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Detaitiv
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Posted - 2003.09.16 01:31:00 -
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That was enjoyable to read. Thank you.
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Capn Blood
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Posted - 2003.09.16 01:46:00 -
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Reports like this, well written and interesting make the game so much more alive and fun.
Truth is very subjective.....BUT all we ever see from TTI is flames and spoiler replies......will you ever learn the lesson that Jade is teaching you in PR?
As a small corp of 4 or so active members we are not involved in this conflict, but my own sympathies lie with the NVA....if only because of the effort Jade puts into such posts as these. 
Keep up the good work.
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"Trust no man who says to you that 'The ends justify the means' or who says that 'We will do whatever it takes...'.
These men have no honour, and are fit only to be politicians."
The book of Rab
Chapter 1, Verse 3.
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Stavros
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Posted - 2003.09.16 01:53:00 -
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ok i dont mind roleplaying but pls just tell me what the hell ARE u roleplaying?
cos it isnt public relations for any corp/alliance that has any SHRED of honesty about what claims it makes on the forums.
Half of that stuff just aint true... you can dress it up in funny language and post it as many times as u want, it dont make it any less of a crock.
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Mustafa Ken'Yova
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Posted - 2003.09.16 02:00:00 -
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Reports like this, well written and interesting make the game so much more alive and fun.
Truth is very subjective.....BUT all we ever see from TTI is flames and spoiler replies......will you ever learn the lesson that Jade is teaching you in PR?
As a small corp of 4 or so active members we are not involved in this conflict, but my own sympathies lie with the NVA....if only because of the effort Jade puts into such posts as these.
Keep up the good work.
I don't normally bother myself with all of these idiotic flame wars but after taking a long gander at this gem of a post, I felt so inclined.
Frankly, I am sick and tired of all the people poo-poo'ing TTI with little to no justification. As Derek put it Jade, you like to dance around questions that are posed with questions of your own. Get to the point.
Also, it's all so well that Jade is "telling it how it is in Venal" but the fact of the matter is, what is the point of a report if it is biased DISCLAIMER or not. In my not-so-humble opinion it is a damned oxymoron to even suggest such a thing. If you haven't noticed only a fraction of TTI even bother replying to these flame / lie filled threads because it is a lost cause. Those that talk about propaganda are using it now against us and it is working quite well for them - the proof is in the pudding.
Now, in leaving, I'd like to leave you all with a few thoughts - When I came to EVE I thought that this community would offer something else besides the drama of everyday life, and yet it does not. I feel like I am in high school again with all of the immaturity and flames being thrown all over. Less talk, more action. In case those of you that read these forums religiously did not realize, Jade is spreading her own propaganda to rally cause for her own side - the NVA. And I must say, a lot of you seem to be taking the bait - hurrah to intelligence.
PS - Flame me all you like. I really don't care. In fact I care so much that I won't even be reading any of your lovely replies to this slanderous debate. And do you know why? Because I really could care less what you think. Once again: Less words, more action.
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Captain Carebear
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Posted - 2003.09.16 02:18:00 -
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You are all guilty of war crimes against humanity for this horrible conflict. Give peace a chance and dance in fields of flowers celebrating PEACE!
Lay down your arms and embrace one another as kindred spirits!
Let Peace and joy ring across the galaxy!
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.16 02:24:00 -
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[Mustafa rambled and ranted a bit]
And then coughed up this pearl of wisdom...
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In case those of you that read these forums religiously did not realize, Jade is spreading her own propaganda to rally cause for her own side - the NVA.
Well doh!
Love and peace.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.16 02:29:00 -
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You'd be surprised Stavros old chap, most of it is entirely true. And whats more, I've been there for most of it. How about you?
Strange to see the mighty Stavros doing Ragnar's propaganda beat though ... are you feeling starved of attention?
Bless!
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Capn Blood
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Posted - 2003.09.16 02:59:00 -
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Ummmm Mustafa I am glad to see you have a great touch for irony.....bothering to read it all....quote me....say you hate flames and then flame away yourself....and to cap it all finish with the superb "I could care less" line.
/applaud
What was it you said about oxymorons?
I really do love when people post their wonderfully insightful opinions, well seasoned with "gosh you are all so childish" euphimisms and finish it with "I could care less".
If you don't care...dont post.
It's a game in case you hadn't noticed.
Drama makes games more fun.
Jade does drama very well.
Therefore Jade is good for EVE....that's the whole point of my post.
But hey, you won't be reading this as you said above...right?
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"Trust no man who says to you that 'The ends justify the means' or who says that 'We will do whatever it takes...'.
These men have no honour, and are fit only to be politicians."
The book of Rab
Chapter 1, Verse 3.
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Sluticious
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Posted - 2003.09.16 03:22:00 -
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read it, love it.... congrats to the NVA
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Ki'li
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Posted - 2003.09.16 03:29:00 -
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for what its worth jade I always find your posts to be enlightning and enjoyable read. Your use of the english language and your obviously broad grasp on vocabulary are a rare site on these forums when most people spout off insults in l337 sp34|<
You are a great story teller and know how to inspire your allies and troops. Im glad to see you felt our small corporation was worth mentioning even if we have not made a huge impact on the current war.
People insult you and belittle you for "spinning" truths. When it happens in every war from both sides. (Real life and in game) I atleast know I follow a charismatic leader who inspires me and who makes me feel like im simply doing the right thing.
I read your post in its entirety. I feel moved, enligightened and inspired. You have Reikoku's and my own respect and admiration. And we will continue to support you until the war has reached an end.
Ki'li
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Presidio
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Posted - 2003.09.16 04:10:00 -
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Stavros, must have some uber scanners, he knows what's going on in Venal from 30+ jumps out. heh
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"Passivity is fatal to us. Our goal is to make the enemy passive."
Mao Tse-tung
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Shamrock
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Posted - 2003.09.16 04:48:00 -
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Evolution
Shamrock
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Dorian Aredes
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Posted - 2003.09.16 07:36:00 -
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I read it and enjoyed it. I always love reading your posts, Jade. All the flames they receive just makes it more fun.
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Hardin
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Posted - 2003.09.16 08:50:00 -
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Edited by: Hardin on 16/09/2003 08:51:26
Ms. Constantspin
I have to admit I have not read your treatise yet...
Not enough hours in the day and all that
I have one question however!
You wrote all that when you could have been out killing TTi ships? Did they have you trapped in a station or something?
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Drutort
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Posted - 2003.09.16 09:04:00 -
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man i love reading this stuff.... even some of that TTI stuff... but the TTI reports really *****ed me up... i had to stop reading them for a bit...
the one thing i dont enjoy is the personal attacks... your lack of interest or lack of ability to compare in writing shows in doing so...
a better way would be not to even bother, if you cant come up with anything better then personal attacks.
Jade should get a job or position in EVE to write RPG stuff... hehe
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Miso
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Posted - 2003.09.16 09:16:00 -
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Jade does her job and she does it well.
Some people carry the fight with hybrids and lasers, others with words and actions. It doesn't matter how you fight the war, as long as you win it. One thing is for sure - you need a balance of both.
Kudos Jade.
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2003.09.16 09:29:00 -
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Wether people bite or not, wether it's true or not, it's still a great story.
Kinda reminds me od the old days, with extra venom on top.
[Heterocephalus glaber]
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KIAEddZ
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Posted - 2003.09.16 10:25:00 -
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Fantastic lyrical prose.
Enjoyed very much. Shame about most of the bs that follows it, but i guess that was to be expected.
N1 Jade.
/doffs cap
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Miso
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Posted - 2003.09.16 11:12:00 -
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Fantastic lyrical prose.
Enjoyed very much. Shame about most of the bs that follows it, but i guess that was to be expected.
N1 Jade.
/doffs cap
Yeah, im getting kind of sick of it. There are all these people complaining about a lack of content in eve, and there are players like Jade and others, generating content and driving a storyline, and all they get back in return is bull****!
If you haven't got the wit to be constructive or a part of the story, go back to mining and saving for your stupid crappy battleship and leave the rest to enjoy ourselves.
*gets of soapbox, returns to flogging her Amarrian sex-slave*
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starmist
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Posted - 2003.09.16 11:35:00 -
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This is one of the most eloquent conflict reports I have ever read on this forum. Keep up the good work.
If it upsets TTI and their friends they should stop whining and post a report of their own.
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vf142rex
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Posted - 2003.09.16 12:11:00 -
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"Yeah, im getting kind of sick of it. There are all these people complaining about a lack of content in eve, and there are players like Jade and others, generating content and driving a storyline, and all they get back in return is bull****!"
If you think a bunch of, for the most part peaceful corps, slugging it out for the sake of,,,what is it again? Oh yeah, nobody really knows what they are fighting for. How is this storyline? I'll bet you anything that the majority of these corps would rather be making money than fighting this pointless war. Pretty little posts like Jade's doesn't make it content, when it is a bunch of sheep being herded.
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Maud Dib
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Posted - 2003.09.16 12:18:00 -
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So many threads... but fascinating.
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I have fought and will fight for the ideals of the NVA.
What ideals are those Maud Dib? Is not the heart of this "civil war" simply the artistry of Kanly?
So this is simple vendetta then - with the NVA raising the most converts to their banner so far by positioning themselves as the champions of justice and stability in the region.  (and the fact that TTI made too many enemies at once, perhaps?)
So what if the NVA secures the region from piracy and lawlessness (or what really sounds a lot more like defeating those who once betrayed them and their allies...)? Is that when the shopping malls go in and "love and peace" Jade leads everyone in singing kumbaya while they all mine freely together (with Alliance warships patrolling the perimeters)?
Some kinda 0 sec space gated commune? Oh wait, in a NVA post I see vague mentions of "tithes"... How about a bottom line somewhere? Does the NVA plan to govern the region permanently and what laws would they institute therein (assuming they have the strength to enforce them)?
For some perhaps it is Kanly indeed and well do I respect that honored tradition. For others though it is a refutation of the the sad idea that one cannot achieve success with honor and dignity. That in times of need you stand by your brothers or sisters no matter what the price. That not all things in life can be measured in isk. That loyalty is beyond price and friendship the most valued coin.
-iconoclast
"The warrior doesn't care if he's called a beast or a dog; the main thing is winning."
Asakura Norikage
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Miso
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Posted - 2003.09.16 13:02:00 -
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If you think a bunch of, for the most part peaceful corps, slugging it out for the sake of,,,what is it again? Oh yeah, nobody really knows what they are fighting for. How is this storyline? I'll bet you anything that the majority of these corps would rather be making money than fighting this pointless war. Pretty little posts like Jade's doesn't make it content, when it is a bunch of sheep being herded.
Who asked you? Go and mine for your BS, so you can sit in yet another roid belt and mine for another BS... ad infinitum.
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Athule Snanm
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Posted - 2003.09.16 13:49:00 -
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"Yeah, im getting kind of sick of it. There are all these people complaining about a lack of content in eve, and there are players like Jade and others, generating content and driving a storyline, and all they get back in return is bull****!"
If you think a bunch of, for the most part peaceful corps, slugging it out for the sake of,,,what is it again? Oh yeah, nobody really knows what they are fighting for. How is this storyline? I'll bet you anything that the majority of these corps would rather be making money than fighting this pointless war. Pretty little posts like Jade's doesn't make it content, when it is a bunch of sheep being herded.
Would I rather be at peace? Would I rather be in my bestower again doing trade routes I've barely touched for the best part of a month now? Of course!
Am I willing to ignore the war that was declared by TTi on me and half of the old VA? Can I ignore the massive multiple bounties on my CEO? Am I willing to stand by and let the worst (and by that I don't mean dangerous) pirates M3G4 ride roughshod over my home, neighbours and allies? Am I willing to stand by whilst a corporation that has block booked multiple unused offices in Venal, squeezes out the little man with unscrupulous practices such as those?
People with principles aren't sheep - they're the people who Ragnar thought he could crush in a week and who have so far repelled every attack. We're there - TTi are not. Unless you count the mighty Derek, locked in his ivory tower sharing sob-stories with the rest of TTi. These are people from corporations large and small for whom the value of honour and loyalty isn't measured in how much ISK they can make this week.
Stabbing people in the back whilst still claiming to be the good guys may have got you somewhere in the short term - but look at where you are now, bed mates of M3G4, two lonely cut-throats with nowhere else to turn.
TTi constantly say that they only do things for their own advantage - well the people you've taken advantage of this time aren't the robot sellers and buyers your corporation uses to shut down the markets, they are real thinking living people. You cannot roll your friends over a barrel with a jar of axle grease in one hand and pretend it never happened the next week. You want an end to the war? You'd better come up with something more concrete than a few comments about wanting to mine in peace and denials about what has led to this situation.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.16 13:53:00 -
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You cannot roll your friends over a barrel with a jar of axle grease in one hand and pretend it never happened the next week.
You've almost killed me here athule! I can't stop laughing at that one!
Love and peace (and no barrels and axle grease!)
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ChandraGupta
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Posted - 2003.09.16 15:10:00 -
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Jade how much time do you have on your hands?
How long does it take to spin something like that report out ... its gotta be more than an hour for sure yes ?
Just curious
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.16 15:44:00 -
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To everyone who has taken the time to post positive encouraging comments, thank you, I appreciate your thoughts and do please be assured that I will continue to produce such material to memorialise events and happenstance in game.
Rubbishy flames and personal attacks really donÆt affect me at all. Every time I see a TTi exec or affiliated sycophant posting nonsense personal jibes or warping the truth of what happened I just smile, sip my cup of coffee, and know for myself; that the point is being made as eloquently by the presence of this low-grade rubbish as ever it was by my own literary efforts to begin with.
Taggart in-game is a morally bankrupt organisation with the ethics of the gutter. No villainy is thought too vile for their members to practise and rejoice in. No surprise then, that their propagandists and spin-doctors should replicate the trend in the forum of public relations. ItÆs clear from the past fifteen days of debate that Taggart has no answers to the charges laid against them, no excuse for their actions, no justification, no explanation and no shame, for what has been the most villainous treachery in the recent history of Eve.
All that remains now is to punish this outlaw corporation for its deeds.
Now a few specific responses;
KiÆli, you are doing the right thing. There is a hard limit to the achievements of any ôspin-doctorö or propagandist; one cannot make a dream from corruption and foulness. The most important quality of inspiration is truth. My job has been an easy one, because TaggartÆs villainy is self-evident. All I have done is marshal facts to present them in clear and precise order, most of time Taggart execs do the work for me, so pompous and proud are they in false-renown and wicked self-love.
Dorian, I confess I do enjoy a certain dark amusement at some of the more nonsensical flames; itÆs a little like watching a freak-show on parade with these would-be Taggartites and their stumbling disapproval.
Hardin, do be original, from almost the first response mr Derek of Taggart admits that hiding in a station is just what he is doing. Oh, and by the by, if it takes you more than half an hour to read 3000 words then I think youÆd better not cancel the subscription to the Beano just yet.
Vf142rex, I thought you left? (Again). I think we all know what we are fighting for. Do you? And have you edited your words back into the interview thread yet mÆdear? (To explain to readers who may not have seen this chap in action, Vf142rex is one of the TTi crowd who dares not speak his loyalties below his avatar. In debate with me elsewhere he admitted some unfortunate truths, and then when questioned and pressed he went back and edited them out to save his debating position. Pretty low tactics I think we can all agree.)
ChandraGupta, this one took a few hours on and off. But then, I was distracted watching series two of West Wing. I had always intended to write a retrospective piece on the war because there was a lot of interest in the original thread. I hate it myself when stories end with a whimper. I believe the community deserved to be kept up to date.
Anyway m'dears, toodle-pip!
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Miso
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Posted - 2003.09.16 15:52:00 -
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Hardin, .... if it takes you more than half an hour to read 3000 words then I think youÆd better not cancel the subscription to the Beano just yet.
Ouch! And I thought that I was the only one to administer a hearty thwack to Hardin!
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vf142rex
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Posted - 2003.09.16 16:15:00 -
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What jade has failed to add is the fact that after editing out my post, which was addressed to her, I started a conversation with her ingame to clarify my point. The convo probably took around 25-30 minutes. I didn't see the point in writing for 30 minutes and posting it on here. My issue was with jade, and the issue was resolved with Jade. I asked jade to send me the log of the convo, as my connection dropped multiple times throughout. Jade has failed to come through on sending this convo, however, because once I have it, she will no longer have the luxury of ignoring me.
Athule: Maybe you shouldn't respond to me, since your leader doesn't see me fit.
"Who asked you? Go and mine for your BS, so you can sit in yet another roid belt and mine for another BS... ad infinitum.
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Lets see,,,if thats what I find enjoyable in eve, why is it your business to tell me that I shouldn't?
"You want an end to the war? You'd better come up with something more concrete than a few comments about wanting to mine in peace and denials about what has led to this situation."
Okay, stay tuned.
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Lonagan Nash
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Posted - 2003.09.16 16:27:00 -
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Speaking of personal attacks...
"No villainy is thought too vile for their members to practise and rejoice in."
And the chorus swells!
Gotta' love sentational generalizations. Truly you take your art to the highest levels. The full effect is lost however unless one hums a patriotic hymm whilst reading it. Unfortunatly garbage is still garbage no mater what pretty dress you put it in.
One question though... You mention Jericho loosing hundreds of millions ISK in the "war for TTI." I was wondering where those loses came from. I don't recall you ever mentioning this before.
And to save you the trouble:
The latest TTI sychophant, bootlicker, yes-man, waterboy, toadie, etc... 
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