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Cs3Sl2
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Posted - 2006.04.11 12:48:00 -
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I'd like to hear your setups along with the Pro's And Con's of the overall performance of this ship
(If this has a post somewhere else im Sorry i didn't look)
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Cs3Sl2
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Posted - 2006.04.11 13:06:00 -
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would you consider fitting an armour tank to leave the mids open for EW?? any advice would b most appriciated
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.04.11 13:10:00 -
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i'll start you off with cons:
Pathetic DPS in its class
come on, someone had to say it
Win a Cerberus!!
sigs of the 23/24/25 hijack just as well -eris yarrrr, i shall retake my sig -HippoKing Not a chance, our 1337 sig haXx0r sk1llz are too powerful! - Wrangler Ho-Ho-Hooooooo, Merry Saturday!11 - Immy Yo ho ho and a bottle of BReeEEEEeee.... - Jacques ARRRRRRchambault Stop spamming with "QFT" >:|. - Teblin
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Cs3Sl2
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Posted - 2006.04.11 13:11:00 -
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so would you say the cerb is better..?
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.04.11 13:15:00 -
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personally, i think the cerberus is a better ship. i guess the nighthawk has stuff going for it though - its an awesome tank, and i think they are cheaper than cerbs atm
Win a Cerberus!!
sigs of the 23/24/25 hijack just as well -eris yarrrr, i shall retake my sig -HippoKing Not a chance, our 1337 sig haXx0r sk1llz are too powerful! - Wrangler Ho-Ho-Hooooooo, Merry Saturday!11 - Immy Yo ho ho and a bottle of BReeEEEEeee.... - Jacques ARRRRRRchambault Stop spamming with "QFT" >:|. - Teblin
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Cs3Sl2
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Posted - 2006.04.11 13:19:00 -
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thanks for your input
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Calprimus
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Posted - 2006.04.11 13:26:00 -
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My alt config:
High: 6xHeavy T2 (kinetic ammo) Mid: 2x Inv T2, 2x Shield ext T2, 1x AB Low: 3x BCU T2, 2x PDU T2
She is farming lv3 missions almost afk.
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.04.11 13:28:00 -
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also, the DPS on the nighthawk is only marginally worse than the cerb's. it is poor for its class, but it shapes up fairly well against most HACs DPS wise
i prefer the sig and speed of the cerb, but you could make very good arguments for the n-hawk in some cases. just don't try and fight another field command
Win a Cerberus!!
sigs of the 23/24/25 hijack just as well -eris yarrrr, i shall retake my sig -HippoKing Not a chance, our 1337 sig haXx0r sk1llz are too powerful! - Wrangler Ho-Ho-Hooooooo, Merry Saturday!11 - Immy Yo ho ho and a bottle of BReeEEEEeee.... - Jacques ARRRRRRchambault Stop spamming with "QFT" >:|. - Teblin
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Cs3Sl2
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Posted - 2006.04.11 13:28:00 -
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does it make a big differnce with the signiture increase from the extenders or is it minimal..?
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Cs3Sl2
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Posted - 2006.04.11 13:39:00 -
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so the nighthawk needs to be improved slightly to bring it up to par with other faction command ships..? oh and could it solo lvl 4's easily..? (i mean the normal difficuilty lvl 4's)
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.04.11 13:41:00 -
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i soloed all the lvl4s i've tried (not RHOZ) with ease (although some time) in my cerberus. n-hawk should find it even easier, but slower
Win a Cerberus!!
sigs of the 23/24/25 hijack just as well -eris yarrrr, i shall retake my sig -HippoKing Not a chance, our 1337 sig haXx0r sk1llz are too powerful! - Wrangler Ho-Ho-Hooooooo, Merry Saturday!11 - Immy Yo ho ho and a bottle of BReeEEEEeee.... - Jacques ARRRRRRchambault Stop spamming with "QFT" >:|. - Teblin
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Cs3Sl2
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Posted - 2006.04.11 13:49:00 -
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looking at the stats it should tear frigs apart imo does this prove true when NPC'ing PVP'ing
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Denrace
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Posted - 2006.04.11 18:01:00 -
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Originally by: Cs3Sl2 so would you say the cerb is better..?
Absolutely, in every way bar defence. ________________________________________
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Denrace
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Posted - 2006.04.11 18:05:00 -
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Originally by: Cs3Sl2 looking at the stats it should tear frigs apart imo does this prove true when NPC'ing PVP'ing
Completely untrue.
My friend (in his NH with 3x BCU II) couldn't kill my Vengeance AF yesterday.
Well, he almost broke my tank (Small Rep II, Thermal Hardner).
But after 15 (FIFTEEN!!!) VOLLEYS.
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His missiles did thusly:
Scourge T1: 40 damage Scourge Fury: 30 damage Scourge Precision: 65 damage
Bottom line is that a NH is useless versus frigs unless it uses Precision missiles. However, a Cerberus fires those heavies twice as far, twice as fast and the Cerbs missiles travel twice the velocity.
Cerb is better at frig spanking than NH.
Fact.
Nighthawk, however, has a ncie tank. but then again. the other 3 FCS's tank just as hard, yet put out over 300DPS MORE.
Den ________________________________________
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Hakera
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Posted - 2006.04.11 18:56:00 -
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Edited by: Hakera on 11/04/2006 18:57:09
Originally by: Denrace
Completely untrue.
My friend (in his NH with 3x BCU II) couldn't kill my Vengeance AF yesterday.
Well, he almost broke my tank (Small Rep II, Thermal Hardner).
But after 15 (FIFTEEN!!!) VOLLEYS.
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His missiles did thusly:
Scourge T1: 40 damage Scourge Fury: 30 damage Scourge Precision: 65 damage
Bottom line is that a NH is useless versus frigs unless it uses Precision missiles. However, a Cerberus fires those heavies twice as far, twice as fast and the Cerbs missiles travel twice the velocity.
Cerb is better at frig spanking than NH.
Fact.
Nighthawk, however, has a ncie tank. but then again. the other 3 FCS's tank just as hard, yet put out over 300DPS MORE.
Den
well, tbh none of the other field commands would do much better, unless of course they used webs (speficially fitted to counter frigates), the extra dps coming from the ship bonuses does not really scale down into frigate class, but then if the nighthawk used a web as well, the result would be different for your af and as you said precision missiles.
but then that might change when this heavy 'assault' missile finally appears, to be much better for the cerbs and NH's out there. But then the commands can field their drones as well, 5 t2 scouts on you and your tank wont hold so well methinks ofc :)
I'l be able to fly nighthawks in 2 weeks roughly and plan on a heavy missile t2, large booster shield tank platform myself.
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mrg29
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Posted - 2006.04.11 19:00:00 -
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i just got into a nighthawk this weekend and compared to a sleipnir its damage potential is really really poor.
admittedly my missile skills are not maxed out in same way as my proj skills are but even taking account of that i was really disappointed in just how badly the two compare. -
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Gothic Light
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Posted - 2006.04.11 19:51:00 -
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Pro's: Can fit a great passive tank for Lvl 4 mission running
Con's: Poor DPS - makes some lvl4 missions a bit tedious / time consuming, and in encounters with BS's > 1mill in bounty, almost impossible, especially if they are out of drone range.
PVP: No idea - but with the limited damage output, its uses may have to be restricted to *gulp, its intended purpose of Gang assist (rather than the additonal uses the other race command ships could be used for with their better DPS)
For mission running, my current setup is :
Hi's : 6x T2 Heavy Launchers (1 empty) Mid : 3x T2 Large Shield Extenders, T2 Passive EM hardner, Named Invul field Lows : 3x PDU2's, Named BCU, Named Shield Power Relay* Drones: Either 5x T2 Hornets or 3x T2 Hornets and a T2 medium (can't remember name)
*Shield Power Relay - i know it gimps cap recharge but as my setup has only one active mod it improves my tanking ability (+20% shield recharge) without compromising my ship setup.
For most lvl 4's if you have time on your hands, the Nighthawk will sail through them barring only those that have NPC's > 1mill (in my experiences 1mill bounty is the threshold that means i need to fetch the Cerb or Raven). I haven't found a lvl4 mission the ship cannot tank, even with the stated signature penalty of the BC, as long as the NPC groups dont all attack at once
NB: To be fair i havent tested this ship on Enemies Abound .. since i lost a Cerberus on my first attempt i have left this mission well alone. Off the top of my head, none of the other lvl4 missions (majority against Guristas) have caused me any problems tanking.
I usually carry a small mix of precision scourge (if there are lots of frigs) and Fury scourge (if i want to kill things a bit quicker), but stick mainly to standard T1 scourge
It probably is the worst of the Field Command Ships damage output wise, but if you are restricted to Caldari then you have to make the best of it. Really shouldnt make too much of a difference PVE wise but would be a handicap PVP wise.
I had thought of using my empty hi slot for a tractor beam but the ship is so damn slow i'd rather fetch a nanofibre/overdrive hauler to collect any loot.
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.04.11 19:59:00 -
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Originally by: Hakera well, tbh none of the other field commands would do much better, unless of course they used webs (speficially fitted to counter frigates)
the issue is here: 3 FCS have good bonuses and bite at killing frigs 1 FCS has bonuses to killing frigs, and STILL bites at killing frigs
balanced?
Win a Cerberus!!
sigs of the 23/24/25 hijack just as well -eris yarrrr, i shall retake my sig -HippoKing Not a chance, our 1337 sig haXx0r sk1llz are too powerful! - Wrangler Ho-Ho-Hooooooo, Merry Saturday!11 - Immy Yo ho ho and a bottle of BReeEEEEeee.... - Jacques ARRRRRRchambault Stop spamming with "QFT" >:|. - Teblin
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2006.04.11 20:02:00 -
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I was pretty excited about the NightHawk and training towards it, but Im no longer sure I see the point.
Against cruisers and bigger ships its not doing much more damage than a Ferox. Its only damage bonus is limited to kinetic missiles.
I guess it would be nice if you want to kill Frigs with a big slow tank - but that not a niche Im looking to fill.
Wherever you went - here you are.
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Weirda
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Posted - 2006.04.11 20:02:00 -
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ffs - it ok for caldari to be ****ty in at least one hull class...
just think if you were amarr or minmatar! (or minmatar/ammar specialized sebiestor)
j/k - really they should be more balanced, but don't think that caldari specialized pilot really have THAT MUCH to whine about... __ Weirda Assault Ship deserve a 4th Bonus and More!
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Hakera
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Posted - 2006.04.11 20:08:00 -
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Originally by: HippoKing
the issue is here: 3 FCS have good bonuses and bite at killing frigs 1 FCS has bonuses to killing frigs, and STILL bites at killing frigs
balanced?
heh i think the nighthawk needs a bonus switch just as much as the many others, I was just commenting that the example of a NH vs af was a bit 'incomplete' as an argument. A sliepnir for eg, would have an equally tough time hitting an af unless they were lucky on the af approaching with little transversal, having a web mounted and the af coming into web range (or 3 tracking tracking compuetrs etc) and ofc that all command ships carry drones would change that example drastically.
If/when the nighthawk bonus gets changed, then the NH will be top of the pile in most departments as the uber cerberus (hence why I will also be flying one and have one ordered) for myself nevermind the rumoured addition of the heavy assault missile which would create a very deliberate anti frigate platform.
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2006.04.12 02:37:00 -
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Originally by: HippoKing i'll start you off with cons:
Pathetic DPS in its class
come on, someone had to say it
BCB = Gangslave, not HAC damage update FFS.
Originally by: Dark Shikari Istvaan Shogaatsu's ego, when combined with a veldspar asteroid, would create 500 titans. Too bad he's never mined.
RAWR!11 Sig Hijack!11 - Imaran |
Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2006.04.12 02:39:00 -
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Originally by: Calprimus Edited by: Calprimus on 11/04/2006 15:14:50 My alt config:
High: 6xHeavy T2 (kinetic ammo) Mid: 2x Inv T2, 2x Shield ext T2, 1x AB Low: 3x BCU T2, 2x Shield Power Relays
She is farming lv3 missions almost afk.
Edit: slip of memory, not PDUs in the low but Shield relays
You can pretty much AFK in lvl 3s in a Ferox, I know I do...
You could probably AFK in lvl 4s in a BCB.
Originally by: Dark Shikari Istvaan Shogaatsu's ego, when combined with a veldspar asteroid, would create 500 titans. Too bad he's never mined.
RAWR!11 Sig Hijack!11 - Imaran |
Ghoest
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Posted - 2006.04.12 02:54:00 -
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You can go afk in several lvl 4s in a Ferox.
Im sure the NightHaek is tough but I dont see it breaking the tank at the end of "Vengence."
Wherever you went - here you are.
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Moridin
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Posted - 2006.04.12 03:03:00 -
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what i have found out with the nighthawk is that it lacks powergrid.
also with 2 T2 ballistic and vs 2 on cerb. it¦s RoF was only 1.3 sec slower RoF
i have HAC4 rapid launch5 and heavy spec4.
the exstra launcher helps Imo. but compare with other command ship dps i just can¦t coment.
you can have passive tank and solo lvl4 easy but i could not brake a tank on 1 end boss.
if you are going to improbe the nighthawk without unbalancing it the best way imo is just add 1 med slot or boost the PG |
Hel Kali
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Posted - 2006.04.12 15:53:00 -
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I'm training for Command Ships, I trust CCP will boost the NH, I don't worry :) --------------------------------------------------------------- CEO of ens0ph corporation : http://www.linutx.be Ferrets Breeding : http://www.alfdm.com |
Kaylana Syi
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Posted - 2006.04.12 19:00:00 -
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While the damage utterly sucks compared to a Sliepnir, for example, you can't deny 700m/3 cargo is very good. As has been said before, the heavy assaults should turn the tide in many areas so I wouldn't count the bonus out yet. As it stands it can be fustrating but look on the bright side... it can have extended stay in fights due to less ammo runs.
Originally by: "Oveur" I don't react to threats any better than you do
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.04.12 19:02:00 -
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Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
Originally by: HippoKing i'll start you off with cons:
Pathetic DPS in its class
come on, someone had to say it
BCB = Gangslave, not HAC damage update FFS.
i said in its class. thats comparing to other members of its class.
in other words:
1155 925 912 400 <---
seem a bit pathetic for its class now?
Win a Cerberus!!
sigs of the 23/24/25 hijack just as well -eris yarrrr, i shall retake my sig -HippoKing Not a chance, our 1337 sig haXx0r sk1llz are too powerful! - Wrangler Ho-Ho-Hooooooo, Merry Saturday!11 - Immy Yo ho ho and a bottle of BReeEEEEeee.... - Jacques ARRRRRRchambault Stop spamming with "QFT" >:|. - Teblin Who pwned who? ~kieron |
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