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Cheekabu Talvanen Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 1	Posted - 2014.02.18 22:38:00 - [1] - Quote In the forms of the character bazaar. They make a few bucks on every character transfer, be it through PLEX or real cash. How long until they start selling 500k/2.5m/5m/25m/50m/100m SP packages? Wont be long with the cream of the crop games coming out in the near future. The only people that will stay are the ones that have too much of their lives invested in this game. Nothing will draw new people in when there will be other games that aren't a spreadsheet are available.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 19449	Posted - 2014.02.18 22:39:00 - [2] - Quote Seeing as how they don't sell SP, you'll probably have to wait a very very long time for thatGÇª GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1.
Scipio Artelius The Vendunari End of Life 297	Posted - 2014.02.18 22:40:00 - [3] - Quote How long till they start selling ban tokens for use on the forum? Buy a token and you get to ban someone. Now that would be useful.
Cheekabu Talvanen Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 1	Posted - 2014.02.18 22:41:00 - [4] - Quote Tippia wrote: Seeing as how they don't sell SP, you'll probably have to wait a very very long time for thatGÇª Player A wants to buy pilot. Player A does not have the isk. Player A buys crapload plex CCP profits Player A buys pilot. How is not buying SP?
Jill Chastot Oath of the Forsaken Sanguis Ignis Prosperitum 229	Posted - 2014.02.18 22:42:00 - [5] - Quote Because player B lost said pilot. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=298596&find=unread OATHS wants you. Come to the WH "Safety in eve is the greatest fallacy you will ever encounter. Once you accept this you will truely enjoy this game."
Joshu Mumon Ordo Vagante Monachis 17	Posted - 2014.02.18 22:42:00 - [6] - Quote Why has the sky started falling today? Character transfer is not new.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 19449	Posted - 2014.02.18 22:43:00 - [7] - Quote Cheekabu Talvanen wrote: How is not buying SP? No-one gains any SP, and CCP isn't the seller. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1.
Themanfromdalmontee EVE RADIO ARMY 25	Posted - 2014.02.18 22:45:00 - [8] - Quote Cheekabu Talvanen wrote: In the forms of the character bazaar. They make a few bucks on every character transfer, be it through PLEX or real cash. How long until they start selling 500k/2.5m/5m/25m/50m/100m SP packages? Wont be long with the cream of the crop games coming out in the near future. The only people that will stay are the ones that have too much of their lives invested in this game. Nothing will draw new people in when there will be other games that aren't a spreadsheet are available. Oh dear, they don't. They are peoples characters they are selling..different to SP to apply to a character of your choice!
mechtech Ice Liberation Army 607	Posted - 2014.02.18 22:46:00 - [9] - Quote Cheekabu Talvanen wrote: Tippia wrote: Seeing as how they don't sell SP, you'll probably have to wait a very very long time for thatGÇª Player A wants to buy pilot. Player A does not have the isk. Player A buys crapload plex CCP profits Player A buys pilot. How is not buying SP? Because no net SP was added to the game. CCP is facilitating the exchange of SP between players, essentially enabling SP to become commoditized. You're not selling SP either, you're selling characters. How the SP is arranged greatly affects the value of the character.
Hasikan Miallok Republic University Minmatar Republic 287	Posted - 2014.02.18 22:54:00 - [10] - Quote No SP is created in this process. The character that is transferred earned its SP legitimately. Aside from which it is important to realize SP in EVE is nothing like XP in other games. It accumulates even if you do nothing and with multiple character training you can accumulate SP on up to 3 toons on a single account at once without doing anything but log in weekly to check skill cues. I suppose technically you can "buy" SP ... just pay for a years subs and ignore the account aside from updating skill queues :D IMPORTANT CONCEPT: In other games a highly skilled toon is a sign of many many hours of dedicated play. In EVE you can have a highly skilled toon without ever undocking a ship. SP is a not a way of gaining "street cred" in EVE.
Erotica 1 Krypteia Operations CODE. 3707	Posted - 2014.02.18 22:58:00 - [11] - Quote At least we have SP. In SC there will be no SP and on day one you can fly a carrier. See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did.
Ellendras Silver My second corp 121	Posted - 2014.02.18 23:06:00 - [12] - Quote Cheekabu Talvanen wrote: 1. In the forms of the character bazaar. They make a few bucks on every character transfer, be it through PLEX or real cash. 2.How long until they start selling 500k/2.5m/5m/25m/50m/100m SP packages? 1. yeah horrible, a company that tries to make money! the horror 2. that wont happen you missed what happened earlier i guess, hint google eve online micro transactions protest FIX FORUMS
Natassia Krasnoo R3D SHIFT Brothers Of The Dark Sun 158	Posted - 2014.02.18 23:19:00 - [13] - Quote Cheekabu Talvanen wrote: In the forms of the character bazaar. They make a few bucks on every character transfer, be it through PLEX or real cash. How long until they start selling 500k/2.5m/5m/25m/50m/100m SP packages? Wont be long with the cream of the crop games coming out in the near future. The only people that will stay are the ones that have too much of their lives invested in this game. Nothing will draw new people in when there will be other games that aren't a spreadsheet are available. I'm sensing waves of anger flowing off you. Did someone make you mad recently?
Regan Rotineque Rl'yeh Interstellar Ltd. Mildly Sober 227	Posted - 2014.02.18 23:21:00 - [14] - Quote The fail is strong in this one.... adjusts tinfoil hat
Carmen Electra The Scope Gallente Federation 297	Posted - 2014.02.18 23:27:00 - [15] - Quote OP, I think maybe you shoudl lay off the "New Topic" button for the rest of the day. Tippia wrote: Cheekabu Talvanen wrote: How is not buying SP? No-one gains any SP, and CCP isn't the seller. Tippia, given that you've made some valuable contributions to the community (I'm using your newbie skill plan for a friend of mine ATM), I hesitate to call you a troll, but you sure are a pedant! While you are technically correct in your statements, you are (needlessly) crafting arguments based on technicalities while merrily ignoring the obvious end results. I would argue that you can buy SP. I have purchased two characters off the bazaar and sold one. Yes, no game mechanics were circumvented, but the end result is very similar. The only difference between bazaar and selling SP is that you can't pick the name, race, gender, and exact allocation of skills. You still get SP that you didn't have to wait for. While I don't sell PLEX to acquire in-game items, I did sell PLEX to get those two characters. Since CCP is quite clear about them retaining ownership of players' characters and the RL cash I spent on those PLEX went straight into CCP's coffers, I think it's hard to argue that CCP isn't selling SP/characters, even if indirectly.
Mag's the united SCUM. 16760	Posted - 2014.02.18 23:27:00 - [16] - Quote Tippia wrote: Seeing as how they don't sell SP, you'll probably have to wait a very very long time for thatGÇª This. Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Unsuccessful At Everything The Troll Bridge 10337	Posted - 2014.02.18 23:28:00 - [17] - Quote Erotica 1 wrote: In SC there will be no SP and on day one you can fly a carrier. Assuming you purchased the Chris Roberts super supreme stroke-a-thon package with lifetime insurance. *Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?*
Gizznitt Malikite Agony Unleashed Agony Empire 3549	Posted - 2014.02.18 23:29:00 - [18] - Quote Cheekabu Talvanen wrote: In the forms of the character bazaar. They make a few bucks on every character transfer, be it through PLEX or real cash. How long until they start selling 500k/2.5m/5m/25m/50m/100m SP packages? Wont be long with the cream of the crop games coming out in the near future. The only people that will stay are the ones that have too much of their lives invested in this game. Nothing will draw new people in when there will be other games that aren't a spreadsheet are available. There is a big difference between trading characters and selling SP. Those characters train at the same potential rate as everyone else... Those character's history follows with them (standings, etc)... At the end, players are trading their characters for plex... this doesn't new SP, it simply transfers character management from one person to another. CCP benefits from it, and both the players selling the character and the person buying the character benefit from it. As a fourth party, the character trading has NO EFFECT on me... the character existed, with all its SP and stats before the transfer, and exists in the exact same state after the transfer. Who manages the character is irrelevant, as it could compete with me equally before and after the character trade.
Abon STAHLSTURM Fatal Ascension 189	Posted - 2014.02.18 23:32:00 - [19] - Quote If i would get a dollar for every single one of those threads in the last years....
Hasikan Miallok Republic University Minmatar Republic 287	Posted - 2014.02.18 23:34:00 - [20] - Quote To be honest multi-character training is a lot more like selling SP than the character bazaar ever was. But seriously ... given that SP in EVE is created by time spent subbed rather than player effort grinding mission/instances .. all SP in EVE is actually "bought".
Carmen Electra The Scope Gallente Federation 297	Posted - 2014.02.18 23:36:00 - [21] - Quote Hasikan Miallok wrote: To be honest multi-character training is a lot more like selling SP than the character bazaar ever was. But seriously ... given that SP in EVE is created by time spent subbed rather than player effort grinding mission/instances .. all SP in EVE is actually "bought". sigh EVE would be so much more interesting if there was some magical way to enforce 1 account, 1 character per player. But of course, that's not possible. If you can't beat 'em, join 'em!
Gizznitt Malikite Agony Unleashed Agony Empire 3550	Posted - 2014.02.18 23:38:00 - [22] - Quote Carmen Electra wrote: You still get SP that you didn't have to wait for. A lot of people have trouble distinguishing between players and characters... you appear to be one of them. Buying characters on the bazaar does not get that character any additional SP it didn't have before. That character trains at the exact same rate as everyone else (potentially), and the choices "it" made in training are set in stone, with all the benefits and repercussions entailed. Your character had to wait for all the SP it currently has. You acquire the character from another player. It doesn't matter if who manages the character, as the character has the same ability to compete with the rest of us before and after the character trade. Nothing you can do as a player will change the SP a character already has, and nothing you with your isk will alter the potential rate it acquires SP. Do you understand the difference here?
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 19456	Posted - 2014.02.18 23:40:00 - [23] - Quote Carmen Electra wrote: While you are technically correct in your statements, you are (needlessly) crafting arguments based on technicalities while merrily ignoring the obvious end results. The obvious end result is that buying a character is not even remotely the same as GÇö or even related to GÇö selling SP. If you buy a character, you're picking up a collection of skills that have been accumulated over the regular period of time using all the standard mechanisms and restrictions for building up skills. You're transferring time spent (not entirely unlike PLEX, but in the opposite direction). Also, you're stuck with a completely different character. It doesn't add to your SP GÇö in fact, it probably duplicates large portions. Finally, you only ever get what's on offer. If no-one has bothered to build the skill mix you need and is willing to sell it, you're stuck. You can throw as much ISK at the problem as you like, and nothing will happen. You could order one but it'll take a year or five before it's ready. All in all, the character economy doesn't change one whit. This as opposed to the idea of actually selling SP, where you skip over the time required to build skills; where the standard mechanisms and restrictions don't apply; where you don't get stuck with another character; where you simply can't get the kind of duplication a second character generates; and where you get exactly what you want when you want it (and where you want it). Suddenly, the character economy isGÇª ohGÇª pretty much left in ruins overnight and the time-based mechanics meant to regulate it are rendered absolutely pointless. Oh, and CCP isn't selling any characters. Other players are. Again unlike how it would be if CCP sold SP. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1.
Caviar Liberta Moira. Villore Accords 444	Posted - 2014.02.18 23:51:00 - [24] - Quote Cheekabu Talvanen wrote: Tippia wrote: Seeing as how they don't sell SP, you'll probably have to wait a very very long time for thatGÇª Player A wants to buy pilot. Player A does not have the isk. Player A buys crapload plex CCP profits Player A buys pilot. How is not buying SP? Because someone put the time into selecting the skills and time into training the SP on the character Player A bought from the character bazaar? The SP didn't just instantly appear from no where to be allocated.
Darek Castigatus Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel 491	Posted - 2014.02.18 23:54:00 - [25] - Quote Carmen Electra wrote: OP, I think maybe you shoudl lay off the "New Topic" button for the rest of the day. Tippia wrote: Cheekabu Talvanen wrote: How is not buying SP? No-one gains any SP, and CCP isn't the seller. Tippia, given that you've made some valuable contributions to the community (I'm using your newbie skill plan for a friend of mine ATM), I hesitate to call you a troll, but you sure are a pedant! While you are technically correct in your statements, you are (needlessly) crafting arguments based on technicalities while merrily ignoring the obvious end results. I would argue that you can buy SP. I have purchased two characters off the bazaar and sold one. Yes, no game mechanics were circumvented, but the end result is very similar. The only difference between bazaar and selling SP is that you can't pick the name, race, gender, and exact allocation of skills. You still get SP that you didn't have to wait for. While I don't sell PLEX to acquire in-game items, I did sell PLEX to get those two characters. Since CCP is quite clear about them retaining ownership of players' characters and the RL cash I spent on those PLEX went straight into CCP's coffers, I think it's hard to argue that CCP isn't selling SP/characters, even if indirectly. The difference between what you're doing and outright purchase of SP should be obvious - Someone still had to own and train the character for the time it took those skill points to accumulate. The only thing that even vaguely supports your arguement is if I bought a character that was the same age as mine but that had been more optimised towards SP gain during its life, hence having more SP than me for the same age of character. That however falls down when you realise that if I had done the same thing with my origional character I would have exactly the same SP for the time invested, I simply chose not to. So in that example what I end up paying for is the additional optimisation, which has a side effect of giving me more SP, rather than paying directly for more SP. If CCP simply said 'pay us {an amount of money] and instantly add [a number of SP] to your account' that would be selling SP and would rightly be condemned, but they havent done that yet and I doubt they ever will. Pirates - The Invisible Fist of Darwin you're welcome
Carmen Electra The Scope Gallente Federation 297	Posted - 2014.02.19 00:06:00 - [26] - Quote Darek Castigatus wrote: ... I knew that name was familiar! Remember that one time a bored pilot decided to welp their faction-fitted Bhaalgorn to Shadow Cartel, but not before blapping your Cerberus?
Caviar Liberta Moira. Villore Accords 444	Posted - 2014.02.19 00:07:00 - [27] - Quote Dust 514 on the other hand is giving out bonus SP to players that log in daily and increases it each day they continusually log in to a limit.
45thtiger 0109 AL3XAND3R. 48	Posted - 2014.02.19 00:10:00 - [28] - Quote mechtech wrote: Cheekabu Talvanen wrote: Tippia wrote: Seeing as how they don't sell SP, you'll probably have to wait a very very long time for thatGÇª Player A wants to buy pilot. Player A does not have the isk. Player A buys crapload plex CCP profits Player A buys pilot. How is not buying SP? Because no net SP was added to the game. CCP is facilitating the exchange of SP between players, essentially enabling SP to become commoditized. You're not selling SP either, you're selling characters. How the SP is arranged greatly affects the value of the character. I agree with the above statement ^ OP Get Out I am not a CCP employee-ájust having a input in the EvE forum
Meg Lee BL Corp 1	Posted - 2014.02.19 00:58:00 - [29] - Quote I think you are right and I would not be against CCP allowing us to ACTUALLY buy 30 days worth of SP with a PLEX. Waiting for skills to finish is for the patient and after 8 years I'm still not that patient. :(

ISD Gallifreyan ISD Community Communications Liaisons 288	Posted - 2014.02.19 01:19:00 - [30] - Quote OP is either Trolling or Rumormongering. Both are Rule Violations. This seems to be a stealth Eve is Dying thread, which is duplicate. Thish thread has expired. Thank you for your consideration. ISD Gallifreyan Lieutenant Community Communication Liaisons (CCL) Interstellar Services Department


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