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Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
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Posted - 2014.02.15 01:45:00 -
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LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:Batelle wrote:
As for "why no covops cloak" the answer is because it is a battleship. This is sufficient enough.
Why? why are battleships special? explain please.
Who knows. I think its just because they're called battleships :)
Tengu can covert ops cloak, be immune to bubbles, go to ratting site, refit subs, put out more equal dps to the Nestor, but everything else is vastly improved, sig radius, scan res, tank, .... list goes on.
Same with Blops "If Blops could warp cloaked it would be OP!" but the reality is the T3's are so much better in terms of real applied DPS and everything else including tank.
People are lemmings, they don't think for themselves, not objectively anyway.
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
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Posted - 2014.02.15 02:05:00 -
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Batelle wrote:LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:Batelle wrote:
As for "why no covops cloak" the answer is because it is a battleship. This is sufficient enough.
Why? why are battleships special? explain please. Yes, because they're special. Which is also the reason CCP cited when saying they would never give any battleship hac-level resistances.
That doesn't mean CCP are right, given the lack of BS's being used in PvP at anything under large fleet level it would actually strongly suggest they are wrong.
People are just terrified at the idea of a BS useful without a massive fleet. Plenty of examples were given in the initial Nestor thread as to why a Cov Ops BS would not be totally OP. |
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
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Posted - 2014.02.15 02:08:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:
Tengu can covert ops cloak, be immune to bubbles, go to ratting site, refit subs, put out more equal dps to the Nestor, but everything else is vastly improved, sig radius, scan res, tank, .... list goes on.
That's cute and all up until the point where someone notices a mobile depot and tengu on dscan, and decides to camp the mobile depot. Then your tengu is stuck without its cloak or nullifier. Then the probes come and you have to log (at which point, why are you doing any of this?) or run for it and probably getting caught in a gatecamp.
I'm sure this will work well in a region of space devoid of activity, but then again, so would anything else in that situation.
Infinity Ziona wrote:
but the reality is the T3's are so much better in terms of real applied DPS
The sin would like to have a word with you. |
James Nikolas Tesla
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
91
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Posted - 2014.02.15 03:26:00 -
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Batelle wrote:No to covops cloak. But let it jump to covert cynos. Then it would be a fantastic combat exploration battleship and replace the sin in its pve role.
As for "why no covops cloak" the answer is because it is a battleship. This is sufficient enough.
Why? It was intended for wormholes.
Don't tease the Rats, and if you do, GTFO of the system. Unless you are dumb like me and try to ninja some more ore while an HIC sneaks up on you.
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Arthur Aihaken
Embers Children
TOHA Conglomerate
2895
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Posted - 2014.02.15 04:15:00 -
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Yes, it's garbage. But the real question is: Will it blend?
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |
Vigilant
Vigilant's Vigilante's
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Posted - 2014.02.15 04:19:00 -
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Its going to remain garbage till they reduce the price or buff the hell out of it.... Pick ?  |
Ines Tegator
Towels R Us
388
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Posted - 2014.02.15 04:41:00 -
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deathghost wrote:Has anybody ever heard ccp say you guys are right we ****** up, sorry guys?
Yes.
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Arthur Aihaken
Embers Children
TOHA Conglomerate
2895
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Posted - 2014.02.15 04:47:00 -
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We're due for another one, this time from some of the devs...
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
2333
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Posted - 2014.02.15 06:12:00 -
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Isn't that the one with the 50% bonus to probe scan strength at zero skill?
Sounds pretty awesome to me.
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Arthur Aihaken
Embers Children
TOHA Conglomerate
2895
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Posted - 2014.02.15 06:16:00 -
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Katran Luftschreck wrote:Isn't that the one with the 50% bonus to probe scan strength at zero skill?
Sounds pretty awesome to me.
@ $1.6-billion, a bargain... 
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |
Old Phill
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
56
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Posted - 2014.02.15 06:17:00 -
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let them use a covert ops cloak but make it so they use 100% cpu on it or such an amount that it would be restricted to travel and 100% unbonused drones with no tank
so you have to take it out when you wanna run a site |
Arthur Aihaken
Embers Children
TOHA Conglomerate
2895
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Posted - 2014.02.15 06:24:00 -
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The first step of addressing the design problem with the Nestor... is admitting there's a design problem with the Nestor. It's abundantly clear to (almost) everyone that this thing is a "Spruce Goose".
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Anya Klibor
Guy Fawkes Trust Fund
31ST Reliables Division
648
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Posted - 2014.02.15 06:38:00 -
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Ines Tegator wrote:deathghost wrote:Has anybody ever heard ccp say you guys are right we ****** up, sorry guys? Yes.
It took thousands of unsubscribed accounts and weeks of threadnaughting before Hilmar came out to say that.
Only to fire 20% of the staff and blame us for revolting against his rule.
That's a terrible example. |
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
2248
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Posted - 2014.02.15 07:21:00 -
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Look at the thread about this mess on the F&I forum.
The dev's in question were warned about awful this boat was , and how there was a better boat out there in any form the Nestor could be used (I know it fall on deaf ears, but dev's interested in "rebalancing" the T3's, take note).
So what happened?
They ignored the player base, and we got a ship dead on arrival.
And now, we have a faction BS that no one is interested in using .
BTW, CCP, how many wormhole crews are deciding that the mass of the Nestor outweighs its many deficiencies?
You have the data.
Look it up.
Just like many other decisions by the devs responsible for ships and modules, they screwed up when messing with the stats, and ignored the player community that warned them.
Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning.
The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
4635
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Posted - 2014.02.15 07:43:00 -
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I have to say I'm very happy with the Nestor. It is an amazing awoxing ship.
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marVLs
570
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Posted - 2014.02.15 07:50:00 -
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True true, well we all told that to Rise but he tried to prove he know better than hundreds of players in nestor thread... |
Mag's
the united
SCUM.
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Posted - 2014.02.15 10:24:00 -
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Messtor
Destination SkillQueue:-
It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
deathghost
Epidemic.
Spaceship Samurai
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Posted - 2014.02.15 13:14:00 -
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deathghost
Epidemic.
Spaceship Samurai
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Posted - 2014.02.15 13:19:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Meh. If I went back in time and told myself back in say 2009 that there would be a SoE battleship class I'd have been stoked beyond words. I don't know if you guys seen the F&I thread on this, but you can trade in Nexus chips for a Nestor with SoE - or so they plan. Yes, some drone drop for this ship. (It does fit in perfectly with the storyline though) There has to be something about this ship that would make it worth the cost, or they need to drop the LP cost. Lower the price or make it worth the price. A lot of people were hoping for a ship that could do deep space and extended wormhole exploration unsupported - which would have been in line with SoE principles and exploration usage. All we have here is a very expensive battleship that pretends it's a logistics ship crossed with a pocket carrier and excels in neither by ability or "cost per functionality" meaning if I can turn a bolt with a 5 dollar wrench I don't need to get a 100 dollar wrench to turn the same bolt. And they teased us make it look like it could contain smaller ships too. What a disappointment. 
My man hit the nail on the head |
Arduemont
The State of War.
Vendetta Mercenary Group
3065
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Posted - 2014.02.15 13:25:00 -
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RR Nestors beat all the things. Try it on the test server, I am perfectly serious. Unless someone turns up with 4 Bhaalgorns, propperly fit Nestors will take everything. Dreads with carrier support, fleets of 5 Vindis, Machs, Rattlesnakes, 20 man HAC gangs. The lot. Don't believe me? Try it.
"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice."
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MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
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Posted - 2014.02.15 14:55:00 -
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deathghost wrote:ccp knows the nester sux but people in Iceland have this "I will not admit Im wrong" thing going on and " I will not apologize for anything" it is their culture. Has anybody ever heard ccp say you guys are right we ****** up, sorry guys? But its cool nobody is gonna fly the thing so no big deal
while i tend to agree you do know that rise is not from iceland right? neither is fozz. heck i dont think one icelandic person is on the balancing team.
There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people...
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
13857
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Posted - 2014.02.15 15:24:00 -
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deathghost wrote:ccp knows the nester sux but people in Iceland have this "I will not admit Im wrong" thing going on and " I will not apologize for anything" it is their culture. Has anybody ever heard ccp say you guys are right we ****** up, sorry guys? But its cool nobody is gonna fly the thing so no big deal
Actually, yes.
1 Kings 12:11
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
13857
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Posted - 2014.02.15 15:27:00 -
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Arduemont wrote:RR Nestors beat all the things. Try it on the test server, I am perfectly serious. Unless someone turns up with 4 Bhaalgorns, propperly fit Nestors will take everything. Dreads with carrier support, fleets of 5 Vindis, Machs, Rattlesnakes, 20 man HAC gangs. Multiple falcons (loads of mid slots for multiple ECCM) The lot. Don't believe me? Try it.
The Nestor is a fleet ship. Two Nestors together are straight up incredible. I would say overpowered. Basically if your not fitting them for a RR gang, your fitting it wrong. You wouldn't fit a Vindi with Artillery and no webs and complain it was **** would you? If it cost about as much as a carrier, it would be worth it for high-sec warfare (as long as you can find two people willing to fly them).
Silly boy, the only metric of a pirate faction BS is it's value as a PvE platform.
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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
278
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Posted - 2014.02.15 16:05:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote: ....but the reality is the T3's are so much better in terms of real applied DPS and everything else including tank.
Word on the street is T3's are scheduled for a big smack with the nerf wand.
just saying.
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Nexus Day
Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
977
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Posted - 2014.02.15 17:17:00 -
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If people are looking to throw away their Nestor's as trash let me know. I will recycle them and pay you the 5 isk deposit.
This thread has so much content it may be 'Thread of the Year' and it is only January.
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Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise
Fatal Ascension
832
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Posted - 2014.02.15 18:15:00 -
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Hasikan Miallok wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote: ....but the reality is the T3's are so much better in terms of real applied DPS and everything else including tank.
Word on the street is T3's are scheduled for a big smack with the nerf wand. just saying.
Yeah good thing I already sold off all of my extra T3s.
I'm sure they are going to be a total mess after Rise and Fozzie get a hold of them. Apparently everything not a T1 cruiser or PvE barge is supposed to be crap by design. |
Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
2998
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Posted - 2014.02.15 18:49:00 -
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https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4240701#post4240701
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Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
1240
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Posted - 2014.02.15 19:43:00 -
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No to covops cloak.
The Tears Must Flow |
Alice Ituin
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
53
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Posted - 2014.02.15 19:54:00 -
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Arduemont wrote:RR Nestors beat all the things. Try it on the test server, I am perfectly serious. Unless someone turns up with 4 Bhaalgorns, propperly fit Nestors will take everything.
Doesn't take a Bhaalgorn. Just a few well placed bumps. |
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
2333
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Posted - 2014.02.15 19:58:00 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:Katran Luftschreck wrote:Isn't that the one with the 50% bonus to probe scan strength at zero skill?
Sounds pretty awesome to me. @ $1.6-billion, a bargain...
Oh no argument there on the price. I think we all know that half the SoE ships for sale on the market were put there by dev alts just to push PLEX sales on newbies:
1) Shiny has newbie skill requirements.
2) Shiny costs more ISK than a newbie could ever hope to raise.
3) Newbies sell PLEX for shiny.
It's all just a thinly veiled cash grab, just like everything else CCP does.
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