to warp to and another one for anything you want to undock from. Another 2 month old thread lol. Yup. Didn't notice until after I had posted. 
Yeah i already did it a couple times before realizing what was happening. 
EVE's only legitimate ISK halving service. I have 500Billion to not give away. It's easy for you to double my money. Just send me some isk, has to be 100Mil or higher, and I will send you back half. I can't lose. One guaranteed winner every round. Do it now. |

Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
566
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Posted - 2014.04.20 19:32:00 -
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Oh ****, necro. hahahahaha. xD
Anyhow, as it fits the topic, may I point at my thread in F&I...
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4494465#post4494465 |

PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
1570
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Posted - 2014.04.20 19:47:00 -
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ISD Cura Ursus wrote:1 post removed for trolling. I like the cut of your jib, you should post here more often. |

Doireen Kaundur
757
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Posted - 2014.04.20 20:29:00 -
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Toxicmoon wrote:After noon all, First, IGÇÖm going start with GÇ£I made some bad choicesGÇ¥. I feel I had made better choices after the fact but luck wasnGÇÖt on my side this last time. Recently returned. Prior to leaving I didnGÇÖt have much trouble with these types of things before. Now been having all sorts of issues. So spit it out already whatGÇÖs the problem? Just Hauling stuff. I only manually fly, I do not use AP. I logon for the first time in a year or two. Find myself in Jita. Decided before I fly out down to my assets IGÇÖd load up a frigate with something for a return (region trading). Undock, insta popped. IGÇÖve been back a whole 5mins. Ok, I really canGÇÖt blame anyone but myself on that one. I should of tanked it and choose a better hull if I was going to be moving something of decent value, plus had a insta undock bookmark set. Next I jump in my freighter and IGÇÖm moving a bit of trit down a high sec pipeline, while aligning an attempt was made by a fleet to gank me. I managed to get out with 15% structure. Thankfully they didnGÇÖt have enough DPS before concord showed up. The next 30mins or so I spent repping the thing because it was 90m to repair it. This point the freighter has no value to me anymore, I canGÇÖt move product. Quite a big hit to lose that. IGÇÖll reframe from trading and moving stuff and just use it for my needs. Not worth the risk. Which is a real shame, thatGÇÖs one of the things I enjoy doing and was looking forward too. So I sold it and decided to stick with just transport ships, which I have max skill for. Sure IGÇÖll have to take a bunch of extra trips. But least survivalbity is greatly improved. Mean time perhaps IGÇÖll another use for this guy. Last night I was moving stuff one jump out in low sec for one of my other toons. Like I often did in the past. I never warp directly to station if I canGÇÖt D-scan the station first. In this case I could see the station from the gate. All clear, cool. After I warped (cloaked) , a ship undocked at the station. Not something I can really control. Least I do have a bit of a shield tank fitted,nice resists. I land, my ship decloakGÇÖs naturally. Insta popped before docking request completed. Reflecting back, in the short time IGÇÖve been back things havenGÇÖt been going so well for me. While hauling something in a frigate was a stupid on my part. The rest of my experience thus far was things out of my control. To the point I canGÇÖt even haul something in any configuration I can currently fly (Frig, hauler, Transport, Freighter). Appreciate advice on the GÇ£how toGÇ¥ of EVE today to perform the following Moving something from hisec to hisec Moving something from hisec to low sec. Ship types and or fits would be appreciated. I assume any type of hauler is out. My guess is T3 cruiser is the way to move things around now x 4000 trips? Thanks 
Sounds like bad timing.
If you are moving anyting of value, look at the day of the week/time of day. Weekends are bad. High population times are bad. Sometimes you have to be smarter than the game. Oh, and use Blockade runners. They are immune to cargo scans. A great American humorist and author recently said: "The one unintentional flaw of the internet generation is its ability to give the stupidest segments of our population the loudest voices." I have a tendency to agree with his statement.-á |

Functionary
The Wolves' Pack
10
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Posted - 2014.04.21 00:15:00 -
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can you still make a contract to yourself and put it in a secure can and not autopilot ? in 0.0 you got bubbles but - not autopilot is useful ? |

Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
1264
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Posted - 2014.04.21 00:48:00 -
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ISD Cura Ursus wrote:1 post removed for trolling. You dagged up a thread from February to remove a post?
Do you not have faith in your fellow ISDs to have looked at this thread back then?
Its been a strange day in GD. Generally I find the work of the ISDs to be fairly consistent, but there must be something about Easter. . -á<- Argue this, not this ->-á( -í-¦ -£-û -í-¦) |

Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
276
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Posted - 2014.04.21 01:11:00 -
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Batelle wrote:He didn't say he was new at all, did he?
Also, I'm curious to know how often you get cargoes that will fit in a freighter, but not in an orca, but still be under 1bn isk.
Ores |
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Vigilant
Vigilant's Vigilante's
15
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Posted - 2014.04.21 02:01:00 -
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Under 100 m3, use a Inty
Over a 100 m3 use a TP and instant cloak from gate to gate
Over 1500 m3 use scout if your worried
Avoid Jita or other hot spot 0.5 gates where wolf packs of gankers are.
Lastly, move your really expensive stuff during the lulls. (an hour before DT or right after DT is very good usually).
Web things works okay, but usually tells the ganker scout you are moving pricy stuff... |
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