PREORDER.

thers your problem

Meh, rage.

Makes me think of that television I bought for 1200.- then 3 month's later it was for sale at 800.-.
Didn't go back to rage because, shrug, 'c'est la vie'.

This. Also, buy products because you think the content warrants the price tag and not as an investment that retains its value.

Don't you just hate the people who don't participate in the forums until they have something to rage at?

Please think before you comment.

I payed 149 EUROs for my PREORDER.

Hahahahaha! Did you think before you posted this whine?

Do you think for even one second that CCP is:

Going to see your post here?
Going to convene a special meeting of their executives and stockholders?
Going to vote yes on whether to submit to your demands for satisfaction?
Going to give you anything more than a "thanks for buying our Collector's Edition!"?

Is there something wrong with you?

well there's your problem mate.

you payed in euros, which are worth more than USD.

you just admitted to being dumb as a shoe.

Unless I'm gone crazy, Pre-orders also got special benefits which people buying now won't get.
Someone who is awake can confirm.

So, don't waste your time and comment it.

Didn't want that ship money anyways.

I won't be purchasing the book, as shipping is ridiculous. Otherwise I would.

Hey there fellow Eve players,

it was christmas time 2013 when I first saw that my beloved collector's edition was offered for 99 EUROs. I could'nt believe my eyes and was very disappointed that I payed 149 EUROs for my PREORDER.

I wrote a petition to let CCP know what I think about that offer:
1. A PREorder helps the manufacturer to get a market sense about his product. He can minimize his risk in selling the product because he knows how the community feels about the product BEFORE the release! Therefore the PREORDER should have a better price than the "normal" order after the release.

2. 50 EUROs ?? 50 ?? So anyone who thought "hmm I don't know, is that collectors edition really worth 150 EUROs?" before release, was now "Oh look, it's only 100 EUROs now, great!" *klick*. And every loyal customer of Eve Online that was like "what? 150 EUROs for the collectors? Damn OK shut up and take my money." Was totally fu**** by CCP at this moment.

Because he payed 50% MORE as a PREODERER! F I F T Y P E R C E N T!

As an answer of this petition, CCP told me that they do understand the anger in the community, but it is a christmas offer and that is nothing unusual on the market. They do though consider the arguments for further offers.

OH DO THEY? - YES, they do. They considered that we should shut the fu** up and brought the offer BACK!
Yes you might have seen that the collectors Edition is at 99 EUROs again for "a short time".

So I thought this is enough...



I CLAIM that you CCP pay at least 3 PLEX to everyone who can prove that he or she payed 149 EUROs for that product.

3 PLEX are not even worth 50 EUROs and besides that fact CCP does not even need to pay back real money. So I think that is more than a generous "offer"

I hereby shout out to every customer who payed 149 EUR for his collector's edition because he LOVES Eve Online and is now betrayed by CCP for this LOVE!

JOIN THIS PETITION AND SHOW CCP THAT THIS IS NOT FUN!



Fifty Euros is a lot of money (not for CCP and their sales team obviously). Everytime I look at my collector's edition I feel betrayed now instead of satisfied and I don't want to feel like that.

A special offer during christmas was a slap in the face. I took that, I told CCP that it hurts, they answered, okay... But a second offer is a shot to the nuts. So, 3 PLEX for that 50 EUROs. Fair enough, don't you think?

Please /sign this thread if you feel the same!

- Dennis

(German)
F++r meine Deutschen Freunde, die das lesen: Ich verlange 3 PLEX f++r den 50 EURO Betrug von CCP. Zum zweiten Mal gibt es eine Aktion f++r 99 EURO und ich finde es eine Frechheit f++r die Vorbesteller unter uns. Ich f++hle mich betrogen und jeder der das nachvollziehen kann m+¦ge diesen Thread unterzeichnen. Ich will mein Geld zur++ck und denke PLEXE sind eine faire "W+ñhrung" daf++r.

Hey there fellow Eve players,

it was christmas time 2013 when I first saw that my beloved collector's edition was offered for 99 EUROs. I could'nt believe my eyes and was very disappointed that I payed 149 EUROs for my PREORDER.

I wrote a petition to let CCP know what I think about that offer:
1. A PREorder helps the manufacturer to get a market sense about his product. He can minimize his risk in selling the product because he knows how the community feels about the product BEFORE the release! Therefore the PREORDER should have a better price than the "normal" order after the release.

2. 50 EUROs ?? 50 ?? So anyone who thought "hmm I don't know, is that collectors edition really worth 150 EUROs?" before release, was now "Oh look, it's only 100 EUROs now, great!" *klick*. And every loyal customer of Eve Online that was like "what? 150 EUROs for the collectors? Damn OK shut up and take my money." Was totally fu**** by CCP at this moment.

Because he payed 50% MORE as a PREODERER! F I F T Y P E R C E N T!

As an answer of this petition, CCP told me that they do understand the anger in the community, but it is a christmas offer and that is nothing unusual on the market. They do though consider the arguments for further offers.

OH DO THEY? - YES, they do. They considered that we should shut the fu** up and brought the offer BACK!
Yes you might have seen that the collectors Edition is at 99 EUROs again for "a short time".

So I thought this is enough...



I CLAIM that you CCP pay at least 3 PLEX to everyone who can prove that he or she payed 149 EUROs for that product.

3 PLEX are not even worth 50 EUROs and besides that fact CCP does not even need to pay back real money. So I think that is more than a generous "offer"

I hereby shout out to every customer who payed 149 EUR for his collector's edition because he LOVES Eve Online and is now betrayed by CCP for this LOVE!

JOIN THIS PETITION AND SHOW CCP THAT THIS IS NOT FUN!



Fifty Euros is a lot of money (not for CCP and their sales team obviously). Everytime I look at my collector's edition I feel betrayed now instead of satisfied and I don't want to feel like that.

A special offer during christmas was a slap in the face. I took that, I told CCP that it hurts, they answered, okay... But a second offer is a shot to the nuts. So, 3 PLEX for that 50 EUROs. Fair enough, don't you think?

Please /sign this thread if you feel the same!

- Dennis

(German)
F++r meine Deutschen Freunde, die das lesen: Ich verlange 3 PLEX f++r den 50 EURO Betrug von CCP. Zum zweiten Mal gibt es eine Aktion f++r 99 EURO und ich finde es eine Frechheit f++r die Vorbesteller unter uns. Ich f++hle mich betrogen und jeder der das nachvollziehen kann m+¦ge diesen Thread unterzeichnen. Ich will mein Geld zur++ck und denke PLEXE sind eine faire "W+ñhrung" daf++r.

Hey there fellow Eve players,

it was christmas time 2013 when I first saw that my beloved collector's edition was offered for 99 EUROs. I could'nt believe my eyes and was very disappointed that I payed 149 EUROs for my PREORDER.

I wrote a petition to let CCP know what I think about that offer:
1. A PREorder helps the manufacturer to get a market sense about his product. He can minimize his risk in selling the product because he knows how the community feels about the product BEFORE the release! Therefore the PREORDER should have a better price than the "normal" order after the release.

2. 50 EUROs ?? 50 ?? So anyone who thought "hmm I don't know, is that collectors edition really worth 150 EUROs?" before release, was now "Oh look, it's only 100 EUROs now, great!" *klick*. And every loyal customer of Eve Online that was like "what? 150 EUROs for the collectors? Damn OK shut up and take my money." Was totally fu**** by CCP at this moment.

Because he payed 50% MORE as a PREODERER! F I F T Y P E R C E N T!

As an answer of this petition, CCP told me that they do understand the anger in the community, but it is a christmas offer and that is nothing unusual on the market. They do though consider the arguments for further offers.

OH DO THEY? - YES, they do. They considered that we should shut the fu** up and brought the offer BACK!
Yes you might have seen that the collectors Edition is at 99 EUROs again for "a short time".

So I thought this is enough...



I CLAIM that you CCP pay at least 3 PLEX to everyone who can prove that he or she payed 149 EUROs for that product.

3 PLEX are not even worth 50 EUROs and besides that fact CCP does not even need to pay back real money. So I think that is more than a generous "offer"

I hereby shout out to every customer who payed 149 EUR for his collector's edition because he LOVES Eve Online and is now betrayed by CCP for this LOVE!

JOIN THIS PETITION AND SHOW CCP THAT THIS IS NOT FUN!



Fifty Euros is a lot of money (not for CCP and their sales team obviously). Everytime I look at my collector's edition I feel betrayed now instead of satisfied and I don't want to feel like that.

A special offer during christmas was a slap in the face. I took that, I told CCP that it hurts, they answered, okay... But a second offer is a shot to the nuts. So, 3 PLEX for that 50 EUROs. Fair enough, don't you think?

Please /sign this thread if you feel the same!

- Dennis

(German)
F++r meine Deutschen Freunde, die das lesen: Ich verlange 3 PLEX f++r den 50 EURO Betrug von CCP. Zum zweiten Mal gibt es eine Aktion f++r 99 EURO und ich finde es eine Frechheit f++r die Vorbesteller unter uns. Ich f++hle mich betrogen und jeder der das nachvollziehen kann m+¦ge diesen Thread unterzeichnen. Ich will mein Geld zur++ck und denke PLEXE sind eine faire "W+ñhrung" daf++r.

Oh come on guys... so much boredom on a sunday?

I mean atleast Jess Tanner has a smile for me. thx


Okay all of you damn smart human beeings I will sum things up for you.

1. My "unnecessary capitalisation" is there to draw attention - succeeded (mostly wrong people but still a success)

2. I chose my writing style or often called "rage" or "hate" to provoke - succeeded (mostly misunderstood but still a success)

3. This is a statement to the ccp sales politics. And if you all feel positive about this, it is fine for me. Most of the few that did not just leave their nonsense here brought the argument that this is all "normal". Yes it is normal that most of the industry gives a sh** about reasonable price politics.
What you dont see is that you have a voice, an opinion about that. Are you really that kind of "robotic" that you just eat what they feed you and you take it for "normal" after it happened a few times?

I just don't like it that this price of 149 [add your currency here] does officially (by ccp) not represent the worth of the product. I feel like it is worth 99 and everyone who payed the original price has been ripped off. This is because the discount is VERY high. I feel like this and I know there are many others (where are you guys?) that do too.

And CCP should be aware of this.

Sales departments don't care about voices, they care about dollars, or pounds, or whatever the local currency is. If you want to make a point, don't pay for pre-orders. Don't buy stuff the moment it gets released. If you don't like the cost of something, you don't buy it. Clearly, you had no problem with paying the amount you did or you wouldn't have paid it. Just remember, it's not uncommon for game prices to drop shortly after release, whether they do well or poorly. If they're doing well, then the company can drop the price, sell even more games, and still profit. If they are doing poorly, then the company drops the price to encourage sales.

It's up to the consumers which one happens. If it's worth the initial price, the only people who are going to have a problem are the cranky kids with entitlement complexes that get cross when the price drops because that's what they could have paid had they waited a little while.

See how I added emphasis to that word without using capslock?

I pre-purchased the CE and I'm happy with it. I don't really mind the discount as I've already been enjoying the CE for some time now, compared to the people who buy it now (with the discount). Really, those 50 bucks I spent "extra" are well worth the enjoyment I got out of it before others and the time I did not have to wait in anticipation of a discount! I hate having to wait for a discount...

Stuff gets cheaper as it gets older. Deal with it.

Way back in time in 1980, my buddy purchased a Hyperion 8088 Computer with a built in 4 inch monochrome CGA monitor and 2 floppy drives. He paid $5000.00 bucks in 1980 dollars. 6 months later it was being sold for $1200.00, a $3800.00 dollar difference. His response? Thats how it works, this new technology. Yes, he wasn't happy but he didn't whine and snivel over $3800 bucks like this whiny OP is complaining over $50 euros. I have ZERO sympathy. Shut up...

it is a different product, pre-orders include extras that this 99 euro product do not

Thanks for letting me know that there is a discount.

I'll say this I got lime at Christmas because I saw the discount personally I didn't want added extras that people got for pre-ordering I wanted the collectors edition because I like that sort of thing. You make a point to the fact that I think the price is now 99Gé¼ as standard I feel the extras you got when you pre-ordered we're good enough and warranted the 149Gé¼ price tag as with everything in shops the prices was bound to drop I would say stop whining but everyone else seems to be saying that

Hey there fellow Eve players,

it was christmas time 2013 when I first saw that my beloved collector's edition was offered for 99 EUROs. I could'nt believe my eyes and was very disappointed that I payed 149 EUROs for my PREORDER.

Touching story but this is called competition. It's interesting that most of you percieve these as same situations.

I am not satisfied with that.

Man, I can only imagine how pissed off all the WoW kids that paid 60 dollars times three for WoW, Burning Crusade and Wrath of the Lich King must have been when in winter 2012 Blizzard gave all of those to me for free just for having a Battle.net account.

Okay I see that my "preorder point" might be misunderstood.
I am not complaining about paying 150 for the preorder. I am complaining about a very big discount 2 months after release for one week and then another discount for maybe a week again 2 months from there.

For a preorder I feel that I shoud pay a good price for my product (here 150 bucks). When I buy the released edition, it comes to the same, atleast a fair price.

A chrsitmas sale (2 months after release) for 33% less is very hard I think but can be explained as holiday "event". But now again out of any reason for "a short time" makes me feel "betrayed". I can't help it.

And this is not about 50 bucks or 5.000 bucks, it is about the proportional amount. I payed 50% more. And that makes me think I payed to much for what it is.
Again: No problem if 100 bucks was the standard price now. Still the period of 4 months seems very short for that big drop of price.

Again: It's a teaser offer. It is not getting cheaper in general.

You didn't get it.

Then even more so. They are doing a sale to try and increase numbers sold.

For a game where most people claim it takes intelligence a lot of people act like entitled 5 year olds.

I just don't like it that this price of 149 [add your currency here] does officially (by ccp) not represent the worth of the product. I feel like it is worth 99 and everyone who payed the original price has been ripped off. This is because the discount is VERY high. I feel like this and I know there are many others (where are you guys?) that do too.

Yes I did, OP. Everyone posting in this thread got it except you.

Your rant basically translates to

"I bought a product once and now that product is never allowed to drop in price or go on sale again."

There's really nothing more to it than that and I get it, I really do. It's one of the easiest fallacies to fall victim to. I've done it several times.

But you have to get over it. CCP is fully within their right to charge whatever they want for their products and you're fully within your right to accept or reject their offer. That's how the market works. They asked you for 150 euros and you paid it.

Now they're asking for 100 euros and someone else is paying it. Because the market for people who are willing to pay 150 euros is now saturated. Everyone who was willing to pay 150 already paid it. So now they work their way down.

And even implying that they don't have the right to is just acting entitled.

Unless I'm gone crazy, Pre-orders also got special benefits which people buying now won't get.
Someone who is awake can confirm.

Wow this is really interesting. And because of that I can't complain about what they do?
I never said they do something illegal. I am just stating that I am not ok with it.
I don't have the power to force them to do anything about this. I am making a point and was hoping that others also think that this sales policy is in some way offending to the customers.

Why not tell them when you are not happy with what they do? How am I supposed to see politics changing if I don't tell them?

If you're such a free speech advocate, then you should probably tone down your snapping at people that tell you they disagree with your arguments.

You come to the forums, nostrils flaring, breathing fire and, if I may say, quite a bit hostile on top of all that.

And yet you expect to be given room to flail and thrash unrestricted.

The right to an opinion is not a one-way street. If you understood that you wouldn't be so hostile towards everyone who gave you a counter argument.

But I don't even know why the **** I'm even bothering to type all this since you'll just Ctrl+V the "You missed the point" you had in your clipboard since you started this thread.

Someone give me a Like, I'll feel less empty inside.

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