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Le Ngoc Han
Aegis Eidolon Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
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Posted - 2014.02.19 14:46:00 -
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Spurty wrote:Welcome to eve.
It's sort of "pay to win".
More accounts, more prizes!
If you want maximum "prizes", start a website that pokes fun at old people, poor people and hey anyone different. Then bring them all to eve to "create content" *SNORK*
But yah don't PVP solo if you don't want to die to a small fleet of 30 n00b ships and end up on eve news 24
What MMO is not pay to win? |
Eram Fidard
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
786
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Posted - 2014.02.19 15:29:00 -
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Sounds to me like you've discovered an incredibly easy way to get two free blackops BS kills. Poster is not to be held responsible for damages to keyboards and/or noses caused by hot beverages. |
Batelle
Komm susser Tod
1826
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Posted - 2014.02.19 15:58:00 -
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Friends are better than alts. Get some friends, and you'll beat his alts any day. You had a logi and BC and were both outnumbered and outgunned, so the use if isboxer is incidental here.
Also, lots of social people play with isboxer, its not exclusively a lone wolf thing.
Isboxer does not make you a better player, and it can very easily make you a worse one. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |
CompleteFailure
Polaris Rising Gentlemen's Agreement
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Posted - 2014.02.19 17:05:00 -
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If you're getting killed by multiple characters, what's the difference if they are each controlled by an individual vs. them all being controlled by one individual? The situation wouldn't have ended any differently, you still would have died to that same number of characters. |
Lucie Devlin
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
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Posted - 2014.02.19 18:11:00 -
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I manage to have fun without needing to long into more than one account, and I am really bad at this game so I'm sure the rest of you can manage without. |
Sniper Wolf18
Aggressive Diplomacy
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Posted - 2014.02.19 20:53:00 -
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Having been on a three year hiatus I've found that now more than ever having an alt is all but required to make you a successful pvper, which is great for CCP but irritating for those of us without loads of money. However multiboxing PvP should be rather easy to counter, damp some multiboxers with scan res scripts and they will activate modules on the wrong ship due to delayed targeting, jam the others, harass them in every way possible so they get frustrated and make more mistakes, continue with this and you will get expensive multiboxer kills. Since you know who they are you can catch his boost alt before the fight starts, or make him dock for the durarion at least. |
BrundleMeth
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.02.19 21:14:00 -
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Hal Morsh wrote:So how is this even fair? Stopped reading there. Playing EVE and using the word "fair" is just crap. Life isn't fair. I got more money than you, I can have more stuff. Bigger House, better car(s), 6 EVE accounts. Tough Luck...
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CompleteFailure
Polaris Rising Gentlemen's Agreement
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Posted - 2014.02.19 21:20:00 -
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BrundleMeth wrote:Hal Morsh wrote:So how is this even fair? Stopped reading there. Playing EVE and using the word "fair" is just crap. Life isn't fair. I got more money than you, I can have more stuff. Bigger House, better car(s), 6 EVE accounts. Tough Luck...
Couldn't have said it better myself. All I hear is "WWAAAAAAHHHHHH" when people complain about something not being fair. HTFU and deal with it. |
Ninteen Seventy-Nine
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.02.20 00:02:00 -
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It's been Alts-Online for years. Ever since the genius that was the cyno coupled with "power of 2" deals.
CCP knows it sucks, but they can't help themselves.
-People who are so terrible they can't compete against real players without cheating,, -People who don't play the game to play the game, but play the game as their job (sometimes unwillingly) -CCP's wallet
These are the people that enjoy and benefit from Alts-Online.
Nothing you can do about it except know that you are inherently a superior human being. Capable of accepting a challenge, working with teammates as intended and playing the game instead of exploiting it.
There will always be those so lost and without integrity they will fight scream and insist multiboxing isn't lame and tantamount to cheating.
You can easily identify these people; the hole in their persona is not able to be filled,
and that same emptiness that drives them to have to WORK at a GAME they neither understand nor actually enjoy is the same emptiness that will drive them to the forums and insist they are as good and as skilled as you.
Even more so, I mean, the guy has 20 accounts... how much further from "loser" can you get?
"The unending paradox is that we do learn through pain." |
DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
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Posted - 2014.02.20 00:31:00 -
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I have 4 accounts, 3 active, I multibox all the time, as each has a different task they can do. Used to mine with a hauler alt, and a pve alt to kill rats. it makes it easyer f you don't have anyone on to help out with stuff, and te alts have cyno alts, and a holding corp alt.
Tried a multi box program but could get get it to coordinate correctly so I ditched it |
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La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.02.20 00:42:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Maybe they all had their drones assisted to someone, I hear that's a way to make use of many characters effectively.
Don't forget that this is a well balanced and good game mechanic, that N3 loves. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Proof Highsec reward needs to be nerfed: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqC-BTui2uSGdDlxa2dWOG5ieHB0QXBVWW82bGN5TFE&usp=sharing |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
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Posted - 2014.02.20 00:47:00 -
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Spurty wrote:But yah don't PVP solo if you don't want to die to a small fleet of 30 n00b ships and end up on eve news 24
If that's really your view, you have a very narrow window of experience. It is certainly possible to solo pvp (without boosters or links) and win fights, even against multiple opponents.
You find this sort of thing in FW areas all the time and also in nulls ex, at least where I fly in Syndicate.
It just takes a bit of dedication, preparedness to lose ships while you learn (and never stop learning) and a touch of either patience or recklessness (I'm mostly patient, but every now and then I just think **** it, go for it and see what happens - and they're always good fights). eve-bazaar - I'm not associated with them, but support it as a worthwhile service |
Brink Albosa
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
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Posted - 2014.02.20 00:56:00 -
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About 6 months ago, I decided I was not only going to be a one account man, but a one character man on top of that. Even as a criminal I don't even use a hauling alt. I get space-truckers that do public courier contracts to bring me the modules, hulls, ammo; whatever I need to keep going.
There's literally no reason to play this way, so it's more of a mindset than anything. (Virtues)
I'd love for link alts and logi to show on killmails. |
BrundleMeth
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.02.20 10:34:00 -
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Ninteen Seventy-Nine wrote:It's been Alts-Online for years. Ever since the genius that was the cyno coupled with "power of 2" deals.
CCP knows it sucks, but they can't help themselves.
-People who are so terrible they can't compete against real players without cheating,, Excuse me? Cheating? Having multiple accounts is in no way "cheating". Like someone else here said, you get attacked by 10 characters or 10 characters, it's all the same if it's 1 person or 10 people. This is NOT cheating...
Quote:There will always be those so lost and without integrity they will fight scream and insist multiboxing isn't lame and tantamount to cheating. You are looking for integrity in EVE or any Computer Game? People are here to win, to get the advantage ANY way possible. That is the point of any Computer Game. Your arguments are very naive at best. Everyone has to choose how low they are willing to go. Myself, I refuse to pod anyone, that's something I don't like. But I have multiple accounts because I damned well want to and what you think with regards to my decision is meaningless...and it's still not cheating... |
Ninteen Seventy-Nine
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.02.20 13:20:00 -
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BrundleMeth wrote:Ninteen Seventy-Nine wrote:It's been Alts-Online for years. Ever since the genius that was the cyno coupled with "power of 2" deals.
CCP knows it sucks, but they can't help themselves.
-People who are so terrible they can't compete against real players without cheating,, Excuse me? Cheating? Having multiple accounts is in no way "cheating". Like someone else here said, you get attacked by 10 characters or 10 characters, it's all the same if it's 1 person or 10 people. This is NOT cheating... Quote:There will always be those so lost and without integrity they will fight scream and insist multiboxing isn't lame and tantamount to cheating. You are looking for integrity in EVE or any Computer Game? People are here to win, to get the advantage ANY way possible. That is the point of any Computer Game. Your arguments are very naive at best. Everyone has to choose how low they are willing to go. Myself, I refuse to pod anyone, that's something I don't like. But I have multiple accounts because I damned well want to and what you think with regards to my decision is meaningless...and it's still not cheating...
That's your take on it.
You're entitled to your opinion. You're entitled to be wrong. But I repeat myself.
My eve laughs at your "do anything" eve. My eve uses skill and teamates as was intended.
Your eve is a pathetic struggle to end up "on top". As if that were a real place. You already know you can't compete as a gamer, you admit as much to everyone but yourself. So you console yourself with hollow victories lacking any true personal accomplishment.
What I think is obviously meaningful, or you would not feel so impassioned to argue against it.
Cheaters never win. You might get a killmail, but in reality you've already defeated yourself.
Try playing like a real gamer, with integrity, instead of your normal run-of-the-mill lame-o MMO multiboxer.
"The unending paradox is that we do learn through pain." |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
2941
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Posted - 2014.02.20 17:30:00 -
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BrundleMeth wrote:Excuse me? Cheating? Having multiple accounts is in no way "cheating". Like someone else here said, you get attacked by 10 characters or 10 characters, it's all the same if it's 1 person or 10 people. This is NOT cheating... It's not cheating in the strict sense of the word. It is taking the "throw some money at it" (easy) route out of the challenge of being outnumbered/outgunned.
Buying gold ammo in a P2W MMO is not cheating. Multiboxing is not cheating. You can do both of them legitimately. They are however equivalent cowardly easy ways to get out of a challenge, so don't expect sympathy or respect. Rifterlings - small gang frigate PvP - lowsec pirate operation, newbie-friendly, free ship program; Join today! www.rifterlings.com
Accidentally The Whole Frigate (blog) - Learning how to pew pew, one loss at a time - www.thewholefrigate.com |
KuroVolt
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
1430
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Posted - 2014.02.20 17:48:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:
You know what a good way is to defeat someone who throws this much money at Eve? Make their investment pointless.
Someone who throws that much money at EVE is either very rich or very sad.
If they are very rich then they wont care that you make the investment pointless.
If they are very sad...well then there is nothing you can do to make it sadder than it already is. BoBwins Law: As a discussion/war between two large nullsec entities grows longer, the probability of one comparing the other to BoB aproaches near certainty. |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
2942
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Posted - 2014.02.20 18:25:00 -
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KuroVolt wrote:If they are very rich then they wont care that you make the investment pointless. That has not been my experience in many (if not most) cases.
KuroVolt wrote:If they are very sad...well then there is nothing you can do to make it sadder than it already is. Sure there is.
In both cases you just have to have a bit of luck and know which buttons to push. Rifterlings - small gang frigate PvP - lowsec pirate operation, newbie-friendly, free ship program; Join today! www.rifterlings.com
Accidentally The Whole Frigate (blog) - Learning how to pew pew, one loss at a time - www.thewholefrigate.com |
Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
6299
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Posted - 2014.02.20 20:07:00 -
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One time bump to fix forum. |
Lady Katherine Devonshire
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
258
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Posted - 2014.02.21 01:28:00 -
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Hal Morsh wrote:Do we now need multiple accounts to win at the game?
No, but then I may have a different definition of "winning."
However, I am quite certain that CCP themselves considers pushing their players down this path is certainly winning in their books. Specifically, their accounting books.
KuroVolt wrote:Someone who throws that much money at EVE is either very rich or very sad.
As someone who can barely squeeze in an hour per day, I wholeheartedlyagree. The sound of the Amarrian heart |
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
333
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Posted - 2014.02.21 02:15:00 -
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Lady Katherine Devonshire wrote: o_O that's mind boggling. My head would explode with that setup.
eve-bazaar - I'm not associated with them, but support it as a worthwhile service |
Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
492
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Posted - 2014.02.21 02:27:00 -
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Personally I would say its helpful but in no way necessary to have alt accounts. Ive been in lowsec for almost three years now with one account and done just fine, although having alliance mates who can run things from highsec is definetely useful now and then. Pirates - The Invisible Fist of Darwin
you're welcome |
DSpite Culhach
285
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Posted - 2014.02.21 05:55:00 -
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First off, to avoid being attacked with Flammenwerfer, i'm just expressing a personal idea.
If I was playing WoW (god forbid) I would have plenty of local mates to go do stuff with. I even know a few couples that play together, alas, this is EVE, and the only local that still plays calls me up at 2am to say stuff like "guess what I killed today! Come on, GUESS! GUESS DAMMIT!"
I think I have heard the quote "use a scout and HTFU" a million times, and to do that I would need to pay double fees, and multibox, or find a kind soul that will scout for me, and this being EVE, I know how that would end up 75% of the time.
I don't personally see EVE as "solo" anything, and if you say "HIsec", well, I have always looked as hisec as training wheels, and not actually driving the game. Multiple accounts are pretty much a lifesaver for a lot of activities, and without, either the risk spikes up, or efficiency drops, slowing down gains dramatically, like say, solo mining.
If CCP allowed one account to log on multiple times would I use it (maybe with a small added fee)? Sure, I mean, it would allow me to have a market guy always a key flick away, and would allow me to maybe salvage behind me, or have a laugh running missions with 2 ships, but I personally don't think I'd go out in fights multiboxing, then again, I don't get the combat rush many people get in this game, as after 20+ years of killing people (from the DOOM days) in games, it's become kinda "meh".
I guess I'll stay gimped and suffer the consequences. ~ |
Remiel Pollard
Stirling Iron Society
2520
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Posted - 2014.02.21 11:30:00 -
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Hal Morsh wrote:Spurty wrote:Welcome to eve.
It's sort of "pay to win".
More accounts, more prizes!
If you want maximum "prizes", start a website that pokes fun at old people, poor people and hey anyone different. Then bring them all to eve to "create content" *SNORK*
But yah don't PVP solo if you don't want to die to a small fleet of 30 n00b ships and end up on eve news 24 I lost a gila to 20 talwars on a gate, thing is I thought it was hilarious, they had a sense of humor as well. It was a PL fleet.
That happened to me once in a Wolf, it was PL in Amarr FW, Talwars and a few frigates. Took two of them with me though :p You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
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