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Patricia Tannis
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.02.14 16:59:00 -
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Hello everyone; I need a hand.
I've been running some level fours recently in Amarr space and have started to get a feel for them. I was using a Sleipnir which seemed decent until I lost it after messing up on Worlds Collide. Sigh.
Anyway, I fancied a change, so started looking at the newfangled MJD, particularly in regard to sniping.
Most of the fits online are built around sentry drones, but I'd like some suggestions built around artillery.
Is this a terrible idea? I have good gunnery skills and imagine one of the tempest hulls might work. I can't use Marauders at this point. If anyone has any ideas they would be very much appreciated.
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Estella Osoka
Deep Void Merc Syndicate Sicarius Draconis
320
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Posted - 2014.02.14 19:20:00 -
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[Tempest, Sniper] Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II
Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Script Large Micro Jump Drive 100MN Afterburner II Large Shield Extender II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L [empty high slot] [empty high slot]
Large Ancillary Current Router I Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Large Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I
Blap frigates first. Remember it take 3 minutes before you can use the MJD again. |

Batelle
Komm susser Tod
1768
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Posted - 2014.02.14 22:55:00 -
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I would think artillery are the worst gun for mjd sniping because you're still fighting in falloff. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |

Caleidascope
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
471
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Posted - 2014.02.15 14:40:00 -
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Batelle wrote:I would think artillery are the worst gun for mjd sniping because you're still fighting in falloff. Kinda hard to kill angels with lasers. Life is short and dinner time is chancy Eat dessert first! |

Khadrea Shakor
Shakor Freight and Mining Service
18
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Posted - 2014.02.15 17:10:00 -
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Maelstrom, maybe? Plug in a few cheap +3's (MR, SS, LP) and you got over 12K aplha. Group 3-3-2 for frig blapping. Drop to Meta4 LSE if having trouble fitting. Or buy a EG-603. Keep in mind that 16 sec guncycle and the ~3minute MJD cooldown though.
[Maelstrom, Sniper] Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Tracking Enhancer II
Large Micro Jump Drive Large Shield Extender II EM Ward Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
Large Projectile Collision Accelerator I Large Ancillary Current Router I Large Core Defense Field Extender II
Hobgoblin II x5 Bouncer II x3
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Loraine Gess
Confedeferate Union of Tax Legalists
87
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Posted - 2014.02.16 16:18:00 -
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Solution: Don't fit a MJD, just don't fit like a ****** and die to world's collide... |

Patricia Tannis
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.02.16 21:12:00 -
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Loraine Gess wrote:Solution: Don't fit a MJD, just don't fit like a ****** and die to world's collide...
Thanks for the advice, champ.
I wanted to try artillery on a larger scale after flying the Sleipnir. I got popped after being webbed and scrammed, and lost my drones to some elite frigates (Sleip can only carry 5 lights).
You'll be pleased to know I went ahead and fitted a MJD, though your comment caused me to take a long, hard look at myself. The Tempest packs a punch, but feels fragile and a lot slower. |

Noxisia Arkana
Deadspace Knights
162
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Posted - 2014.02.17 14:39:00 -
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I've Beared plenty. The only time I've lost a battleship is in worlds collide. Dual rep 7 slot tank domi in room 3.
MJD is a great tool. Plus you can keep a depot in your cargohold and use it as a GTFO gadget.
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Estella Osoka
Deep Void Merc Syndicate Sicarius Draconis
322
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Posted - 2014.02.17 15:32:00 -
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The difference between the Maelstrom and the Tempest, is that the Tempest can fit an AB along with the MJD. Thus allowing you to keep cruisers, BCs, and BS at range. Only thing to worry about are frigs, which you can blap as they will burn right towards you and have 0 angular velocity. You should still be able to one shot cruisers, 2 shot BCs, and prolly 4 shot BS.
So the tradeoff is manueverability vs. bigger buffer tank. I would go with manueverabilty every time. Note: Do not go up against missiles in a buffer tank; you will eventually lose and have to warp out. I have found that Angels, Serpentis, Drones, and Blood Raiders can't hit for **** when you are about 100km from them. |

Marc Callan
Interstellar Steel Templis CALSF
420
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Posted - 2014.02.17 15:52:00 -
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If you've got some spare powergrid on a Maelstrom, don't forget that its defensive bonus is to shield boosting, so an LSB or XLSB are generally good defensive options. "Nevertheless a prince ought to inspire fear in such a way that, if he does not win love, he avoids hatred..." - Niccolo Machiavelli-á |

Jeanne-Luise Argenau
Cruis3r's Cr3w Inc.
73
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Posted - 2014.02.17 17:57:00 -
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i just made one on the fly which i would use (turrets atleast in 2 groups) and the amplifiers will be rat specific
[Maelstrom, Mission]
8x 1200mm Artillery Cannon II (EMP L)
Large Micro Jump Drive Gist C-Type X-Large Shield Booster Explosive Deflection Amplifier II Kinetic Deflection Amplifier II 2x Tracking Computer II (Optimal Range Script)
4x Gyrostabilizer II Damage Control II
Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Large Projectile Burst Aerator II Large Core Defense Capacitor Safeguard I
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norkul Shillferoo
EVE University Ivy League
0
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Posted - 2014.02.17 18:15:00 -
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Use a maelstrom, but you should not passive tank it like the fit earlier, and you should not rig it with defense screens, you'll just be using two mission-specific hardeners. This is the fit I currently fly with.
[Maelstrom, Arty Maelstrom]
Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script Large Micro Jump Drive Shield Boost Amplifier II Domination X-Large Shield Booster Kinetic Deflection Field II Explosive Deflection Field II
1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion L 1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion L 1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion L 1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion L 1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion L 1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion L 1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion L 1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion L
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Ancillary Current Router I
You can decide for yourself how many gyros and how many tracking enhancers you want, but I just use 3/2. The tank on that is very good, I would not reccomend using a faction shield booster though over the tech II if you can fit it, they have the same tank, just different fitting and burst. Additionally, if you have AWU IV you could drop the ANC rig. I use the shield boost amplifier II, but if you don't have shield management V you could totally get away with a meta module, Your tank is very strong in a maelstrom anyway. (also don't use 1200's, they have less dps, and I can hit battleships just fine from 12k if I fly carefully) Keep guns in two groups of four, unless there are many frigs, in which case you can one-shot most of them with just one gun. Send me an eve-mail in game if you want to fly some missions with me.
Edit: also capacitor control circuits are better than defense screen capacitor safegaurds because it gives you more sustained tank, which is more important than running the booster for an extra 24 seconds. |

Patricia Tannis
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2014.02.17 20:41:00 -
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Thanks for the further replies. I've taken the Tempest out for around five missions, using the first fit posted.
So far it's been fine, but has required me to re-wire my brain a little. Range and positioning have become much more important, as has timing (MJD use, reload time). Just like a real sniper, I imagine.
Fighting in Amarr space has been fine so far, although using RF EMP against Bloods and Sansha feels ironic due to the fact that it pushes me towards them.
It is very satisfying knocking out 6 frigates with 6 separate shots. Cruisers and even some BC's can be one-shotted. Seems to work better with grouped guns. I'm using vanilla Sabot rounds for Mercs and Guristas. Would anyone recommend the T2 long range ammo? (I think it's called Quake or Tremor).
TL:DR - Most missions involve warping in, burning away from trouble, and using to MJD to land on top of objectives. Zzzoooop.
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Batelle
Komm susser Tod
1794
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Posted - 2014.02.17 21:07:00 -
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the only ammo you need if phased plasma, emp, and fusion. Don't bother with that sabot nonsense. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |

Khadrea Shakor
Shakor Freight and Mining Service
18
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Posted - 2014.02.17 21:17:00 -
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Batelle wrote:the only ammo you need if phased plasma, emp, and fusion. Don't bother with that sabot nonsense. What he said. |

Patricia Tannis
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2014.02.17 21:27:00 -
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Yeah, this nuclear crap just doesn't cut it. Have just started Worlds Collide again. Not dead (yet). |

Shiloh Templeton
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
96
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Posted - 2014.02.18 14:01:00 -
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Khadrea Shakor wrote:Batelle wrote:the only ammo you need if phased plasma, emp, and fusion. Don't bother with that sabot nonsense. What he said. What is the better choice when Eve-Survival recommends Kin damage? The projectile chart shows Sabot has the best Kin damage (2 exp, 6 kin) with 1.2x tracking bonus and 0 range bonus. |

Antillie Sa'Kan
Forging Industries Silent Infinity
366
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Posted - 2014.02.18 14:03:00 -
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Shiloh Templeton wrote:What is the better choice when Eve-Survival recommends Kin damage? The projectile chart shows Sabot has the best Kin damage (2 exp, 6 kin) with 1.2x tracking bonus and 0 range bonus. Phased Plasma outperforms Titanium Sabot against Kinetic weak rats due to it's much higher overall damage and the fact that said rats have thermal as their second lowest resist. |

Marc Callan
Interstellar Steel Templis CALSF
420
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Posted - 2014.02.18 15:53:00 -
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There are a few elite rats that are kinetic-vulnerable but thermal-resistant, but they're very rare. One reload of Titanium in your cargohold would be plenty, and for all the other kinetic-vulnerable rats, Phased Plasma is the superior choice.
Don't forget that artillery, in addition to the long optimal range, has a very long falloff range, enough that your odds of hitting a target at the outer edge of lock range for full damage are roughly in the neighborhood of two-to-one in your favor. Basically, there's little to no reason to carry the long-range ammo types (Proton, Carbonized Lead, Nuclear) on an artillery boat (and not much more on an autocannon boat that I can see). "Nevertheless a prince ought to inspire fear in such a way that, if he does not win love, he avoids hatred..." - Niccolo Machiavelli-á |

Jeanne-Luise Argenau
Cruis3r's Cr3w Inc.
73
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Posted - 2014.02.18 18:54:00 -
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norkul Shillferoo wrote:Use a maelstrom, but you should not passive tank it like the fit earlier, and you should not rig it with defense screens, you'll just be using two mission-specific hardeners. This is the fit I currently fly with..
i havent done missions in quite a while. But the fit i linked needs alot of skills in cap management and on the char. But i choose those rigs because they gave me a workable cap life, and closed the em hole so that i only need 2 mids for resistence and a t2 burst rig eats 300 cali. 1200mm where choosen for the higher rof and better tracking which in my opinion is more important than the higher alpha on 1400mm. I cant say you r wrong or right because i would have to test both fits in the same mission to compare it would be great if u can do it but either way i think both our fits have merit so just dont say it sucks before u compared them.
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Stats for all l5 on:
[Maelstrom, Mission]
8x 1200mm Artillery Cannon II (EMP L)
Large Micro Jump Drive Gist C-Type X-Large Shield Booster EM Ward Amplifier II Thermic Dissipation Amplifier II 2x Tracking Computer II (Optimal Range Script)
4x Gyrostabilizer II Damage Control II
Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Large Projectile Burst Aerator II Large Core Defense Capacitor Safeguard I
are 589.25 dps on guns; 7.92s RoF; 31.3km optimal; 71.7km falloff; locking range 93.75km; 4m16s cap; 577.39 tank against sansha |

Estella Osoka
Deep Void Merc Syndicate Sicarius Draconis
323
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Posted - 2014.02.18 19:07:00 -
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Maelstrom is a brawler. If you are going to use it in a mission, you mine as well fit it with 800 ACs and active tank it as some of the above Maestrom fits, but add a Heavy Cap booster as it is insane to get a Maelstrom cap stable. The MJD really isn't needed, but an AB would be nice. If you like the Tempest and want to upgrade in the future, I would recommend a similar setup on a Macherial. |

Khadrea Shakor
Shakor Freight and Mining Service
18
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Posted - 2014.02.18 19:11:00 -
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Estella Osoka wrote:Maelstrom is a brawler. If you are going to use it in a mission, you mine as well fit it with 800 ACs and active tank it as some of the above Maestrom fits, but add a Heavy Cap booster as it is insane to get a Maelstrom cap stable. The MJD really isn't needed, but an AB would be nice. If you like the Tempest and want to upgrade in the future, I would recommend a similar setup on a Macherial. Yes, very true. Also, OP asked for Sniper Fits. |

Jeanne-Luise Argenau
Cruis3r's Cr3w Inc.
73
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Posted - 2014.02.18 19:22:00 -
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Khadrea Shakor wrote:Estella Osoka wrote:Maelstrom is a brawler. If you are going to use it in a mission, you mine as well fit it with 800 ACs and active tank it as some of the above Maestrom fits, but add a Heavy Cap booster as it is insane to get a Maelstrom cap stable. The MJD really isn't needed, but an AB would be nice. If you like the Tempest and want to upgrade in the future, I would recommend a similar setup on a Macherial. Yes, very true. Also, OP asked for Sniper Fits. yeah 800mm maels are more common also i dislike them because they r so ******* slow even with ab. |

Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
509
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Posted - 2014.02.18 20:16:00 -
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I never group artillery, the overkill potential is so huge, and the rof so slow. Also I always fit a Large Projectile Burst Aerator to arty fits, makes the cycle time ~5% shorter, and any RoF bonus is just nice with them sloooow arty.
and some one else mentioned it but for sure a Machariel is a huge upgrade. You can trust me, I have a monocole |

Patricia Tannis
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2014.02.18 20:52:00 -
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Chainsaw Plankton wrote:I never group artillery, the overkill potential is so huge, and the rof so slow. Also I always fit a Large Projectile Burst Aerator to arty fits, makes the cycle time ~5% shorter, and any RoF bonus is just nice with them sloooow arty.
and some one else mentioned it but for sure a Machariel is a huge upgrade.
Yeah, a Mach would be nice, but I've got to get to the point where I can afford one first. Tempest will have to do for now; beggars can't be choosers etc.
To all the chaps recommending the Mael, I've tried it with autos and found it very reliable. Great tank and decent damage to boot. But it's just too slow for me, even with a MWD. The Tempest feels very mobile and is still packing a decent punch. My heart was in my mouth when I warped into that third room on Worlds Collide though.
I survived that mission this time. Fusion seems to be working just fine; damage mounts as targets approach that 40km sweet spot. I tend to group my guns 2-2-2, and will look into that rig suggestion (thanks Plankton). |

Estella Osoka
Deep Void Merc Syndicate Sicarius Draconis
323
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Posted - 2014.02.18 21:12:00 -
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FYI, I've done Worlds Collide in a buffer-fit, MWD-fit, sniper fit Tornado. It performs beautifully if you know what you are doing, and you don't go up against missile users. |

Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
3180
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Posted - 2014.02.19 02:50:00 -
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In my opinion, a MJD is awkward to use (tends to waste time), and best used with short-range weapons. With long range artillery, you don't need a MJD; an AB or MWD is fine. |

Patricia Tannis
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2014.02.19 20:32:00 -
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Estella Osoka wrote:FYI, I've done Worlds Collide in a buffer-fit, MWD-fit, sniper fit Tornado. It performs beautifully if you know what you are doing, and you don't go up against missile users.
That's interesting. Thinking about it, its lack of tank would be something I'm used to after flying this flimsy Tempest. I'm no EFT warrior but I'm assuming it puts out more damage too. Might have to give it a try, despite all the detractors.
@Tau - I can't really think of a better module to replace the MWD with. If I wanted to tank better I could fly a Mael, which I'm not keen on. The MWD gives a little more flexibility to an unforgiving boat, and is enjoyable to use. Though I concede that using it on a blaster Vindicator would feel a little more satisfactory. |

Estella Osoka
Deep Void Merc Syndicate Sicarius Draconis
324
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Posted - 2014.02.20 19:34:00 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:In my opinion, a MJD is awkward to use (tends to waste time), and best used with short-range weapons. With long range artillery, you don't need a MJD; an AB or MWD is fine.
No, once you figure out how to use the MJD it is much better than the MWD. When using a MWD you can still be webbed. A MJD will have you 100km away in less than 9 seconds. A MWD will not get you that far in 9 seconds. MJD is not affected by the rats that warp disrupt you. Seriously, learn to use the MJD and you will be wondering why you used a MWD in missions. |

James Baboli
Ferrous Infernum
20
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Posted - 2014.02.21 11:14:00 -
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As OP said they had a tempest already, and seems to be quite happy with it as an MJD sniper, I figured why not throw in my 2isk worth and try for a slightly higher DPS/ application fit.
[Tempest, MJD Pest] Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Damage Control II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Large Micro Jump Drive Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Script Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, EMP L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, EMP L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, EMP L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, EMP L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, EMP L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, EMP L Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Heavy Assault Missile
Large Ancillary Current Router I Large Projectile Burst Aerator II [empty rig slot]
Stats @ all Vs: 603 Gun DPS with listed ammo >raising to 693 with RF EMP. 40 KM optimal with listed scripts and ammo .01334 Tracking 63 DPS from launchers for any frigs that slip under your guns. 125km Lock range 15.2 second cycle time
Notes on the fitting: Invulns used to calculate worst cap+CPU conditions. Targeted hardeners are likely to improve the fit fast. The fit is quite tight in current configuration if not perfectly skilled. Reversing the t1 ACR and t2 ROF rigs is the fastest way to improve it, and allows a T1 EM screen or CDFE. Launchers are used for anything that gets under the guns. Drone ommitted as OP will likely pick their own favorite flavor. That crazy bag FC with the silly things on the hull that shouldn't but just did. |
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