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Lubinski
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Posted - 2003.09.17 13:00:00 -
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Edited by: Lubinski on 17/09/2003 13:47:19
now in real life terms, how the hell does warp drive tech. work?
Do they push the atoms apart(moving them) and go in a hole. or do they do what? explain... i argued witha guy for hour about it. all in though it is theory.
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Einheriar Ulrich
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Posted - 2003.09.17 13:15:00 -
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A warpdrive, warps space around the vessel
That is, it creates a artificial gravity well, that bends space, just like a Sun, planet or moon does in space, thereby shortening the distance between punkt A. to B.
thats the very very simple way to explain it.
I suggets you read "A brief history of Time" by Stephen W. Hawking, its a bit popular book about space and physics in general, not to difficult to understand for a non-physicist.
So Say I. Einheriar Ulrich of the Bloodline of Einheriar.
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Psy Corp
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Posted - 2003.09.17 13:15:00 -
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if someone knew that dont you think we would be using them irl
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Jerrico Delen
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Posted - 2003.09.17 13:16:00 -
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I always work on the principle that its a game, and it doesn't have to work in real life.....
Like the models they used to build on Blue Peter, they never worked in real life, only on TV.
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Ellie
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Posted - 2003.09.17 13:21:00 -
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Well I haven't seen how they do it in Eve, but in Star Trek it works by bending space.
Black holes have event horizons around them. Once you pass into the event horizon there is no way out of it, The mass of the black hole is so great it bends the space around the black hole in on it self so there is no way out.
The warp drives supposedly do the same thing, they generate gravity fields to bend the space around the ship "warping" it so the ship can travel great distances.
Nothing can move faster then the speed of light but by mashing all the space together, you can effective go faster.
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Ebo Laah
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Posted - 2003.09.17 13:25:00 -
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Warp drive is a technically possible idea, but would require vast ammounts of energy to implement.
The only way to produce energy at the levels required is to react matter with anti-matter, and hereby lies the problem...
...to date, the total amount of anti-matter created by every sub-atomic scientist in the world, ever, could be held on the tip of your little finger - that is, for the fraction of a nano-second before it destroyed you and everything else around you.
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Sukkina Bohlsax
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Posted - 2003.09.17 13:29:00 -
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Edited by: Sukkina Bohlsax on 17/09/2003 13:29:58
Ebo go check yourself into some kind of clinic for the mentally deranged who are also addicted to *****.
Hey people this is a game, and Star Drek is a bad TV show. Please stop trying to figure out how things "work". They dont. Its fiction.
Im sexxxxxxxxxeeehhhhhh
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Daesdemona
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Posted - 2003.09.17 13:30:00 -
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please, you are not "bending space" you are "bending" the space-time continuum, a concept very important as you need to be aware of how time affects energy and matter when moving at certain speeds.
Oversimplification:
Immagine reucing our 3D space to a plain, with dimensions being distance and time. A wormhole bends that plain and creates a juncture between two points that are otherwise distant from each other in space AND time or just space, or just time, through this juncture travel beyond our 'real' physics is possible.
'Real' physics being defined by lightspeed, which is the fastest speed we can achieve in a non-altered environment.
One of the basic problems in defining warp travel and other singularity-like theories is that we are breaking various rules that apply to our perception, and for many that is a hard bond to break from.
One other is that we are basing theories on other theories on hypothesis that are proven based on concepts that we have yet to ascertain.
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Othnark
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Posted - 2003.09.17 13:33:00 -
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Edited by: Othnark on 17/09/2003 13:36:04
Hi all youre crazy!
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Sukkina Bohlsax
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Posted - 2003.09.17 13:33:00 -
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please, you are not "bending space" you are "bending" the space-time continuum, a concept very important as you need to be aware of how time affects energy and matter when moving at certain speeds.
Yes this is crucial. Keep this in mind at all times. Continuoum - bends. Spate - not bend. Otherwise, you might ram your head into the monitor by accident.
So good at what she does.... she got named after it.
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Sukkina Bohlsax
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Posted - 2003.09.17 13:33:00 -
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Edited by: Sukkina Bohlsax on 17/09/2003 13:37:05
Double post.
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cat stew
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Posted - 2003.09.17 13:43:00 -
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I suggets you read "A brief history of Time" by Stephen W. Hawking, its a bit popular book about space and physics in general, not to difficult to understand for a non-physicist.
I'de suggest you avoid reading anything by the "Pope of Science".
Don't believe any of that theoretical rubbish. What you're displaying is faith. People think Hawking must be right because what he says sounds clever.
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Ebo Laah
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Posted - 2003.09.17 13:43:00 -
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Aaah Suki Buti, it's wonderfull to see small minded people like yourself who really have no idea what they're talking about knocking people who do...
Perhaps the learning of your particle physics degree was somewhat limited by the fact that you can either sit down or talk, but not both together?
Anyone interested in the theories should check out 'American Scientist Vol. 82 (Space-Time Hypersurfing) or grab a copy of the periodical 'Classical and Quantum Gravity'.
One day we'll fly the universe, but for now Eve will have to do.
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Lubinski
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Posted - 2003.09.17 13:49:00 -
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Edited by: Lubinski on 17/09/2003 13:50:15
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Edited by: Sukkina Bohlsax on 17/09/2003 13:29:58
Ebo go check yourself into some kind of clinic for the mentally deranged who are also addicted to *****.
Hey people this is a game, and Star Drek is a bad TV show. Please stop trying to figure out how things "work". They dont. Its fiction.
Im sexxxxxxxxxeeehhhhhh
-SB
i just find it interesting. something to talk about when i was making 40 jumps. and i can figure out how things work if i want to. and i never watched star trek too much so i couldnt tell ya if it was bad. yes, this is a game but hey who said i cant talk about the stuff in it.
oh and all defense of the smart guy that posted that your calling a ***** head, $$##%^ off!
for all the rest of you good ideas. i was thinking of it as a plane (dimensions).
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PsXDnS
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Posted - 2003.09.17 13:51:00 -
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Well, using layman's terms: you use a rotating magnetic field to focus a narrow beam of gravitons. Those in turn, fold space/time, consistent with vail tensile dynamics, until the space/time curvature becomes infinitely large and produce a singularity. Now, the singularity...
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Lubinski
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Posted - 2003.09.17 13:53:00 -
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what is space made of, or what are you "bending or folding?"
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SW nomad21
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Posted - 2003.09.17 13:55:00 -
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i'm as up to speed on physics as any, but i recall reading somewhere back in beta that the warp tech in EVE consisted of the ship creating a bubble of negative friction, and using normal engines to move, gaining high speeds with the assist of the forward frictional force....
maybe i'm just dreaming, but i seem to remember that from somewhere
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DJvGalen
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Posted - 2003.09.17 13:56:00 -
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I wouldn't put too much trust in anything that is technically "explained" in Star Trek.
There are other SciFi shows that hired reallife technicians to help design their ships based on reality, unlike Star Trek.
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DawZ
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Posted - 2003.09.17 14:01:00 -
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 Have you ever speakin to women without having to give credit card numbers?!?
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Xperosis
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Posted - 2003.09.17 14:50:00 -
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oh here it comes again ... warp drive technology is more like bendind space fabric. when you bend it it creates a spike in the fourthdimensional world (think of a neutron star). what happens it that your ship uses electromagnetic fields to create a portal if you will. that portal is the spike that had reached the other destination. in fact you seem to think that the destination you are enetering is exact same world you just came form but not quite. it is more of a parralel world which is identical to your world you had just left but it is in fact different.
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Xperosis
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Posted - 2003.09.17 15:08:00 -
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what is space made of, or what are you "bending or folding?"
Lubinski, suppose space is not nothing but is something, something we cant see, feel, taste. it is something called Aether that suposedly inhabits the infinite emptiness of space. with it, light can travel, energy can be transfered. aether is the fabric of space in the fourth dimension. gravity is something that doesnt pull you, it pushes you. think of a duct particle that can only be sucked into a vacuum by air that carries it in the vacuum. same with aether, it goes through you to the center of a celestial body. you are a dust particle held down by aether pushing you down to the surface of the planet. so space is pretty much Aether only you cant see it. when we say we bend or fold space, we dont bend space but only its fabric. lets suppose you are 2dimensional and only freedoms you have are left-right-forward-backward. moving up-down would literally mean time travel to you because space in 2d is like a stack of thin sheets of paper. think of how animations work. so to us as 3d beings, moving in space means moving left-right-up-down-forward-backward. so lets refer to 2d example again. think of 2 paralel worlds as 2 sheets of paper. in order for you as a 2d being to travel to the next world or dimension you need to move up - a freedom you do not posses. so the only way is to make a tunnel. i.e. spike i had mentioned in my previous post. that spike can be generated until its magnitude reaches the other world. when it does you have a portal. all you have to do is go through it. think of destination A as a point on a rug that is 4 meter long. for a flea to travel to point B on the other end may take up weeks. so how do you make that trip faster? you fold the rug until point A and B meet together so the flea need to make one jump and be at point B. same thing with 3d world except to induce such a spike you need yo create your own gravitational field. it has to be so great it will generate a spike reaching to another 3d parralel world. you now have a portal. all you have to do is follow a shortcut. If you need more knowledge on the subject i suggest u read "Fourth Dimension" by Rudy Rucker.
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Khonsu
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Posted - 2003.09.17 15:18:00 -
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what is space made of, or what are you "bending or folding?"
It's made of cheese. Cheddar, to be precise.
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Data Loss
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Posted - 2003.09.17 15:19:00 -
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steven hawkings is GOD
thank you
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2003.09.17 15:23:00 -
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I can come up with three or four PLAUSIBLE explanations for how ships can warp through space, if you really want me to. Can't give you a TRUE reason, though, because there almost certainly isn't one, invocations of Stephen Hawking notwithstanding. The stuff that might, just, apparently, be possible if his theories and others turn out to be right, only applies to subatomic particles, not objects the size of a spaceship. (Yes, I know spaceships are made up from subatomic particles, but it doesn't work like that.)
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Daesdemona
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Posted - 2003.09.17 15:23:00 -
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Have you ever speakin to women without having to give credit card numbers?!?
YES, that interview ROCKS!!!!!
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fallus
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Posted - 2003.09.17 15:23:00 -
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Edited by: fallus on 17/09/2003 15:23:25
Xperosis: The Aether theory was debunked in the late 19th century by Michelson & Morley... I'd get a better book if I were you...
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Maximillion Eilerson
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Posted - 2003.09.17 15:26:00 -
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ALL WRONG
Warp drive is possible by saying .. engage. Thats it
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Daesdemona
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Posted - 2003.09.17 15:27:00 -
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what is space made of, or what are you "bending or folding?"
Once again, you are not bending space, you are bending a theoretical 2D plain with time and distance as the axis
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Gigi Ana
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Posted - 2003.09.17 15:27:00 -
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steven hawkings is GOD
thank you
I'd say more of a messiah, as he is one of the few people bright enough to explain theoretical concepts in terms people with less than a decade of education in math and physics can comprehend (although a decade of education still helps).
In short, he brings the "Word of Physics" to the masses very well.
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