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Voxinian 22	Posted - 2014.02.19 11:28:00 - [1] - Quote As the title sais, the PVE part of EVE could use some attention from the devs imo. The missions are always the same, the npc's are always the same, same pockets, same fleets, same triggers. And it is not just the missions, but specially the roaming npc's in the systems. Always the same belt rats, never an npc encouter outside of belts (besides ded locations), never any surprises or any randomness, never a challenge. It's all so generic! If I am in a 0.5 system at a random spot I would like to see the chance of roaming npc scouts detecting me that calls his npc buddies and then before I know it there is an npc fleet after me, things like that! I know that EVE is a PVP focussed game, but for players like me that not constantly plays EVE, but 4/5 months per year they are more or less stuck with the PVE part of EVE as we are not active enough for pvp corps or being in in a corp at all. And that is fine, but at least make the PVE part more interesting and random and more challenging and add some twists to it, because now it is very very boring. I hope to find a couple of npc battleships in 0.5 and 0.6 systems instead of the little frigs that are not even a neucanse. They are not even a neucanse for afk miners or new 2 day old players. High sec should obviously be safer then low sec, but for the love of dog spice it up a little and make it more interesting.
shimiku Black VooDoo Asassins Cult of War 5	Posted - 2014.02.19 11:48:00 - [2] - Quote so do you
Voxinian 22	Posted - 2014.02.19 12:47:00 - [3] - Quote shimiku wrote: so do you If you don't have anything useful to say then don't post.
Zerlestes Mechanized Industrial Warfare Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere 10	Posted - 2014.02.19 13:01:00 - [4] - Quote i agree with you Missions get boring its a fact that every action we do in eve over and over and over again like Missions or Mining even that s... hacking game get boring over the time Incursions are fun and a good start group content besides pvp would be cool i for my part fly anos if i dont have motivation for mining and do mining if i dont like to do anos sometimes i make some big plans that arent realistic or do some math and see it is realistic or at least within reach if i work towards that goal over months but yeah some content need a fresh wind (without pvp influence like that ESS)
Corraidhin Farsaidh Hello-There 203	Posted - 2014.02.19 13:11:00 - [5] - Quote Zerlestes wrote: i agree with you Missions get boring its a fact that every action we do in eve over and over and over again like Missions or Mining even that s... hacking game get boring over the time Incursions are fun and a good start group content besides pvp would be cool i for my part fly anos if i dont have motivation for mining and do mining if i dont like to do anos sometimes i make some big plans that arent realistic or do some math and see it is realistic or at least within reach if i work towards that goal over months but yeah some content need a fresh wind (without pvp influence like that ESS) I fly pretty much exactly the same, but with PI on the side to make control towers , some tech II manufacture and other bits and pieces. I would very much like to see random mission generation and outlined an idea for it once before. It simply can't be that hard to do. I've seen it done in an old board game using a six sided die so it shouldn't be beyond the skills of a semi-competent programmer.. Make the random mission generator on of the options picked up by the agents and you can still keep the existing missions whilst every now and then throwing in the random ones. Depending on how they are received they can then be made more regular or simply removed without affecting the existing missions.
Voxinian 22	Posted - 2014.02.19 13:39:00 - [6] - Quote The setup/objectives of the missions could be the same, but with more random ship groups and random triggers instead of always the same triggers. Basically EVE survival pages should be useless instead of now where you can see the entire mission, the spawns and how to blitz it. There is no danger in it, unless you do something really stupid. But I sepecially would like to see more randomness outside of missions. It is just lame that miners in a 0.5 system can go afk, because the rats are always harmless little frigs that a couple of small T1 scout drones can take care of. It should not even be safe to warp at a random spot without having npc pirates breathing down your neck if you sit at that spot for to long. A 1.0 system is just as safe as a 0.5 system, because if at all you encounter npc's they are just little belt rats. I want to see roaming npc fleets that may cause terror in the system... if you don't pay attention. Point is that now you have to look for npc's and fly to ded sites if you want any action, while the npc's should be looking for the players. Npc pirates are not a pest, they are more carebear then the carebear players :)
Noxisia Arkana Deadspace Knights 170	Posted - 2014.02.19 13:47:00 - [7] - Quote Voxinian wrote: shimiku wrote: so do you If you don't have anything useful to say then don't post. No promises.
Noxisia Arkana Deadspace Knights 170	Posted - 2014.02.19 13:48:00 - [8] - Quote Lets be honest, it's on CCPs radar. The PVE redux thread exists in the quantity of about 1x / week on F&I and Bi-Weekly in GD.
Zerlestes Mechanized Industrial Warfare Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere 10	Posted - 2014.02.19 13:52:00 - [9] - Quote Roaming Pirat Fleets would be kind of Cool a suggestion from my side i doubt pirats use like normal people normal Stargate and whs are kind of random why not spawn from time to time a Pirat Complex with a Pirate Stargate after the complex is cleared at lest logi support should be needet we can use the pirate Stargate Network Every Spawnen Complex in reach of lets say 10lj or evtl more
Colt Blackhawk Amarrian Vengeance Team Amarrica 265	Posted - 2014.02.19 13:54:00 - [10] - Quote You are completely right. Although I am not doing PVE, I can remember when I started EVE I was running these missions for two months. If I would have not discovered faction warfare I would have quitted EVE after 2 months. EVE needs new players. But new players can-¦t do PVP because of * skill points and lack of knowlege how the interface works. So they need to go for PVE. For making some isk first and for learning how the interface works. But the PVE content in EVE is so much 2001. It is boring like hell, missions are terrible, mining is horrible.... It is exactly the reason why CCP scares most of the new players to hell. Or better: Bores them to hell. PVE and Industry are the first what a new player will do his first months but CCP hasn-¦t cared for it over ten years now. Yeah.... Although it doesn-¦t affect me I care a lot that this game doesn-¦t die because only old vets play it. Should be highest priority to fix that. [09:04:53] Ashira Twilight > Plant the f** amarr flag and s* on their smoking wrecks.
Rovinia Exotic Dancers Union SONS of BANE 195	Posted - 2014.02.19 14:24:00 - [11] - Quote Until CCP does something, just go run missions in Low-/Nullsec. Reward AND Risks are higher there. I corrected the text for you Voxinian wrote: If I am in a ¦¦0¦¦¦¦.¦¦¦¦5¦¦ 0.0 system at a random spot I ¦¦w¦¦¦¦o¦¦¦¦u¦¦¦¦l¦¦¦¦d¦¦¦¦ ¦¦¦¦l¦¦¦¦i¦¦¦¦k¦¦¦¦e¦¦¦¦ ¦¦¦¦t¦¦¦¦o¦¦¦¦ ¦¦¦¦s¦¦¦¦e¦¦¦¦e¦¦ WILL see the chance of roaming n¦¦¦¦p¦¦¦¦c¦¦ scouts detecting me that calls his ¦¦n¦¦¦¦p¦¦¦¦c¦¦ buddies and then before I know it there is an ¦¦n¦¦¦¦p¦¦¦¦c¦¦ fleet after me, things like that! See, it allready exists as some sort of player generated content for those willing to take the risk to see it. But yes, generally you're right. Missions are "a bit too 2003" and very boring after doing them some time. I also miss allied forces jumping in to support you, Carriers fighting in the background, escort missions for troop transporters who try to board an enemy ship, etc. The main problem here is that many players who run missions got used to do these missions half-afk to make their ISK'is. The outcry among the playerbase will be huge and the forums will get flooded with tears if CCP makes any change that require "real" active gameplay If it get's done, it would need a new sort of agent, i think.
Corraidhin Farsaidh Hello-There 204	Posted - 2014.02.19 14:35:00 - [12] - Quote Anyone can PvP quickly with relatively few SP, skill everything to lvl II and then find a corp who will show you how to fly (that is the tricky part). There are quite a feww who don't have the time or inclination to go PvP though, and their game experience shouldn't suffer from this, PvE should allow for that gamestyle too and current;ly only really does so for 1-2 months.. If I were to shake up missions I wouldn't change distribution missions or combat missions, mining missions etc piecemeal, I'd do them all at once, streamline them, standardize the interface for mission types, interlace them all and tie them together. What if the R&D agent needed you to go acquire some fullerenes to complete a project? How about the faction you are working for wants you to make a BPC up into product then deliver it? Perhaps an NPC fleet needs escort for a few jumps fending off pirates? (ship size naturally limits by the warp speed of the escorted fleet since you need to keep up). There are a lot of possibilities that can come from a complete overhaul and Live event pre-cursors could easily be laced into such missions too. Different kinds of rewards would be nice too. How about moon mining rights for a limited period (chips that grant 1 hour mining per chip), access tags for empire controlled gates to new areas of space? There would be no Concord in these areas so they could be used as pure exploration playgrounds. Since the empires control the gates then no player faction can gain sov as the Empires simply don't allow Sov structures to pass through or be constructed in their new system. Exploration missions can be chained together to lead you onto other sites to explore based on data gathered from the previous site. The further you go down the rabbit hole the greater the risk and also the reward... How about exploration missions to gather data or resource for research? Allow research from such to generate faction BPC's. Missions could be so much more than they are now.
Batelle Komm susser Tod 1823	Posted - 2014.02.19 14:38:00 - [13] - Quote Voxinian wrote: If I am in a 0.5 system at a random spot I would like to see the chance of roaming npc scouts detecting me that calls his npc buddies and then before I know it there is an npc fleet after me, things like that! That's what pvp is for. Stop asking for npcs to do stuff. We can have more interesting missions and content without asking for the moon like having them do stuff. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!" Never forget.
Systemlord Rah All Inclusive SpaceMonkey's Alliance 2	Posted - 2014.02.19 14:44:00 - [14] - Quote there are people who hate pvp ever thought about that fact for some one making spreadsheets is more challanging than pvp (pew pew pvp) or they hate pvp in itself (i mean doing pvp self)
Corraidhin Farsaidh Hello-There 204	Posted - 2014.02.19 14:51:00 - [15] - Quote Batelle wrote: That's what pvp is for. Stop asking for npcs to do stuff. We can have more interesting missions and content without asking for the moon like having them do stuff. I think the OP means he wants more challenging and variable missions without the time investment required for PvP roams...challenging missions fights rather than the extended hunt (and group of corpies) PvP usually takes
Voxinian 23	Posted - 2014.02.19 15:07:00 - [16] - Quote Batelle wrote: Voxinian wrote: If I am in a 0.5 system at a random spot I would like to see the chance of roaming npc scouts detecting me that calls his npc buddies and then before I know it there is an npc fleet after me, things like that! That's what pvp is for. Stop asking for npcs to do stuff. We can have more interesting missions and content without asking for the moon like having them do stuff. I thought I made myself clear in the OP. I don't play that much to be in a corp and really go for the pvp thing in EVE. I am also not a new player (4 year old account) that is to chicken to go low sec. I am not planning to go low sec with a pve boat solo to do missions. What you are saying is that PVE is not a legitimate part of EVE and is only for new players, I thus do not agree. What you are sying is that EVE is a single diminsion hardcore game where you mandatory need to do pvp to play. if you do not want to get bored out of your mind. Again, I do not agree. PVE is lacking and is old as others here agreed and needs some TLC from the developers. There should be a way to keep having fun in EVE without having to be in a corp, currently the PVE part is boring, linear and predictable and never really nasty or surprising. You know I can join a corp, but I will just get kicked out again,because I might not play EVE for 2 or 3 months so pvp and corps is more or less a no go for me (and other more casual players)
Voxinian 23	Posted - 2014.02.19 15:08:00 - [17] - Quote Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote: Batelle wrote: That's what pvp is for. Stop asking for npcs to do stuff. We can have more interesting missions and content without asking for the moon like having them do stuff. I think the OP means he wants more challenging and variable missions without the time investment required for PvP roams...challenging missions fights rather than the extended hunt (and group of corpies) PvP usually takes Exactemundo
Daichi Yamato Xero Security and Technologies 1097	Posted - 2014.02.19 15:46:00 - [18] - Quote u could add to an already exisitng topic or bump it, because i think everyone here just repeated themselves... search function bro this thread is everywhere, and they are just as broad at saying 'redo PvE' as urs. EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY?No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided""So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time"
Voxinian 23	Posted - 2014.02.19 15:55:00 - [19] - Quote Daichi Yamato wrote: u could add to an already exisitng topic or bump it, because i think everyone here just repeated themselves... search function bro this thread is everywhere, and they are just as broad at saying 'redo PvE' as urs. I think moderator applications belongs in an other forum section.
Daichi Yamato Xero Security and Technologies 1097	Posted - 2014.02.19 16:14:00 - [20] - Quote no really, do u have any idea how much this is getting repeated? EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY?No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided""So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time"
Voxinian 24	Posted - 2014.02.19 16:54:00 - [21] - Quote Daichi Yamato wrote: no really, do u have any idea how much this is getting repeated? Stop whining. I checked the last 20 pages in this section and no thread that comes even close to my suggestions and I used several search terms with zero results. Or do you expect me to type in 'pve' in search and browse 100+ pages? I 'd hold that application to be a moderator if I were you.
Batelle Komm susser Tod 1832	Posted - 2014.02.19 17:10:00 - [22] - Quote Voxinian wrote: Batelle wrote: Voxinian wrote: If I am in a 0.5 system at a random spot I would like to see the chance of roaming npc scouts detecting me that calls his npc buddies and then before I know it there is an npc fleet after me, things like that! That's what pvp is for. Stop asking for npcs to do stuff. We can have more interesting missions and content without asking for the moon like having them do stuff. I thought I made myself clear in the OP. I don't play that much to be in a corp and really go for the pvp thing in EVE. I am also not a new player (4 year old account) that is to chicken to go low sec. I am not planning to go low sec with a pve boat solo to do missions. What you are saying is that PVE is not a legitimate part of EVE and is only for new players, I thus do not agree. What you are sying is that EVE is a single diminsion hardcore game where you mandatory need to do pvp to play. if you do not want to get bored out of your mind. Again, I do not agree. You just put a whole bunch of bullshit words in my mouth that I never said. Really like... nothing even close to what I actually said. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!" Never forget.

ISD Tyrozan ISD Community Communications Liaisons 368	Posted - 2014.02.19 18:04:00 - [23] - Quote A post and related reply that were off-topic have been removed. Forum post rule 26. Off-topic posting is prohibited. ISD Tyrozan Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department @ISDTyrozan \| @ISD_CCL

Daichi Yamato Xero Security and Technologies 1098	Posted - 2014.02.19 18:12:00 - [24] - Quote Voxinian wrote: Stop whining. what are u like 5? Quote: I checked the last 20 pages in this section and no thread that comes even close to my suggestions and I used several search terms with zero results. Or do you expect me to type in 'pve' in search and browse 100+ pages? uve asked for a change to NPC's, but the only time u get specific is wanting NPC's to hunt u or finding the odd larger rat in hi-sec. if that is the entire scope of ur suggestion, then i can tell u it has come up, but i admit, it might be a little hard to search for. However, since the body of ur idea is clearly 'make PvE better' without much detail then maybe if u had just searched 'PvE', u might have found something useful and/or interesting. something u could contribute to or put ur likes behind. u claim to to have carefully searched 20 pages and conducted a search, but then show that u were too lazy to even do the most basic search and check a few pages. perhaps if u stopped acting like a ** for 5 minutes u could get up off ur sanctimonious arse and see for urself just how many threads can be summed up in the words:'make PvE better' or u could be more specific in the feature or idea/s u would like to have implemented. theres nothing wrong with wanting PvE to be more interesting. its how** u want it to be more interesting that needs fleshing out. EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY?No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided""So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time"
Cassius Invictus Thou shalt not kill 87	Posted - 2014.02.19 18:17:00 - [25] - Quote Colt Blackhawk wrote: You are completely right. Although I am not doing PVE, I can remember when I started EVE I was running these missions for two months. If I would have not discovered faction warfare I would have quitted EVE after 2 months. EVE needs new players. But new players can-¦t do PVP because of *** skill points and lack of knowlege how the interface works. So they need to go for PVE. For making some isk first and for learning how the interface works. But the PVE content in EVE is so much 2001. It is boring like hell, missions are terrible, mining is horrible.... It is exactly the reason why CCP scares most of the new players to hell. Or better: Bores them to hell. PVE and Industry are the first what a new player will do his first months but CCP hasn-¦t cared for it over ten years now. Yeah.... Although it doesn-¦t affect me I care a lot that this game doesn-¦t die because only old vets play it. Should be highest priority to fix that. Exactly. I did the CCP job by advertising EVE to my friends but most of the quit after couple of days. What EVe needs is more story behind it, a campain for each race and pve more like pvp: less ships, but more powerful, much higher risk on missions much more reward. It's not that hard. Really not long form now EVE players will just die of old age if u don't attract new players. Players who like games like CoD, BF and so on. The won't wait half a year to start having fun at EVE....
SIrera Artrald Titans Rising 21	Posted - 2014.02.19 20:13:00 - [26] - Quote Cassius Invictus wrote: Colt Blackhawk wrote: You are completely right. Although I am not doing PVE, I can remember when I started EVE I was running these missions for two months. If I would have not discovered faction warfare I would have quitted EVE after 2 months. EVE needs new players. But new players can-¦t do PVP because of *** skill points and lack of knowlege how the interface works. So they need to go for PVE. For making some isk first and for learning how the interface works. But the PVE content in EVE is so much 2001. It is boring like hell, missions are terrible, mining is horrible.... It is exactly the reason why CCP scares most of the new players to hell. Or better: Bores them to hell. PVE and Industry are the first what a new player will do his first months but CCP hasn-¦t cared for it over ten years now. Yeah.... Although it doesn-¦t affect me I care a lot that this game doesn-¦t die because only old vets play it. Should be highest priority to fix that. Exactly. I did the CCP job by advertising EVE to my friends but most of the quit after couple of days. What EVe needs is more story behind it, a campain for each race and pve more like pvp: less ships, but more powerful, much higher risk on missions much more reward. It's not that hard. Really not long form now EVE players will just die of old age if u don't attract new players. Players who like games like CoD, BF and so on. The won't wait half a year to start having fun at EVE.... Oh god no! Please never attract those players to this game! NEVER!
Voxinian 24	Posted - 2014.02.19 20:54:00 - [27] - Quote Cassius Invictus wrote: Colt Blackhawk wrote: You are completely right. Although I am not doing PVE, I can remember when I started EVE I was running these missions for two months. If I would have not discovered faction warfare I would have quitted EVE after 2 months. EVE needs new players. But new players can-¦t do PVP because of *** skill points and lack of knowlege how the interface works. So they need to go for PVE. For making some isk first and for learning how the interface works. But the PVE content in EVE is so much 2001. It is boring like hell, missions are terrible, mining is horrible.... It is exactly the reason why CCP scares most of the new players to hell. Or better: Bores them to hell. PVE and Industry are the first what a new player will do his first months but CCP hasn-¦t cared for it over ten years now. Yeah.... Although it doesn-¦t affect me I care a lot that this game doesn-¦t die because only old vets play it. Should be highest priority to fix that. Exactly. I did the CCP job by advertising EVE to my friends but most of the quit after couple of days. What EVe needs is more story behind it, a campain for each race and pve more like pvp: less ships, but more powerful, much higher risk on missions much more reward. It's not that hard. Really not long form now EVE players will just die of old age if u don't attract new players. Players who like games like CoD, BF and so on. The won't wait half a year to start having fun at EVE.... Actually I do play some other realism games that are quite hardcore. But EVE I play just to chill, enjoying the immersion of the EVE Universe and the pew pew. The fact that you can do what you want to in EVE and specialize in whatever you want to is great. Just the PvE aspect seriously needs an overhaul.
Ines Tegator Towels R Us 391	Posted - 2014.02.19 20:55:00 - [28] - Quote See sig - Mission Overhaul - Bridging the PVP / PVE Gap - -áIf the game stops teaching people to fear lowsec, maybe people will start going there?
Lephia DeGrande The Scope Gallente Federation 243	Posted - 2014.02.19 21:22:00 - [29] - Quote Incursions, should be the answer... ...but they are to few and to pointless.
Colt Blackhawk Amarrian Vengeance Team Amarrica 265	Posted - 2014.02.20 08:38:00 - [30] - Quote Lephia DeGrande wrote: Incursions, should be the answer... ...but they are to few and to pointless. ** No. Incursions are for higher sp players. The newbies less than 6 months old bore their off with missions and mining and leave the game. [09:04:53] Ashira Twilight > Plant the f** amarr flag and s* on their smoking wrecks.

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