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X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
2020
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Posted - 2014.02.12 17:32:00 -
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http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Caldari_VS_Gallente#kills24
As of this moment (not a weekend), there were: 8 systems with more than 200 kills in the last 24 hours. 19 systems with more than 100 kills, and 44 systems with more than 50 kills.
This is a ridiculous amount of pvp. Much of it has to do with Brave Newbies, Eve Uni moving into Southern Placid, Snigwaffe moving back to Kinakka, (We Fight in Ouelletta, Stay Frosty. at 180+ members in VV) and many more corps filling up our area of low sec. As a long time veteran who joined when the only two active systems on the map were OMS and Tama, this amount of pew is quite remarkable.
+1 to all you bloodthirsty pilots out there. |

Hrett
Justified Chaos
333
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Posted - 2014.02.12 17:45:00 -
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Yeah, its been a blast. I wish I had more time to play, but its nice that in the little time I do have I can log on and get almost instant pvp. I'm probably typing on an iPad, which means the auto-correct is silly and fixing typos is a pain. I ain't fixing them. |

Liam Inkuras
Mafia Redux Phobia.
838
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Posted - 2014.02.12 21:10:00 -
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The wrecks will blot out the sun! I wear my goggles at night.
Any spelling/grammatical errors come complimentary with my typing on a phone |

Soldarius
Deadman W0nderland Test Alliance Please Ignore
524
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Posted - 2014.02.12 22:27:00 -
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When I lived in Black Rise almost 5 years ago, there was little to no activity at all. Just the typical losec pirate gate campers living in Kinakka, Quiet.Storm, and BOLEG. It was pretty nearly deserted.
FW was nothing more than an aborted wet dream and uniterated "content".
The current state of affairs in Black Rise and adjacent Gallente losec is so far beyond what it used to be, CCP really should be very proud and hold the current state of FW up as a shining example of what they can do when they actually iterate on content.
Well done. Free Ripley Weaver! |

Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
249
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Posted - 2014.02.13 02:55:00 -
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Soldarius wrote:When I lived in Black Rise almost 5 years ago, there was little to no activity at all. Just the typical losec pirate gate campers living in Kinakka, Quiet.Storm, and BOLEG. It was pretty nearly deserted.
FW was nothing more than an aborted wet dream and uniterated "content".
The current state of affairs in Black Rise and adjacent Gallente losec is so far beyond what it used to be, CCP really should be very proud and hold the current state of FW up as a shining example of what they can do when they actually iterate on content.
Well done.
Your alliance also deserves some credit for getting things going.
3-4 months ago things were fairly settled. Soul Takers camped the Villore gate in OMS daily, Nasranite Watch did their thing and Justified Chaos and a few other Galmil groups had control around their home system.
After TEST announced the move to TAMA all hell broke lose, especially in Heydieles and OMS before you moved and the whole time you were staged out of TAMA the GalCal FW area was ablaze.
When you guys more or less moved out again it went a little bit quieter for a few weeks (since Christmas last year it was a bit quieter), but great to see it ablaze again. |

Ciba Lexlulu
Stay Frosty.
38
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Posted - 2014.02.13 10:22:00 -
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Yeah lots of PVP. But if anyone bother to dig deeper at the loss mails, many of them are triple-stabbed t1 frigs with no gun. Fitting 'pvp'' ships in these regions to catch farmers mean fitting two scrams or arty fit with sebos.
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Castnicke Rinah
Black Fox Marauders
5
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Posted - 2014.02.13 14:43:00 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote: After TEST announced the move to TAMA all hell broke lose, especially in Heydieles and OMS before you moved and the whole time you were staged out of TAMA the GalCal FW area was ablaze.
When you guys more or less moved out again it went a little bit quieter for a few weeks (since Christmas last year it was a bit quieter), but great to see it ablaze again.
Except they lived in Tamo and then later Innia.
Heyd/OMS was busy because GalMil had decided to flip those systems. TEST happened to join CalMil just as that campaign finished up. |

Veskrashen
Justified Chaos
79
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Posted - 2014.02.13 15:13:00 -
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Ciba Lexlulu wrote:Yeah lots of PVP. But if anyone bother to dig deeper at the loss mails, many of them are triple-stabbed t1 frigs with no gun. Fitting 'pvp'' ships in these regions to catch farmers mean fitting two scrams or arty fit with sebos.
Nowhere near true. Sure, there's plenty of risk averse farmers, but they're a relative minority as long as you're actually looking for a fight. Patrol the pipes, hang out near popular militia hubs, and you'll see a lot more actual fleets and folks spoiling for a fight.
What happens in backwater farmville systems is a totally different story. Change your hunting grounds, get a new target set. |

X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
2029
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Posted - 2014.02.13 16:25:00 -
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Ciba Lexlulu wrote:Yeah lots of PVP. But if anyone bother to dig deeper at the loss mails, many of them are triple-stabbed t1 frigs with no gun. Fitting 'pvp'' ships in these regions to catch farmers mean fitting two scrams or arty fit with sebos.
Even if half of them were farmers(they aren't), the numbers would still be pretty amazing.
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Princess Nexxala
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
639
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Posted - 2014.02.13 18:25:00 -
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Tama Tama Tama I'm CEO *****.
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Deerin
Murientor Tribe Defiant Legacy
209
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Posted - 2014.02.14 14:57:00 -
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Soldarius wrote:CCP really should be very proud and hold the current state of FW up as a shining example of what they can do when they actually iterate on content.
It still needs a bit more polish. Then it will shine. Still....the amount of pew compared to past is really good.
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Estella Osoka
Deep Void Merc Syndicate Sicarius Draconis
320
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Posted - 2014.02.14 19:58:00 -
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And yet all the attention is still focused on nullsec sov blocs. FW provides more kills, yet the news still focuses on the cap/supercap/titan kills. I can understand why, but out of the 2; which is bringing more content? In my view it should be the one providing the more enjoyable fights, and not the 8+ hours of click F1 every hour or so TIDI bullshit. |

Princess Nexxala
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
640
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Posted - 2014.02.19 18:52:00 -
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But that **** is pro yo
Estella Osoka wrote:8+ hours of click F1 every hour or so TIDI bullshit.
I'm CEO *****.
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Sean Parisi
Fugutive Task Force A T O N E M E N T
504
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Posted - 2014.02.20 01:17:00 -
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Biggest bonfire party ever. |

IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome Caldari State Capturing
934
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Posted - 2014.02.20 01:58:00 -
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Estella Osoka wrote:And yet all the attention is still focused on nullsec sov blocs. FW provides more kills, yet the news still focuses on the cap/supercap/titan kills. I can understand why, but out of the 2; which is bringing more content? In my view it should be the one providing the more enjoyable fights, and not the 8+ hours of click F1 every hour or so TIDI bullshit.
I think CCP look after who ever buys the most plex packs tbh.
Alliance/New Eden Open tourney is a great example of the same issue. Are the tourney competitors the best pvpers in new eden each year? Not even close. Are they the richest who can dump/waste money on plex?? Hell yes.
Another shining example is the 'lets make monuments for null battles within a few days but fw might get a tweak to a single parameter in the code in 2 years' crap that goes on.
Low sec people generally dont spend $3k of our hard earned cash on plex so we can buy a titan and pilot. Nullbears will do that and CCP know it.
That said: I am reasonably happy with where FW is atm. The only real thing that needs changing is cloaks and stabs should offline in FW plexes cause 'interference from blah blah is causing blah blah not to function you stabbed cloaky ******** biatch'. (They already do it for fw wts in opposing high sec so its no biggie for CCP to fix plexing) If you want to get your soul to heaven, trust in me. Now don't judge or question. You are broken now, but faith can heal you. Just do everything I tell you to do. (Opiate - Tool) |

Almiel
The Mjolnir Bloc
9
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Posted - 2014.02.20 02:05:00 -
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IbanezLaney wrote:
I think CCP look after who ever buys the most plex packs tbh.
Alliance/New Eden Open tourney is a great example of the same issue. Are the tourney competitors the best pvpers in new eden each year? Not even close. Are they the richest who can dump/waste money on plex?? Hell yes.
Another shining example is the 'lets make monuments for null battles within a few days but fw might get a tweak to a single parameter in the code in 2 years' crap that goes on.
Low sec people generally dont spend $3k of our hard earned cash on plex so we can buy a titan and pilot. Nullbears will do that and CCP know it.
That said: I am reasonably happy with where FW is atm. The only real thing that needs changing is cloaks and stabs should offline in FW plexes cause 'interference from blah blah is causing blah blah not to function you stabbed cloaky ******** biatch'. (They already do it for fw wts in opposing high sec so its no biggie for CCP to fix plexing)
Agree with you here mate. CCP is a business and are going to follow the dollar signs.
Also on being happy with where fw's at right now. I don't even need any changes, fw doesn't need to be perfectly balanced and having the imbalances gets the ideas flowing thinking of ways to counter them.
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Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders
1
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Posted - 2014.02.20 03:02:00 -
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IbanezLaney wrote: That said: I am reasonably happy with where FW is atm. The only real thing that needs changing is cloaks and stabs should offline in FW plexes cause 'interference from blah blah is causing blah blah not to function you stabbed cloaky ******** biatch'. (They already do it for fw wts in opposing high sec so its no biggie for CCP to fix plexing)
Timer Rollbacks (at 5x speed) would be better imo.
Unfortunately, farmers can just as easily farm & run in an empty hull. But with timer rollbacks, a 'patrolling' PVP-er will totally ruin their cowardly & greedy endeavours.
With timer rollbacks, I would expect lp-farming to grind to a halt in every 'busy' system. |

Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch
689
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Posted - 2014.02.20 04:45:00 -
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Gully Alex Foyle wrote:IbanezLaney wrote: That said: I am reasonably happy with where FW is atm. The only real thing that needs changing is cloaks and stabs should offline in FW plexes cause 'interference from blah blah is causing blah blah not to function you stabbed cloaky ******** biatch'. (They already do it for fw wts in opposing high sec so its no biggie for CCP to fix plexing)
Timer Rollbacks (at 5x speed) would be better imo. Unfortunately, farmers can just as easily farm & run in an empty hull. But with timer rollbacks, a 'patrolling' PVP-er will totally ruin their cowardly & greedy endeavours. With timer rollbacks, I would expect lp-farming to grind to a halt in every 'busy' system.
timer rollback would be just way to deny system capturing without using much time by defender.
Idea of system capturing is that who spends most time in plexes should win, clear and simple, no matter if ship is empty player still uses time in there.
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Deacon Abox
Justified Chaos
297
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Posted - 2014.02.20 04:59:00 -
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Bad Messenger wrote:Gully Alex Foyle wrote:IbanezLaney wrote: That said: I am reasonably happy with where FW is atm. The only real thing that needs changing is cloaks and stabs should offline in FW plexes cause 'interference from blah blah is causing blah blah not to function you stabbed cloaky ******** biatch'. (They already do it for fw wts in opposing high sec so its no biggie for CCP to fix plexing)
Timer Rollbacks (at 5x speed) would be better imo. Unfortunately, farmers can just as easily farm & run in an empty hull. But with timer rollbacks, a 'patrolling' PVP-er will totally ruin their cowardly & greedy endeavours. With timer rollbacks, I would expect lp-farming to grind to a halt in every 'busy' system. timer rollback would be just way to deny system capturing without using much time by defender. Idea of system capturing is that who spends most time in plexes should win, clear and simple, no matter if ship is empty player still uses time in there. Wow, I find myself agreeing with Ibanez and Bad. Yes , cloaks and stabs should not function in plexes. And I think timer rollbacks would hurt dplexing just as much as oplexing, reward pirates too much in the fw space, and just lead to stagnation. So, make the noob plexing alts at least prioritize more training into navigation  |

IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome Caldari State Capturing
937
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Posted - 2014.02.20 05:28:00 -
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Gully Alex Foyle wrote:IbanezLaney wrote: That said: I am reasonably happy with where FW is atm. The only real thing that needs changing is cloaks and stabs should offline in FW plexes cause 'interference from blah blah is causing blah blah not to function you stabbed cloaky ******** biatch'. (They already do it for fw wts in opposing high sec so its no biggie for CCP to fix plexing)
Timer Rollbacks (at 5x speed) would be better imo. Unfortunately, farmers can just as easily farm & run in an empty hull. But with timer rollbacks, a 'patrolling' PVP-er will totally ruin their cowardly & greedy endeavours. With timer rollbacks, I would expect lp-farming to grind to a halt in every 'busy' system.
Both ideas will get the same result.
It is also a good idea to kill the 'friendlies' if they are cloaky stabby farmers and set their entire corp KOS on the spot. If more corps did this - players could solve the issue without CCP fixing anything.
A few missions a week and the standing hits from killing them are 'fixed'.
If you want to get your soul to heaven, trust in me. Now don't judge or question. You are broken now, but faith can heal you. Just do everything I tell you to do. (Opiate - Tool) |
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chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
693
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Posted - 2014.02.20 06:15:00 -
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IbanezLaney wrote:[quote=Gully Alex Foyle][quote=IbanezLaney] A few missions a week and the standing hits from killing them are 'fixed'.
The missions stop giving you faction (not corp) standing after the first time you rank up. |

IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome Caldari State Capturing
939
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Posted - 2014.02.20 06:49:00 -
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chatgris wrote:IbanezLaney wrote:[quote=Gully Alex Foyle][quote=IbanezLaney] A few missions a week and the standing hits from killing them are 'fixed'.
The missions stop giving you faction (not corp) standing after the first time you rank up.
Yeah I noticed that, it doesnt seem to drop too much (as long as I dont pod)- For now my Caldari standing is still very high. Eventually it could become an issue.
If I was sensible I would just train a blank account slot for a few weeks to do it. The corp can buffer a -10 to Caldari toon standings wise - then it wont matter too much if I get carried away and pod them.
If you want to get your soul to heaven, trust in me. Now don't judge or question. You are broken now, but faith can heal you. Just do everything I tell you to do. (Opiate - Tool) |

Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders
3
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Posted - 2014.02.20 09:50:00 -
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Bad Messenger wrote:
timer rollback would be just way to deny system capturing without using much time by defender.
Idea of system capturing is that who spends most time in plexes should win, clear and simple, no matter if ship is empty player still uses time in there.
Woot? Since when do PVP-ers value 'spending time in an empty ship' (aka 'the boredom war' ) vs. the ability to hold a plex - or kick somebody out of it - with superior force?
Yeah stagnation, pirate influence etc. may be an issue, but it could be solved with a good rollback mechanic:
1) BAD: Rollback when plex is 'contested' (empty, or just neutrals, or both gal and cal mil) --> yeah, not a great idea
2) GOOD: Rollback only when plex is being 'captured' by one of the militias --> much better imo
To clarify: - Bad Messenger oplexes a small plex in Fliet - runs timer from 15 down to 5 mins - BM safes up for an urgent bio - A pirate warps into the plex. Timer is still frozen at 5 mins (NO ROLLBACK) - BM warps in, kills pirate. BM proceeds to further run down timer from 5 min to 2 min - I warp in, engage BM. After an epic 5 min 1v1, he gets lucky and kills me (he probably had links too). Timer was frozen at 2mins during the whole fight. BM loots my ship and proceeds to finish his 2 mins left - 1 min later, Deacon warps in. BM ***** his pants and warps out! \o/ for Galmil - ONLY NOW DOES THE ROLLBACK KICK-IN: Deacon starts with the timer showing 29mins for Galmil, but it takes him MUCH LESS THAN 14mins, say 2-3 mins (so 5x speed) to get that timer back to the original 15mins - Once timer has 'rolled back' to 15mins, it resumes counting in 'real time' as long as Deacon (or another Galmil) runs the plex
I honestly cannot be sure I considered all possible implications, but seems to me that THIS kind of rollback: 1) would put farmers out of business 2) would favor pew 3) would not give more power to pirates 4) could actually lead to a more dynamic warzone for the PVP-ers: IF you have a better fleet than ze enemy, you could both attack and defend more effectively
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Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders
3
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Posted - 2014.02.20 10:34:00 -
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IbanezLaney wrote:chatgris wrote:IbanezLaney wrote:[quote=Gully Alex Foyle][quote=IbanezLaney] A few missions a week and the standing hits from killing them are 'fixed'.
The missions stop giving you faction (not corp) standing after the first time you rank up. Yeah I noticed that, it doesnt seem to drop too much (as long as I dont pod)- For now my Caldari standing is still very high. Eventually it could become an issue. If I was sensible I would just train a blank account slot for a few weeks to do it. The corp can buffer a -10 to Caldari toon standings wise - then it wont matter too much if I get carried away and pod them.
Emergent gameplay at its finest. Add some roleplay for bonus lulz:
Put 'Military Police' in toon's bio.
Introduce a standard termination notice :"FarmerAlt23, you have been found guilty of warzone looting and possesion of illegal farming equipment (cloaks&stabs). You will be terminated on behalf of the Caldari State / Gallente Federation".
Give him a free fitted derptron so he can 'redeem himself' by 'serving his time' as a 'conscript'. |

Rahelis
Amarrian Vengeance Team Amarrica
29
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Posted - 2014.02.20 10:48:00 -
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All that love FW should form a kind of inofficial ally. All four militas.
Get all FW systems to vul and leave them there - no one of us needs plex lps.
Forbid all corps outrside the "ally" to flip ihubs - at the threat of a war dec.
Kill all fleets that try to bash an ihub.
War dec all farmer corps if possible - many are in npc corps oc. Scram/web farmers in our own mili and call in WT for clean-up kills.
Destroy all pie gangs that show up. Blue other milies for that.
Destroy all null bear gangs that show up. Blue other milies for that.
Destroy all pos`s and custom offiicies that are not run by FW corps. Moon are ****** enough - burn them all.
Fight your milita enemies as hard as you can - but also work together to make FW even better.
Null bears should be contained to their ****** space and rot there - having all the fun and greatness of being F1 drones.
Hunt down all kill all wh bears that have to move through our space.
We are about 2000-2500 (all four militas) pilots in FW - all should petition CCP about known issues in FW - like stabs in plexes . . . keep spamming petitions until CCP gets moving.
Make a standard petition about stuff we hate and spam in every day. |

Veskrashen
Justified Chaos
84
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Posted - 2014.02.20 13:01:00 -
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Stabs and cloaks in plexes are not an issue at all. A stabbed / cloaky farmer can do nothing at all to keep you from capturing that plex if you want it.
The issue is that you have to put more time into capping it than they do.
Timer rollbacks at greater than 1:1 speed give too much advantage to defensive plexers in contested systems. Think of how many times a contested plex got handed back and forth between fleets when there was a major push. Advantage would be huge for those who could reship fastest.
My preferred solution is just parallel timers: both sides have an X minute timer to complete, first one across the finish line wins. You're not penalized either way, attacking or defending.
Now that we've fully derailed this thread into yet another cloaky stabbed farmer whine, shall we get back to posting about the uptick in actual combat in the warzone?
Awesome. |

Epikurus
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
13
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Posted - 2014.02.20 14:26:00 -
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Veskrashen wrote:
My preferred solution is just parallel timers: both sides have an X minute timer to complete, first one across the finish line wins. You're not penalized either way, attacking or defending.
This is definitely the way forward. Far better in all ways to an increased rollback, which would make life far too easy for the defenders. |

Ayuren Aakiwa
Four Letter Incantation
94
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Posted - 2014.02.20 15:51:00 -
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Rahelis wrote:All that love FW should form a kind of inofficial ally. All four militas.
Get all FW systems to vul and leave them there - no one of us needs plex lps.
Forbid all corps outrside the "ally" to flip ihubs - at the threat of a war dec.
Kill all fleets that try to bash an ihub.
War dec all farmer corps if possible - many are in npc corps oc. Scram/web farmers in our own mili and call in WT for clean-up kills.
Destroy all pie gangs that show up. Blue other milies for that.
Destroy all null bear gangs that show up. Blue other milies for that.
Destroy all pos`s and custom offiicies that are not run by FW corps. Moon are ****** enough - burn them all.
Fight your milita enemies as hard as you can - but also work together to make FW even better.
Null bears should be contained to their ****** space and rot there - having all the fun and greatness of being F1 drones.
Hunt down all kill all wh bears that have to move through our space.
We are about 2000-2500 (all four militas) pilots in FW - all should petition CCP about known issues in FW - like stabs in plexes . . . keep spamming petitions until CCP gets moving.
Make a standard petition about stuff we hate and spam in every day.
U r dumb 
pew pew 24/7 |

Thanatos Marathon
Black Fox Marauders
162
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Posted - 2014.02.20 16:26:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Caldari_VS_Gallente#kills24
As of this moment (not a weekend), there were: 8 systems with more than 200 kills in the last 24 hours. 19 systems with more than 100 kills, and 44 systems with more than 50 kills.
This is a ridiculous amount of pvp. Much of it has to do with Brave Newbies, Eve Uni moving into Southern Placid, Snigwaffe moving back to Kinakka, (We Fight in Ouelletta, Stay Frosty. at 180+ members in VV) and many more corps filling up our area of low sec. As a long time veteran who joined when the only two active systems on the map were OMS and Tama, this amount of pew is quite remarkable.
+1 to all you bloodthirsty pilots out there.
More pew = more fun! BLFOX is currently recruiting |

Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
6299
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Posted - 2014.02.20 20:20:00 -
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One time bump to fix forum. |
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