Hello All,

I am curious about NEW features and ideas that people may have to protect industrial ships in eve. While it would be helpful in suicide ganking in HS, it would also be helpful in low sec. When I started playing eve we tried to do escorted mining ops in low sec, we learned quickly this was pretty stupid as any attacker could rip our mining ships to pieces before we could dent them, although we tried many times ...

Remote rep has such a lag time on it that unless you're super on the ball you're in trouble and even an astute pilot could be in trouble. I don't want to boost the industrial ships, but I want an option so that additional pilots could reasonably assist them.

In standard Scifi warfare, you can "keep" enemies away from your ships by engaging them away, but that never seems to work for us in eve, so I turn to you and say how can we create a way for ships to help protect industrial operations in low sec, and create more pvp opportunities?

Best,
AG

Short of changing the basic mechanics of high sec, there is not much to done, imo.

Because you can only retaliate as opposed to being preemptive, S-gankers will always have the upper hand.

As for regular stuff like being at war or can flipping, the tools for prevention of destruction are already in place.

Mr Epeen

I am not confining this idea to High Sec, in low sec when a cane or two pops onto the grid, you have few options to "protect" your mining barges and if there were ways to "keep them safer" via self sacrifice or similar I think we could get more low sec ops and hence more pvp.

in LS, the "best practice" is a big buffer tank, coupled with being aligned (passive or otherwise), shield ganglinks, insta-locking ewar/tackler to keep the miners "safe" whilst they try and GTFO, and DPS to kill the guy.

also, watch the gates on the other side gives you 2-3 seconds warning to go from "passive" aligned to full aligned, ready to GTFO (though sitting as bait so you can get the kill may provide more fun )

I agree with the other posters; there is nothing you can do to protect barges and industrials.

IRL you don't see people using expensive military hardware in suicide/risky attacks against low value industrial targets because military stuff is much more expensive.

In considering defenses for mining barges you have to keep in mind that their isk/hr is quite low compared to MOST other activities in Eve. As such, having large defensive fleets around doing nothing, being compensated a paltry sum compared to what they could be making doing MOST ANYTHING ELSE is un-reasonable.

So, that leaves miners to themselves to protect themselves. The short of it is they can't. At best they could make themselves harder targets. In doing so they several cripple their productivity to a mere fraction of what it could be. Roughly translated it means a crappy income turning into a worse income.

The current game mechanics do not allow mining barges to protect themselves. Miner's can, of course, utilize "best practices" to attempt to safeguard themselves with some efficacy. However, the end result is lost productivity and is ultimately futile to prevent themselves from getting ganked, in any form.

No, either CCP gives barges unGodly tanking ability or the economics of minerals need to be dealt with to make miners profitable enough to field defensive fleets. The latter, seems quite attractive to me as it would add a new dynamic to the game with repercussions for everyone. Afterall, the minerals must flow in order for you to afford that ship that you're using to gank miners. Mining would become a highly organized activity for any corp, alliance, coalition. Such mining ops would be highly attractive as targets of opportunity by those looking for easy targets and their very valuable ores or as resource denial through their destruction by rival corps, alliances, coalitions.

All you need is more grid/cpu on mining ships so they can last a bit longer when you could fit a larger buffer on those, such as *gasp* a medium shield rep on a hulk with mining upgrades ...

Thoughts on ways to *protect* mining ships (NOT about Suicide Ganking)

How about you actually tank your Hulks, i know its possible, most of you are just too lazy

Perhaps a new kind of logistics module that could project shields onto a barge (and not just rep)...

I'm sure you meant extender and not repper. Only bots use reppers.

And you can certainly put a medium extender on a hulk.

Mr Epeen

in LS, the "best practice" is a big buffer tank, coupled with being aligned (passive or otherwise)

In considering defenses for mining barges you have to keep in mind that their isk/hr is quite low compared to MOST other activities in Eve. As such, having large defensive fleets around doing nothing, being compensated a paltry sum compared to what they could be making doing MOST ANYTHING ELSE is un-reasonable.

So, that leaves miners to themselves to protect themselves. The short of it is they can't. At best they could make themselves harder targets. In doing so they several cripple their productivity to a mere fraction of what it could be. Roughly translated it means a crappy income turning into a worse income.

The current game mechanics do not allow mining barges to protect themselves. Miner's can, of course, utilize "best practices" to attempt to safeguard themselves with some efficacy. However, the end result is lost productivity and is ultimately futile to prevent themselves from getting ganked, in any form.

No, either CCP gives barges unGodly tanking ability or the economics of minerals need to be dealt with to make miners profitable enough to field defensive fleets. The latter, seems quite attractive to me as it would add a new dynamic to the game with repercussions for everyone. Afterall, the minerals must flow in order for you to afford that ship that you're using to gank miners. Mining would become a highly organized activity for any corp, alliance, coalition. Such mining ops would be highly attractive as targets of opportunity by those looking for easy targets and their very valuable ores or as resource denial through their destruction by rival corps, alliances, coalitions.