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I like the idea, but I think it should be set up for alliances, rather than individual corporations. I could see this being set up as a tax system, rather than a donation system. Although both might be equally viable, I could see this being useful in regards to farmers in the corp; they could contribute a bit more than they do now..

There needs to be options for transferring loyalty points between players.

Loyalty points are between the player and the corp...they should never be transferrable in my opinion, it just makes no sense in corporation terms...

Same principle though, the NPC corp trusts the player who performs duties for them, not the players corp so they wouldn't give LP to the players corp.

Not sure I agree with this. NPC corp standings are not always based on the pilots standings. If you refer to Evelopedia and scroll to the boittom and read under "NPC Faction standings towards Player corporations" you'll notice player corp standings are taken into effect. To take an example, Jump clones can be obtained in short order by joining a player corp with an NPC corp standing of 8 or higher. If the player corp is trusted enough by the NPC corp to provide jump clones, even if the player corp pilot has terrible standing, I think the NPC corp can trust them enough with LP's in the form of a tax.

I've not been able to find exact information on Evelopedia about player corp standings allowing you to do missions for NPC agents you don't have access to with your personal standings, but I'm sure this comes into effect. I'm also unable to test this as I have no pilots with this particular issue. In the past I have obtained jump clones through my corp standings that I should not have been able to get without the aid of my corp's standings.

Same principle though, the NPC corp trusts the player who performs duties for them, not the players corp so they wouldn't give LP to the players corp. If your players value your corp then they can convert LP to goods and give 10% of the profits

Standings represent the NPC corps trust in the capsuleer. Not loyalty points.

Loyalty points have nothing to do with trust or loyalty. They are just a currency that is annoying to use.

doesnt make sense to transfer LP between players

I agree with you here. This is a good time for me to specify about that. The LP should be collected in tax for much like isk off bounties for rats killed and mission rewards and deposited into the corp LP wallet. Now from here I feel it should be bound to the corp and could be spent by directors. Maybe the LP could even be it's own special division in the wallet and CEO's can allow access that way. In being bound to the corp this should solve any major LP monopoly's I could see come out of this. Also maybe not allow it to be added to the pilots LP who is spending it on behalf of the corp.

Not sure I agree with this. NPC corp standings are not always based on the pilots standings. If you refer to Evelopedia and scroll to the boittom and read under "NPC Faction standings towards Player corporations" you'll notice player corp standings are taken into effect. To take an example, Jump clones can be obtained in short order by joining a player corp with an NPC corp standing of 8 or higher. If the player corp is trusted enough by the NPC corp to provide jump clones, even if the player corp pilot has terrible standing, I think the NPC corp can trust them enough with LP's in the form of a tax.

I've not been able to find exact information on Evelopedia about player corp standings allowing you to do missions for NPC agents you don't have access to with your personal standings, but I'm sure this comes into effect. I'm also unable to test this as I have no pilots with this particular issue. In the past I have obtained jump clones through my corp standings that I should not have been able to get without the aid of my corp's standings.

This idea is based mainly to help out Faction Warfare corps and alliances, but all corps and alliances could benefit from this as passive incomes continue to dry up. I'll try and break this down to how it might help/hurt all aspects of space.

LetGÇÖs start with Null sec first. They are missing a considerable chunk of moon goo income these days. With the new ESS in null sec pilots are getting isk along with LP. The addition of LP, while using the ESS, magnifies how much a pilot can gain from ratting. LP the pilot is receiving is missed income for the corp and alliance. Allowing the corps to collect a small portion of the LP, possibly based on tax percentage, might entice Null sec corps and alliances to consider the ESS. This could also play an effect with the groups in null that run pirate faction missions.

High sec corps and alliances stand to gain, arguably, the most if this were to happen. This would just be another income generator for all High sec entities. This could even help create SRPGÇÖs for some High sec groups looking to get into wars or mercenary work.

None Faction Warfare Low sec corps and alliances could also benefit from this. There are groups who form corps and alliances around doing L5 missions. With the potential LP pay out to corps from these missions we might see some real action in and around these systems. I know some may argue that there is already action in these systems, but there are still many that are dead -+ of the day. This would be a great catalyst for content with all low sec missioning systems.

Faction Warfare Low sec corps and alliances tend to have an income problem. They mainly rely on donations from members to keep ship in stock and offices open. In Faction Warfare there is no real drive to rat as low sec rats donGÇÖt pay out well. Clone soldiers are rare and are not a dependable source of income for Faction Warfare groups. Our main drive is to kill our enemies and run Faction Warfare complexes. Both result in LP being paid out to the pilot. Adding a Corp LP tax could help finance SRPGÇÖs and any future AsakaiGÇÖs.

What are some other reasons this would be good? LP is a technically an ISK sink, we could always use more corp ISK sinks. Groups might move around to get the LP they want, Corps could turn in LP and use it for SRP.

I know my idea is far from perfect, but could make for a great addition to the game. Please give thoughts on this. With CCP looking to revamp corp permissions anyway this is a great time to put a bug in their ear.

Loyalty points are between the player and the corp...they should never be transferrable in my opinion, it just makes no sense in corporation terms...

I think a 'letter of recommendation' method could work to push a players lp up to faction level but other than that i can't agree on player to player lp transfer or lp tax. ('Player corp to npc corp: 'We're taking some of your trust in bob by way of tax. That's ok by you isn't it?'...

or you no, if your a real FW corp you have your tax rate set to 50% and have you members run missions for LP since you no LP in missions is WAY more isk than runing plexs. and wow look at that tons of isk.


TLDR: No, dont need another way for stupids leading masses to get rich.

I would suggest a change whereby a corp can register with a faction for faction war and on that basis gets a commission based on the LP earned by a capsuleer in that corp. This would be LP to the corp wallet for use buying Faction gear (which obviously can be sold or used as thr corp wishes).

LP should always remain between the corp and capsuleer in terms of the current system though. You could argue that the player should be making the donations to the corp voluntarily to repay the support given. They are after all Privateers serving a given faction whilst it suits them and many are known to switch factions depending on who gives the best LP at any given time.

And yes, someone will steal it, god willing.

Honestly, it would be nice if there was a 105% or a 101% payout for missions and player corporations got that 1% LP for having their members service a major faction.

It would give players an incentive to form their own corps in HS and possibly pull some players out of the NPC corp pool. In addition it could help fund fleet ops, fuel POS's, etc. And yes, someone will steal it, god willing.

Are you saying that there should be a set flat tax that players can not change? Also with the over 100% payout we'd see more disposable LP rather than keeping it the same.

On to your second point I agree that an LP tax would be a HUGE incentive for the high sec guys! Could also open up new doors for scammers... Could even aid those high sec gankers... recruit and awox

1. Flat Tax. No. What I'm looking at is this: LP pays out 100% to player. There is an additional (1%, .1%, whatever) that generates and goes into the corporate wallet. For NPC corps this will amount to no gain (there are no players able to take advantage of the corp wallet). For player corps; it gives incentive for people to come out of NPC corps and gives a way for corps to help fund ops, etc.

2. Being able to tax LP and Market transactions as a corp? Please no.