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Miichael Epic
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.02.11 21:03:00 -
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I have a problem...I have a fully outfitted Tech I Venture that is totally stocked up with Tech I goodies. I'm rocking
Small Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Small Core Defense Field Extender I
Mining Laser Upgrade I Hobgoblin II x2
1MN Afterburner I Survey Scanner I Medium Shield Extender I
Miner I Small Tractor Beam I Miner I -
I'm using the 5000m3 of ore bay it has plus the 50.00 amount of cargo hold and my mining lasers are running 111m3 per 60s, right?
OK! I went and bought a Miasmos (46,000m3 ore bay!) and fitted it with tons of goodies like:
Medium Low Friction Nozzle Joints I Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Damage Control I Warp Core Stabilizer I Warp Core Stabilizer I Nanofiber Internal Structure I
Medium Shield Extender I EM Ward Amplifier II Thermic Dissipation Amplifier I Adaptive Invulnerability Field I
Small Tractor Beam I (another miner I laser wouldn't go on it) Miner I -
Right? But lo and behold...'ol Miasmos only does 46m3 of ore every 60s so I went from 222m3 per 60s to 46s
I spent 8 million isk and spent all day jumping through stargates collecting this setup and I am only roughly 1/4th as efficient. What did I do wrong? Why have I lost 176m3 per 60s? |

Joy-Tear Starseeker
Briscoe and Boris Enterprises
6
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Posted - 2014.02.11 21:08:00 -
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Hi, welcome to eve.
The Miasmos isn't a mining ship, it's an industrial vessel for transporting ore in medium quantities.
To progress in your mining career, work on getting into a mining barge. Use the ISIS ship viewer under ORE ships for a guide here.
A retriever is a good choice for solo mining, and should only take a week or so of training.
Good Luck
Joy |

Miichael Epic
University of Caille Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2014.02.11 21:15:00 -
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Joy-Tear Starseeker wrote:Hi, welcome to eve.
The Miasmos isn't a mining ship, it's an industrial vessel for transporting ore in medium quantities.
To progress in your mining career, work on getting into a mining barge. Use the ISIS ship viewer under ORE ships for a guide here.
A retriever is a good choice for solo mining, and should only take a week or so of training.
Good Luck
Joy
n00b mistake on my part...so what do I do with this Miasmos? Should I keep it or sell it? Idk what to do with it :-/ |

Thomas Builder
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
410
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Posted - 2014.02.11 21:34:00 -
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Miichael Epic wrote:n00b mistake on my part...so what do I do with this Miasmos? Should I keep it or sell it? Idk what to do with it :-/ Well, it's useful to transport ore, so you could: - transport ore from the system you mine in to a system where you can sell it for a good price - transport ore from the system you mine in to a station where you have 6.67 standing in order to refine it there - jetcan mine (i.e. someone mines in a Covetor/Hulk, which has great yield, but a small hold and just puts the ore into a jetcan, the Miasmos collects the jetcan and moves it to the station) but that's more something to do in a fleet, not solo, unless you mine in missions.
Note: when moving around ore, make sure that you have enough tank to protect it. The value usually thrown around is to transport no more than 3k ISK in value per EHP (although some say 6k/EHP is still ok). |

Qalix
Long Jump.
106
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Posted - 2014.02.11 22:07:00 -
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Don't get locked into thinking you have to keep anything. Sometimes it's better to let your ISK stay liquid (which means you would sell the ship), sometimes its better to hold on to the assets (transporting stuff is a key part of the game). If you're always scrounging for ISK, stay liquid for now. |

Marc Callan
Interstellar Steel Templis CALSF
417
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Posted - 2014.02.11 22:28:00 -
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Yeah, the Miasmos is great for transporting ore, not so much for drilling it. It's probably at its best when working as part of a mining team, either with jetcan miners (the tractor beam can come in handy there) or with an Orca command ship (either just shuttling back and forth between the miners and the local station, or switching between a mining ship - a Venture or a barge - and the Miasmos, storing the other ship in the Orca's hangar bay). "Nevertheless a prince ought to inspire fear in such a way that, if he does not win love, he avoids hatred..." - Niccolo Machiavelli-á |

Sabriz Adoudel
Mission BLITZ
2025
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Posted - 2014.02.11 22:36:00 -
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If you must mine, the Procurer is fairly safe for a newer player (it is cheap and hard to gank). But expect to be bored to tears and quit the game soon.
If you want ISK, it is much easier for a newer player to steal it than to use the tools available at low skillpoints to 'earn' it.
If you have the ability to use combat scanner probes, for instance, you can probe down people running missions in a cheap ship, destroy their Mobile Tractor Units, then steal any choice loot their tractor unit had. Most mission boats struggle to do any damage at all to a moving frigate, so you are fairly safe and you are not risking much. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=318489 - Proposal for a new type of tech 2 Destroyer If you want to mine in highsec, read www.minerbumping.com. |

J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
3653
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Posted - 2014.02.11 22:51:00 -
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Miichael Epic wrote:I have a problem...I have a fully outfitted Tech I Venture that is totally stocked up with Tech I goodies. I'm rocking
Small Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Small Core Defense Field Extender I
Mining Laser Upgrade I Hobgoblin II x2
1MN Afterburner I Survey Scanner I Medium Shield Extender I
Miner I Small Tractor Beam I Miner I -
I'm using the 5000m3 of ore bay it has plus the 50.00 amount of cargo hold and my mining lasers are running 111m3 per 60s, right?
OK! I went and bought a Miasmos (46,000m3 ore bay!) and fitted it with tons of goodies like:
Medium Low Friction Nozzle Joints I Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Damage Control I Warp Core Stabilizer I Warp Core Stabilizer I Nanofiber Internal Structure I
Medium Shield Extender I EM Ward Amplifier I Thermic Dissipation Amplifier I Adaptive Invulnerability Field I
Small Tractor Beam I (another miner I laser wouldn't go on it) Miner I -
Right? But lo and behold...'ol Miasmos only does 46m3 of ore every 60s so I went from 222m3 per 60s to 46m3
I spent 8 million isk and spent all day jumping through stargates collecting this setup and I am only roughly 1/4th as efficient. What did I do wrong? Why have I lost 176m3 per 60s?
Because of a simple fact. You failed to read that the ships intended purpose is.
The Miasmos is an Ore HAULER, not a mining ship. Want to have some chat in game? Need help to get into the game as a new player? Just join my channel: Crazy Dutch Guy |

J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
3653
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Posted - 2014.02.11 22:52:00 -
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Joy-Tear Starseeker wrote:Use the ISIS ship viewer under ORE ships for a guide here.
No offense to OP.
But CCP added ISIS, which clearly outlines what ship does what, and what progresses after what....and still people make mistakes. Want to have some chat in game? Need help to get into the game as a new player? Just join my channel: Crazy Dutch Guy |

Miichael Epic
University of Caille Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2014.02.11 23:10:00 -
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J'Poll wrote:Joy-Tear Starseeker wrote:Use the ISIS ship viewer under ORE ships for a guide here. No offense to OP. But CCP added ISIS, which clearly outlines what ship does what, and what progresses after what....and still people make mistakes.
Hey no offense taken...you're totally right. I acknowledged n00b mistake on my part....lol might have to get my eyes checked to make sure I can read and pay closer attention.
I really appreciate everyone's help though....I mined for days to garner up the 8 million isk and just spent it all on the Miasmos lol
Oh yeah and
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:If you must mine, the Procurer is fairly safe for a newer player (it is cheap and hard to gank). But expect to be bored to tears and quit the game soon.
I sit on my laptop at work all day and run EVE lol I am never bored to tears with mining because I am at work doing it so I can set it to mine and do paperwork and what not. I have external speakers set up so I can hear what the game is doing and what not...so Procurer you say? I'll check into that. I just need an ore bay bigger than 5,000m3. |
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J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
3653
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Posted - 2014.02.11 23:30:00 -
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Miichael Epic wrote:J'Poll wrote:Joy-Tear Starseeker wrote:Use the ISIS ship viewer under ORE ships for a guide here. No offense to OP. But CCP added ISIS, which clearly outlines what ship does what, and what progresses after what....and still people make mistakes. Hey no offense taken...you're totally right. I acknowledged n00b mistake on my part....lol might have to get my eyes checked to make sure I can read and pay closer attention. I really appreciate everyone's help though....I mined for days to garner up the 8 million isk and just spent it all on the Miasmos lol .
Would have been more food for laughs if you came here with same question but then added Rorqual instead of Miasmos Want to have some chat in game? Need help to get into the game as a new player? Just join my channel: Crazy Dutch Guy |

Mister Simms
Society for Miner Education
19
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Posted - 2014.02.11 23:54:00 -
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Miichael Epic wrote:Joy-Tear Starseeker wrote:Hi, welcome to eve.
The Miasmos isn't a mining ship, it's an industrial vessel for transporting ore in medium quantities.
To progress in your mining career, work on getting into a mining barge. Use the ISIS ship viewer under ORE ships for a guide here.
A retriever is a good choice for solo mining, and should only take a week or so of training.
Good Luck
Joy n00b mistake on my part...so what do I do with this Miasmos? Should I keep it or sell it? Idk what to do with it :-/
Keep it. The Miasmos is a great indy for hauling ore. You will find a use for it. You can setup GSCs and mine into those then use the miasmos to pick up the ore. In the mean time, train up your skills so you can fly a Procuror or Retriever.
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
4168
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Posted - 2014.02.12 00:37:00 -
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This thread is giving me flashbacks of falling asleep at the keyboard waiting for my mining Badger's hold to fill up.
Those are not the fondest memories I have of this game. Thanks, OP. Thanks a lot for forcing me to relive them.
Mr Epeen  There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |

Sabriz Adoudel
Mission BLITZ
2026
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Posted - 2014.02.12 01:12:00 -
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Miichael Epic wrote:Sabriz Adoudel wrote:If you must mine, the Procurer is fairly safe for a newer player (it is cheap and hard to gank). But expect to be bored to tears and quit the game soon. I sit on my laptop at work all day and run EVE lol I am never bored to tears with mining because I am at work doing it so I can set it to mine and do paperwork and what not. I have external speakers set up so I can hear what the game is doing and what not...so Procurer you say? I'll check into that. I just need an ore bay bigger than 5,000m3.
Mining AFK will make you a major target for ganking. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=318489 - Proposal for a new type of tech 2 Destroyer If you want to mine in highsec, read www.minerbumping.com. |

Miriya Zakalwe
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
68
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Posted - 2014.02.12 01:16:00 -
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Wait, isn't OP the Dust guy that came over for FW? Or am I confused?
Faction War to AFK mining is quite a fall to take :) |

Sabriz Adoudel
Mission BLITZ
2026
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Posted - 2014.02.12 03:17:00 -
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Miriya Zakalwe wrote:Wait, isn't OP the Dust guy that came over for FW? Or am I confused?
Faction War to AFK mining is quite a fall to take :)
A few barge losses should solve that problem. Though FW and mining can be similar - orbit some object for 15 minutes, collect bacon unless you got ganked... https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=318489 - Proposal for a new type of tech 2 Destroyer If you want to mine in highsec, read www.minerbumping.com. |

Miriya Zakalwe
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
68
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Posted - 2014.02.12 03:31:00 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote:Miriya Zakalwe wrote:Wait, isn't OP the Dust guy that came over for FW? Or am I confused?
Faction War to AFK mining is quite a fall to take :) A few barge losses should solve that problem. Though FW and mining can be similar - orbit some object for 15 minutes, collect bacon unless you got ganked...
There are, indeed, very few things more boring than plexing.
caveat: I have never tried mining |

Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
16213
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Posted - 2014.02.12 04:27:00 -
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If you're going for a barge, go for the Procurer unless you're willing to swallow the occasional ship loss, it's cheaper, it mines almost as fast as a retriever, but has a smaller cargo hold which fills in about 15 minutes.
The upside is that It can be fitted with a tank that rivals that of battlecruisers; gankers will tend to leave you alone unless you do something stupid.
A Procurer or the Skiff (BS size tank I believe) are undesirable targets, especially when everyone else is flying wafer thin Retrievers, Mackinaws and or an Orca is present, their resources are much better utilised on far easier or juicier targets.
You will probably bump into the New Order or similar organisation if you mine, they'll want a xx million isk fee for an annual/monthly etc mining permit, usually after making some poor sod in a Retriever explode . Yes it's an extortion racket, yes it's explicitly allowed, and yes you might explode anyway 
It's your choice how as how you deal with them. Regardless of whether or not you pay, I'd recommend a well tanked Procurer and some friendly banter in local. Sit back relax and enjoy all the other miners tears, as you refine and sell the ores that you got to mine while everyone else exploded. Loot any blue wrecks and sell modules that dropped back to the gankers if you want to profit from the action.
If you enjoy mining go for it, it can be fun if with friends or for winding down, when you get bored try something else.
If raising isk for PvP or new toys is your aim, IMHO you'd be better off missioning on one character for quickish isk, more than mining anyway when you get to 3's and 4's, and a mining/industry/trade or combination of, alt for a relatively low maintenance income source. That does however involve stopping training on one character to start it on another, unless you're willing to use a PLEX for the dual character training malarky. |

Miichael Epic
University of Caille Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2014.02.12 06:34:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:You will probably bump into the New Order or similar organisation if you mine in highsec, they'll want a xx million isk fee for an annual/monthly etc mining permit, usually after making some poor sod in a Retriever explode  . Yes it's an extortion racket, yes it's explicitly allowed, and yes you might explode anyway 
I have my clone insured and my ships insured lol they can want all they want and make a poopie in the other and see which one fills up first ;)
(thank you for the advice though, I very much appreciate you taking the time to write me all of that)
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Yarda Black
Epidemic. Spaceship Samurai
29
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Posted - 2014.02.12 10:05:00 -
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My mining started out like this:
1. Bantam -> fill up, put in large container, get container stolen, lesson 1 learned
2. Upgraded to a badger after having recovered from container losses -> afk fill while watching TV -> get badger mk2
3. Bought an Osprey, felt on top of the world with THREE bonussed mininglasers
So that hauler is a decent way to build a bit of cash for your first barge imho.
I'm sure there's "better" ways, but play EVE for about a week and you'll realize there's always a better way out there and it only matters when you aren't enjoying what you're doing right now.
My mining career ended yesterday when I thought I'd undock my Orca for the first time in 3 years and grab some veldspar. It's gone now, along with my belief I don't suck at EVE. Pro-tip: Don't shoot wrecks you didnt make in H-sec.
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Marc Callan
Interstellar Steel Templis CALSF
418
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Posted - 2014.02.12 10:59:00 -
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Yarda Black wrote:My mining started out like this:
1. Bantam -> fill up, put in large container, get container stolen, lesson 1 learned
2. Upgraded to a badger after having recovered from container losses -> afk fill while watching TV -> get badger mk2
3. Bought an Osprey, felt on top of the world with THREE bonussed mininglasers
So that hauler is a decent way to build a bit of cash for your first barge imho.
I'm sure there's "better" ways, but play EVE for about a week and you'll realize there's always a better way out there and it only matters when you aren't enjoying what you're doing right now.
My mining career ended yesterday when I thought I'd undock my Orca for the first time in 3 years and grab some veldspar. It's gone now, along with my belief I don't suck at EVE. Pro-tip: Don't shoot wrecks you didnt make in H-sec.
Ouch. I lost a mission runner the same way - shooting a can that was attributed to my salvager who wasn't in the same corp. If I'd remembered that ships now have weapon safeties, I might have avoided that mistake... "Nevertheless a prince ought to inspire fear in such a way that, if he does not win love, he avoids hatred..." - Niccolo Machiavelli-á |

Noxisia Arkana
Deadspace Knights
148
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Posted - 2014.02.12 15:11:00 -
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J'Poll wrote:Joy-Tear Starseeker wrote:Use the ISIS ship viewer under ORE ships for a guide here. No offense to OP. But CCP added ISIS, which clearly outlines what ship does what, and what progresses after what....and still people make mistakes.
J'Poll - when did you get bitter?
Legit rookie question. When I started I bought an exequrer and wondered why it was a crappy combat ship (when it was a high cargo / semi mining cruiser at the time). |

Shiloh Templeton
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
95
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Posted - 2014.02.12 17:09:00 -
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OP, you may have bought the wrong ship, but you did a very good job of researching and fitting your ships. You're on the right track. That Miasmos will prove useful so be sure to keep it while you stay with mining.
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Miichael Epic
University of Caille Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2014.02.12 18:25:00 -
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Shiloh Templeton wrote:OP, you may have bought the wrong ship, but you did a very good job of researching and fitting your ships. You're on the right track. That Miasmos will prove useful so be sure to keep it while you stay with mining.
Hey thanks man...but I can't take all the credit lol the forums are helpful for figuring out what is what and what goes where....but after a few hours reading about each ship and considering what I wanted to do with it, I determined all that stuff was the stuff I needed lol so I went and mined and mined and mined.
And then bought the wrong ship lol oh hey btw what will it prove useful for? Because I'd really like to start getting a return on my hefty investment lol like, now haha |

Elena Thiesant
Sun Micro Systems
1261
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Posted - 2014.02.12 18:58:00 -
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Miichael Epic wrote:And then bought the wrong ship lol oh hey btw what will it prove useful for? Because I'd really like to start getting a return on my hefty investment lol like, now haha
Hauling. Specifically moving your ore from where you mined it to where you want to sell it
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J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
3659
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Posted - 2014.02.12 19:06:00 -
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Noxisia Arkana wrote:J'Poll wrote:Joy-Tear Starseeker wrote:Use the ISIS ship viewer under ORE ships for a guide here. No offense to OP. But CCP added ISIS, which clearly outlines what ship does what, and what progresses after what....and still people make mistakes. J'Poll - when did you get bitter? Legit rookie question. When I started I bought an exequrer and wondered why it was a crappy combat ship (when it was a high cargo / semi mining cruiser at the time).
Well.
A. Forums is filled with advice on how Industrials arent mining ships.
B. CCP added a VERY clear feature on ship progression and what they are useful for called ISIS.
C. Tutorial actually does mention ISIS.
And as mentioned it wasnt towards the OP in general as he already replied he made a newbie mistake. But more in general on how people can still make such an error by not reading and using the tools provided.
Its like buying something from IKEA, getting the screws, manual and a crappy screwdriver with it...Yet pick a hammer from your toolbox and wack the screws in. Want to have some chat in game? Need help to get into the game as a new player? Just join my channel: Crazy Dutch Guy |

J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
3659
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Posted - 2014.02.12 19:13:00 -
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Elena Thiesant wrote:Miichael Epic wrote:And then bought the wrong ship lol oh hey btw what will it prove useful for? Because I'd really like to start getting a return on my hefty investment lol like, now haha Hauling. Specifically moving your ore from where you mined it to where you want to sell it
This.
Or look for a regional market where demand for the Miasmos is higher and sell it for profit.
Want to have some chat in game? Need help to get into the game as a new player? Just join my channel: Crazy Dutch Guy |
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